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Mosque pray-ins against segregation of sexes are springing up

By William Wan and Michael Laris, Washington Post, 5/22/2010

Last Saturday, five women took off their shoes and walked across the padded carpet at the Dar al-Hijrah mosque, one of the Washington region's largest Islamic centers.

For weeks, they had planned for this moment, to stand behind the men in the main prayer hall of the Falls Church mosque as an act of protest. Usually, women at the mosque pray in segregated spaces away from the men, but these women, who came from outside the Dar al-Hijrah community, wanted to make a point.

It was the third time this year that the women had staged a protest at a Washington area mosque, and, as before, the conflict began almost immediately. By the end, angry words would be exchanged, the police called.

Such "pray-in" protests have sprung up in Muslim communities across the country in the past decade as women's rights advocates and feminist Muslims have agitated for more shared spaces in mosques. One of the women at the Dar Al-Hijrah event, author Asra Nomani, was even featured in a 2009 film documenting her protest at a mosque in Morgantown, W.Va.

The activists have compared their efforts to the civil rights struggle of the 1960s, but those who oppose them say the issue is not that simple. At mosques where such protests have taken place, for example, the longtime female attendees often are happy with the arrangement because praying in a segregated space allows them privacy and modesty. It is only protesters barging in from outside their communities who clamor for change, they say. The goal of protesters has also changed from city to city, with some trying to pray behind the men in the prayer hall, others wanting to pray side-by-side.

Such nuances were lost at Dar al-Hijrah as the clash between the protesters and the mosque's leaders eventually devolved into a heated argument.

When the women entered for the 5:10 p.m. prayer, scores of men were already lined up in long rows beneath a domed skylight facing Imam Shaker Elsayed, the leader of the Fairfax County mosque. The mosque's regular attendees told the women that they belonged upstairs on the balcony, behind a glass barrier, where women usually pray.

But Elsayed, recognizing the women from a community debate weeks earlier, instructed the men to stand down. "We have a group of sisters who want to make a point," he said. Elsayed welcomed the women to remain but asked them to stand at the very back of the room. He believes it is immodest for women to prostrate themselves before Allah in full view of men standing or walking behind them.

But protester Fatima Thompson challenged Elsayed. "Your interpretation of that Sunnah is incorrect," she called out, referring to a guide to Islamic practice. The two continued sparring over sacred texts until Elsayed pulled back. "This is no time for argumentation. Let us go for the prayer," he told the room, but added this declaration: "This is your last visit to this place, Fatima. This is your last visit to this place." He later worked with police on paperwork to ban their return.

Thompson, of Owings Mills, said the idea for the protests came after she was directed behind a tall barrier this year at the Islamic Center of Washington and felt cut off from the life of the congregation. In February and March, the group staged protests at the District mosque and was told the protests were not welcome.

"I don't understand why they cannot just talk," said Fatima Goodwin, an administrator at the Islamic Center of Washington. "They don't even pray here regularly, and they come in here to tell us what to do. Anybody is welcome to pray with us, but they have to respect our rules and tradition."

"The sisters are not helping us," said a regular female attendee at Dar al-Hijrah who declined to give her name because she did not want to be publicly involved in the debate. "It's better we have our own room upstairs, our own freedom, you know what I mean?"

The protesters normally worship at other local mosques -- the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, Dar us-Salaam in College Park and Dar al-Taqwa in Ellicott City -- which also segregate women from men for prayer.

Thompson said she went on a mission in February to "probe" Dar al-Hijrah as a protest target. She had a hidden digital recorder and asked women there about their views on being segregated to a balcony. She said she did not tell them that she was recording their comments.

"They pretty much were like: 'This is the way it is. We'll keep going with it,' " Thompson said. She talked to about a dozen women. Some were "actively" pro-segregation, Thompson said. "None of them said it should change," she said. But the group thinks such women have been brainwashed to some degree to accept a subservient or inferior position.

These conflicting views, Muslim leaders say, result from the interplay between Muslim tradition and American values.

"As the Muslim community in America has developed over the years, it's organized itself on the democratic basis of this country," said Sayyid Syeed, national director of the Islamic Society of North America.

Mosques now pick a governing board through elections, he said, and mosque leadership increasingly includes women from the community. The president of ISNA is a woman, Syeed said. "The democratization of our community is one of our biggest achievements in America, but because of that, you now see communities heading in different directions with different trends."

And there are conflicting values and allegiances even among the protest organizers. Many belong to a larger group called Muslims for Progressive Values but recently decided to keep the women in the mosque movement separate from the progressive Muslim group, which includes gay Muslims, lest they alienate people who may not support one cause or the other.

At the protest last Saturday, there was a tense scuffle when three men approached a protester videotaping the scene. After the prayers, a member of the mosque called Fairfax police, who asked the women to leave.

How much such protests accomplish is hard to measure. Female activists in other cities say it has led to more women-friendly mosques. In some cities like-minded women and Muslims have established services of their own in which they can worship however they want. Critics, however, say that the Muslim community has been moving to address such issues and that the women are picking fights for theater and are more interested in conflict than dialogue.

"People keep saying, why can't you do it in a civil way?" Thompson said. "But as long as they're comfortable, they're not going to do anything. Because of what we're doing, you can be sure it's being discussed in the community. We want them to wonder if we'll go to their mosque next, if what they're doing is right or wrong. I already have a mosque in mind for our next pray-in. We're not going to stop."

Mosque pray-ins against segregation of sexes are springing up
 
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Muslims aren't permitted to bring in worldly affairs in a Mosque which is a place of worship, not protests! BTW, i don't see anything wrong with segregation in Mosques! The men in a Mosque have no problem being segregated praying together with other men! I don't see why the women should!

