World Bank wants Pakistan to accept ‘neutral expert’ in dam dispute

[Amalek]

Did you know by blocking Brahmaputra river China will not only make India angry but Bangladesh will also become China's enemy. Please check the flow of Brahmaputra river.

Brahmaputra is not very important in a India. Affects only 2 states, before that water flows to Bangladesh.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

China don't need to secure Pakistan water supply, they just need cut off all your water supply then you will surrender, and give Pakistan the water they need. Feel the pain of other people, then you can act widsomly.

Care to explain 'all your water supply'? Which Indian rivers are under 'Chinese Control'? Ganga and Yamuna both have origins and catchment areas in India, souther rivers, well forget them. Likes of Kosi actually flow from Nepal. You don't have the capability to do anything to them.

And lastly Brahmputra. Well go ahead, reduce the flow, we will reduce it further whatever flows into Bangladesh.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Besides Eastern India, is there any place China can block and divert water on Western side north of Kashmir?

 

[Soumitra]

Besides Eastern India, is there any place China can block and divert water on Western side north of Kashmir?

Khud kuch karne ka dum nahi hai, china china chillate ho.

And to answer your question - no they can't block anything except bhramaputra and even in that case we will not be affected but BD may go thirsty

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Khud kuch karne ka dum nahi hai, china china chillate ho.

And to answer your question - no they can't block anything except bhramaputra and even in that case we will not be affected but BD may go thirsty

I didn’t ask you or Modi.

 

[Rajesh Singh]

But so far as I see, you Indian guys is no better than others.

China don't need to secure Pakistan water supply, they just need cut off all your water supply then you will surrender, and give Pakistan the water they need. Feel the pain of other people, then you can act widsomly.

Try it....

Your fancy world does work that way.
If you try to cut water then it will little impact to India and it will dry Bangladesh.

What do you think that china can do a risk and dry Bangladesh? What would be world reactions.

Out from your fancy world, china can never try to do this adventure because of Pakistan

 

[LeGenD]

What we do or don't, inhouse, is our internal matter, for all the right or wrong reasons. On this instance, according to the IWT, its world Bank duty to intervine which they are not.

Anyone who cannot see the geopolitics at play here is an absolute fool.

World Bank brokered Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between Pakistan and India, and it advised Pakistan to construct Tarbela and Mangla dams to facilitate its agricultural production under the shadow of IWT.

The Indus Waters Treaty was established to enable exploitation of the basin’s economic potential for optimal benefit of India and Pakistan. By constructing new dams and irrigation canals, both countries were able to increase agricultural production in the Indus basin. The World Bank and other international agencies provided $870 million to Pakistan and $200 million to India to defray infrastructure costs. Other provisions of the treaty enabled the construction of two additional dams in Pakistan – Mangla and Tarbela – and created new link canals and barrages to develop and sustain agricultural activities in Pakistan, such as the canals that provide water to the Kalabagh desert.

Source: https://herald.dawn.com/news/1153544

World Bank also advised Pakistan to construct Kalabagh dam and was willing to finance its construction. However, Pakistan failed to capitalize on this opportunity because Sindh was/is not onboard.

Kalabagh Dam was initially recommended for construction by the World Bank consultants after Indus Water Treaty. The idea was to make the best use of the water resources of the three Western rivers allocated to Pakistan.

Source: https://dailytimes.com.pk/115455/dam-or-be-damned/

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Kishanganga project commenced in 2007 and Pakistan raised its objections to it in 2010.

Pakistani observers were sleeping earlier?

Pakistan presented its case against Kishanganga project in the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague in 2010 which supported Kishanganga project but advised amendments to it in order to alleviate concerns of Pakistan in 2013.

Why didn't Pakistan present its case to World Bank in the first place?

This was Pakistan's official reaction to ruling over Kishanganga project by PCA: https://tribune.com.pk/story/648754...n-kishenganga-dam-a-big-victory-for-pakistan/

At present, Pakistani objections to Kishanganga project are of technical nature for which India has proposed appointment of a NEUTRAL EXPERT to sort out the matter. Pakistan is now expecting World Bank to intervene in this matter but the latter has also advised Pakistan to consider a NEUTRAL EXPERT to sort out the matter.

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I do not see any evidence of World Bank colluding with India to deprive Pakistan of its water resources.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

World Bank brokered Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between Pakistan and India, and it advised Pakistan to construct Tarbela and Mangla dams to facilitate its agricultural production under the shadow of IWT.

The Indus Waters Treaty was established to enable exploitation of the basin’s economic potential for optimal benefit of India and Pakistan. By constructing new dams and irrigation canals, both countries were able to increase agricultural production in the Indus basin. The World Bank and other international agencies provided $870 million to Pakistan and $200 million to India to defray infrastructure costs. Other provisions of the treaty enabled the construction of two additional dams in Pakistan – Mangla and Tarbela – and created new link canals and barrages to develop and sustain agricultural activities in Pakistan, such as the canals that provide water to the Kalabagh desert.

Source: https://herald.dawn.com/news/1153544

World Bank also advised Pakistan to construct Kalabagh dam and was willing to finance its construction. However, Pakistan failed to capitalize on this opportunity because Sindh was/is not onboard.

Kalabagh Dam was initially recommended for construction by the World Bank consultants after Indus Water Treaty. The idea was to make the best use of the water resources of the three Western rivers allocated to Pakistan.

Source: https://dailytimes.com.pk/115455/dam-or-be-damned/

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Kishanganga project commenced in 2007 and Pakistan raised its objections to it in 2010.

Pakistani observers were sleeping earlier?

Pakistan presented its case against Kishanganga project in the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague in 2010 which supported Kishanganga project but advised amendments to it in order to alleviate concerns of Pakistan in 2013.

Why didn't Pakistan present its case to World Bank in the first place?

This was Pakistan's official reaction to ruling over Kishanganga project by PCA: https://tribune.com.pk/story/648754...n-kishenganga-dam-a-big-victory-for-pakistan/

At present, Pakistani objections to Kishanganga project are of technical nature for which India has proposed appointment of a NEUTRAL EXPERT to sort out the matter. Pakistan is now expecting World Bank to intervene in this matter but the latter has also advised Pakistan to consider a NEUTRAL EXPERT to sort out the matter.

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I do not see any evidence of World Bank colluding with India to deprive Pakistan of its water resources.

Bring other irrelevant issues in this debate is utter foolishness .

We are not debating kalabagh dam. IWT is NOT about what Pakistan should make within it own judiristrctions rather it give exclusive right to Pakistan on three rivers.

Pakistan did raise objection and world Bank put a "pause" on proceedings which tied Pakistan hands to purse the issue further while on the other hand it allowed India to carry on construction of the dam during that period of "pause".

The below article is written by someone who has been in mix of things. Not some average Joe like me and you. Enjoy . Hope it enlighten you rather being an apologist of forigen nations.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1412779/indus-treaty-in-jeopardy

The bank may well be perceived to be partisan; ranked seventh by voting power in World Bank institutions, India wields political influence in policy and decision-making with the US that ranks as number one. The bank must look beyond the personal associations of its staff, political alignments and its broader business interests to identify a solution to end the predicament lest it be remembered for this uncomfortable legacy.

The writer was legal counsel for the Pakistan government in the Kishenganga arbitration at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, The Hague.

 

[Soumitra]

Bring other irrelevant issues in this debate is utter foolishness .

We are not debating kalabagh dam. IWT is NOT about what Pakistan should make within it own judiristrctions rather it give exclusive right to Pakistan on three rivers.

Pakistan did raise objection and world Bank put a "pause" on proceedings which tied Pakistan hands to purse the issue further while on the other hand it allowed India to carry on construction of the dam during that period of "pause".

The below article is written by someone who has been in mix of things. Not some average Joe like me and you. Enjoy . Hope it enlighten you rather being an apologist of forigen nations.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1412779/indus-treaty-in-jeopardy

The bank may well be perceived to be partisan; ranked seventh by voting power in World Bank institutions, India wields political influence in policy and decision-making with the US that ranks as number one. The bank must look beyond the personal associations of its staff, political alignments and its broader business interests to identify a solution to end the predicament lest it be remembered for this uncomfortable legacy.

The writer was legal counsel for the Pakistan government in the Kishenganga arbitration at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, The Hague.

A legal counsel for a party to a case can hardly be called a neutral commentator

 

[waz]

But so far as I see, you Indian guys is no better than others.

China don't need to secure Pakistan water supply, they just need cut off all your water supply then you will surrender, and give Pakistan the water they need. Feel the pain of other people, then you can act widsomly.

Yep, also the destruction to the Gangees, which has a major tributary coming from the karnali, and the Arun (Tibet) and Sun rivers are both major tributaries of the later Koshi river. You also have the heart of Punjab's Sutlej will be even worse.

India is actually a lower riparian state.