But Elsayed, recognizing the women from a community debate weeks earlier, instructed the men to stand down. "We have a group of sisters who want to make a point," he said. Elsayed welcomed the women to remain but asked them to stand at the very back of the room. He believes it is immodest for women to prostrate themselves before Allah in full view of men standing or walking behind them.

But protester Fatima Thompson challenged Elsayed. "Your interpretation of that Sunnah is incorrect," she called out, referring to a guide to Islamic practice.

Ok, now this is makes no sense, which Sunnah is she talking about? Does she want guys to focus on her behind while praying or does she want them to focus on Allah during prayer?

The activists have compared their efforts to the civil rights struggle of the 1960s, but those who oppose them say the issue is not that simple. At mosques where such protests have taken place, for example, the longtime female attendees often are happy with the arrangement because praying in a segregated space allows them privacy and modesty. It is only protesters barging in from outside their communities who clamor for change,

I wonder who these "outsiders" are?

The goal of protesters has also changed from city to city, with some trying to pray behind the men in the prayer hall, others wanting to pray side-by-side.

Ok, that's going to far! i don't see what the problem is with praying in a segregated room?

I don't get it, are they going to the Mosque to worship Allah or are they going to the Mosque to get the men's attention?
 
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How does that even make sense? These women are nothing short of insane. It is hardly segregation. They are not getting second class services. How about take a poll from mosque going people what they would rather have and I would bet you anything 95+% would prefer it the way it is.
 
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How does that even make sense? These women are nothing short of insane. It is hardly segregation. They are not getting second class services. How about take a poll from mosque going people what they would rather have and I would bet you anything 95+% would prefer it the way it is.

i have a feeling that one day they would even want a female Imam, or even go to Mosque in revealing clothes :disagree::tdown:
 
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How does that even make sense? These women are nothing short of insane.

These Muslim women are American women. American women can't stand not being allowed to play whatever games that boys play. And if they can't succeed on their own merits, they invoke civil rights arguments and get some Judge to force the boys to let them play. I don't think any all-male colleges are left in the USA. All have been forced to accept women.
 
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I don't understand these women. How is this segregation? They are given separate rooms for their privacy. And secondly how will they feel praying in the presence of males? Highly uncomfortable experience. It's not like that they are not allowed in mosques. So what's their point?
 
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I think America is the only place left where some intellectual discussion on Islam among Muslims is taking place. Muslim there are question some established beliefs and engage in debate.

If these women had done it in Pakistan, you know what would have happened.
 
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These Muslim women are American women. American women can't stand not being allowed to play whatever games that boys play. And if they can't succeed on their own merits, they invoke civil rights arguments and get some Judge to force the boys to let them play. I don't think any all-male colleges are left in the USA. All have been forced to accept women.

Games, what games? i though Mosques were a place of worship?
 
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I don't understand these women. How is this segregation? They are given separate rooms for their privacy. And secondly how will they feel praying in the presence of males? Highly uncomfortable experience. It's not like that they are not allowed in mosques. So what's their point?

exactly what i'm wondering! This is just another one of those articles making Islam look bad and oppressive, this article holds no water!
 
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What would be wrong with a female Imam?

And why should women and men not pray together in Mosques?
After women and men pray together during Hajj.

Well, during hajj you don't have women bending down in front of your face!
 
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^^^I don't see how this is a valid argument for seperation of men and women during prayer. Men's behinds are in your face during prayer.

You can counter by saying that dirty thoughts may come to mind if a woman is bending in front of you, but then the counter would be distasteful thoughts could come to mind if a man is bending infront of you.

Plus women are not allowed to pray during their special time of month, so I do not see why we cannot allow them to pray shoulder to shoulder with men.

And you did not answer my question of what would be wrong with a female Imam? How long are we going to live in the stone age?
 
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These ladies are either follow some agenda or they are completely insane or ignorant of Islamic teachings at all.

The first thing is, if a women goes to mosque for praying regularly its a good sign and shows great concern for her religion and Allah.

When she is so religious then it should be in her knowledge that in Islam it is not allowed to come in front or go casual with those men who are not in their blood relations or who don't have any immediate relationship with them like Father-daughter, or sister brother.And it is taught by Islam that both the sexes should pray in mosque but separately.

Then how can they deny the same God towards whom they show great faith !!!!!!!

This is just like saying that I want to Worship You God but on my own terms !!!


These two things intersect with each other which simply means that they are fake, or possibly just the human right activists who have nothing to do with prayers and are just taking it just as a stunt to get Islam parallel inline with their own preferred agenda.

How can some one follow and then not agree with the one he follows at the same time ????

How can one stand in support and opposition of the same thing at the same time.
 
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Plus women are not allowed to pray during their special time of month, so I do not see why we cannot allow them to pray shoulder to shoulder with men.

And you did not answer my question of what would be wrong with a female Imam? How long are we going to live in the stone age?

Imam is not a product of some jet, car or software manufacturing firm where you need a new tech to throw away the old male Imam.


Just as the great saying of our language goes
Neem Hakeem Khatra-e-jaan
Which means, Half doctor is a threat for life.


Before you make your opinion of something please read about it or try to search, you know stone age has gone long back and you can simply find information by just googling it.

It is prohibited, only a Male can be imam in musjid and which imam told u that the issue with men and women praying togather is all about bending down !! its stupid, how can u see the person in front of u bending down when you yourself are bending down while looking down at the very same moment !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF you are reffering to Silent ninja's comment about bending down then get out of stone age and realise that it is just his personal opinion and you are not supposed to take it as part of Sunnah or Fatwa.
 
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