But anyway India is not going down this course. The dams are run of the river types.

 

[LeGenD]

Bring other irrelevant issues in this debate is utter foolishness .

We are not debating kalabagh dam. IWT is NOT about what Pakistan should make within it own judiristrctions rather it give exclusive right to Pakistan on three rivers.

Pakistan did raise objection and world Bank put a "pause" on proceedings which tied Pakistan hands to purse the issue further while on the other hand it allowed India to carry on construction of the dam during that period of "pause".

The below article is written by someone who has been in mix of things. Not some average Joe like me and you. Enjoy . Hope it enlighten you rather being an apologist of forigen nations.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1412779/indus-treaty-in-jeopardy

The bank may well be perceived to be partisan; ranked seventh by voting power in World Bank institutions, India wields political influence in policy and decision-making with the US that ranks as number one. The bank must look beyond the personal associations of its staff, political alignments and its broader business interests to identify a solution to end the predicament lest it be remembered for this uncomfortable legacy.

The writer was legal counsel for the Pakistan government in the Kishenganga arbitration at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, The Hague.

I am sorry but none of that refute what I stated in my previous response. Instead of accusing me of being an apologist of foreign nations, try to comprehend what I said.

Go through this part:

Kishanganga project commenced in 2007 and Pakistan raised its objections to it in 2010.

Pakistani observers were sleeping earlier?

Pakistan presented its case against Kishanganga project in the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague in 2010 which supported Kishanganga project but advised amendments to it in order to alleviate concerns of Pakistan in 2013.

Why didn't Pakistan present its case to World Bank in the first place?

This was Pakistan's official reaction to ruling over Kishanganga project by PCA: https://tribune.com.pk/story/648754...n-kishenganga-dam-a-big-victory-for-pakistan/

At present, Pakistani objections to Kishanganga project are of technical nature for which India has proposed appointment of a NEUTRAL EXPERT to sort out the matter. Pakistan is now expecting World Bank to intervene in this matter but the latter has also advised Pakistan to consider a NEUTRAL EXPERT to sort out the matter.

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I do not see any evidence of World Bank colluding with India to deprive Pakistan of its water resources.

- and tell me what you failed to understand.

Want me to draw a timeline of events for you?

 

[Tom M]

India believes it will not get an answer for illegally cutting Pakistan’s water. They have forgotten that the same water flows from China into India and then to Pakistan. China can also divert that water to Pakistan. This will lead to drought in Indian Punjab and western states of India.

Always India is the villain trying many tricks, but always foiled by Pakistan and China in this game. Silly India

What a beautiful unrealistic day dream. LOL

 

[Panzerfaust 3]

A few missiles at the dam will stop all current and future constructions of dams

That's a very immature thing to say !
This will start a war and you have not considered Indian retaliation in your calculations!!!
It will not solve anything,better start building dams

I had predicted this even before Pakistan submitted its case to the WB. Pakistan will always find out the hard way.

There is absolutely no point in seeking help from the WB. We know who is pulling the strings here.

Just ask China to ramp up its dam projects. We know how to hurt India. India may block the flow of water, but others can do the same.

Read post#40
And seriously dude? China will block Indian River? You don't understand world politics!

But so far as I see, you Indian guys is no better than others.

China don't need to secure Pakistan water supply, they just need cut off all your water supply then you will surrender, and give Pakistan the water they need. Feel the pain of other people, then you can act widsomly.

Truth is that we are only taking our share ,and if there's a scarcity of water in Pakistan then it's their problem
And you can't expect us to leave our share!
Plus if you block Brahmaputra river it will hugely affect Bangladesh!!!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

What a beautiful unrealistic day dream. LOL

Indus and Sutlej originate in China and its tributaries can be blocked off.

Pakistan can use any and all means to secure our water resources. Including diversion, blockade via China, desalination plants, importing water. Building dams and nuclear power plants should resolve our electricity shortages.

With the Afghan war coming to a close, Kashmiri protests and reignited insurgency, along with a Chinese and Russian support, weakening West, divided India, Pakistan (along with China) is fully capable of sabotage and war if pushed in this direction.

 

[danger007]

World Bank, IMF , they are all American tools of war. It's clear from day one that world Bank is completely favoring India with America pulling the strings from behind.

Pakistan is wasting it's time with such machinisms where it will never get a favourable outcome. Start arming Kashmiri struggle properly and get on sabotaging such Indian projects.

What you guys did when US is on Pakistan side? Built anything..