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Without the White Race world would have been permanently stuck at 1750 AD...Thoughts?

There's no Khazar component detected in Ashkenazis in DNA studies. @Salahuddin Ayyubi

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The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish population derives its ancestry from a combination of sources tracing to both Europe and the Middle East. It has been claimed, however, through a reanalysis of some of our data, that a large part of the ancestry of the Ashkenazi population originates with the Khazars, a Turkic-speaking group that lived to the north of the Caucasus region ∼1,000 years ago.

Because the Khazar population has left no obvious modern descendants that could enable a clear test for a contribution to Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, the Khazar hypothesis has been difficult to examine using genetics. Furthermore, because only limited genetic data have been available from the Caucasus region, and because these data have been concentrated in populations that are genetically close to populations from the Middle East, the attribution of any signal of Ashkenazi-Caucasus genetic similarity to Khazar ancestry rather than shared ancestral Middle Eastern ancestry has been problematic. Here, through the integration of genotypes from newly collected samples with data from several of our past studies, we have assembled the largest data set available to date for assessment of Ashkenazi Jewish genetic origins.

This data set contains genome-wide single-nucleotide polymorphisms in 1,774 samples from 106 Jewish and non-Jewish populations that span the possible regions of potential Ashkenazi ancestry: Europe, the Middle East, and the region historically associated with the Khazar Khaganate. The data set includes 261 samples from 15 populations from the Caucasus region and the region directly to its north, samples that have not previously been included alongside Ashkenazi Jewish samples in genomic studies. Employing a variety of standard techniques for the analysis of population-genetic structure, we found that Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations and, among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East.

No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews to populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region.
 
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Great to see you back with these quirky threads.

If the Whites hadn't started what they did in the 18th century, what we witness everyday and take for granted would have been delayed by atleast a 1000-2000 years.

Also, I think there is something that has been hushed up from the majority of the world population. I wonder whether all the different races of humans that we see might actually be different species of humans. All the species might have been clubbed under Homo Sapiens is what I sometimes think. There are obvious reasons as to why this might not be revealed to the general masses. Basically, the Homo Erectus never went extinct...

I know what I said will not be taken kindly by anyone, but that's just a hypothesis.

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 @padamchen @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @jamahir @Naofumi @MayaBazar What do you think? Will be interesting to hear your opinions on this. If it goes into too much detail, we'll have to open a new thread.

Nah there is too much blind worship of a race (for simply being a "race") in this thread for my liking to interact in any worthy way.

Their achievements are not given any proper context...and none given for the others...from what I have briefly skipped through.

A worthless thread in the end.

I hate any notion of inherent exceptionalism....because cretins of all stripes can simply latch onto it first and then fit every pseudoscience approach they want to it. Whereas less well read people that have much better sense of fair play and morality are dismissed with ridicule or contempt.....simply because they havent read enough waffle to counter each pseudoscience fallacy pushed.

Seriously screw all these people that did that in this thread. You know who you are.

Like where do you get this 1000 - 2000 or whatever model number that the "world would have been stuck in"? Why not 5000 years or something even grander!

Simply fabricate a number to suit your feelings its fine.

Those white people butchered and burned and starved in the 30 years war (if you know one iota of context for that w.r.t european exceptionalism) say very differently on the matter.

Or what the white people did to the jews in the 19th and then 20th centuries. Very enlightened, very advanced, very....scientific.

Take yer "I wonder if all the races we see are actually different species of humans" and shove it. Last place I heard that was a neo-nazi group I was observing.

Wow...I am just (now as I type this) actually reading your post past your tagging and you seem in on this crap. Sad.

Oh its just a "hypothesis"....that makes it all so much better and nicer then. A hypothesis is what you make first, not after the science is already out, for you to read...but you either dont want to or just too lazy to....but rather make some pseudoscience "hypothesis" from some potpourri you gathered on the inter-dweeb-webz.

I will have no part in this discussion.
 
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Adversity and cold weather forced them to evolve. Also there are lots of brilliant minds everywhere. White people beat rest of world to it and it they get credit for that. Nowadays rest of world is catching up and especially China is going to surpass them in some ways.

If you really emphasize education/performance you will get results. So it's about the culture too. You don't have to be white. You need numbers too. China has numbers and is catching up to them rapidly.

I don't think it is about race or ethnicity , however white people have instilled this culture longer than others so that explains that other cultures need to emphasize education and performance more if they want to compete with white nations as a whole.

You need to understand the US and EU are not small nations. US is a large nation with lots of immigrant talent and EU is a bloc of nations. Cooperation helps in this regard as well.
 
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20th century nationalist Buddhism born out of anti colonialism and the Buddhist philosophy the Buddha preached are vastly different
That is true for every single religion.
The core is peaceful but then the crazies take over and make it violent.
 
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If you really emphasize education/performance you will get results. So it's about the culture too. You don't have to be white. You need numbers too. China has numbers and is catching up to them rapidly.
Actually, Chinese history shows they emphasized education even in their earlier dynasties, its not a recent thing.
 
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Euclidean geometry. Parabolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry. Projective geometry. Differential geometry. Calculus: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration. Physical chemistry. Organic chemistry. Biochemistry. Classical mechanics. The indeterminacy principle. The wave equation. The Parthenon. The Anabasis. Air conditioning. Number theory. Romanesque architecture. Gothic architecture. Information theory. Entropy. Enthalpy. Every symphony ever written. Pierre Auguste Renoir. The twelve-tone scale. The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that. S-p hybrid bonding orbitals. The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom. The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder. Single-sideband radio. All other radio. Dentistry. The internal-combustion engine. Turbojets. Turbofans. Doppler beam-sharpening. Penicillin. Airplanes. Surgery. The mammogram. The Pill. The condom. Polio vaccine. The integrated circuit. The computer. Football. Computational fluid dynamics. Tensors. The Constitution. Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod. Glass. Rubber. Nylon. Roads. Buildings. Elvis. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. (OK, that’s nerve gas, and maybe we didn’t really need it.) Silicone. The automobile. Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes.. Bug spray. Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography, and RSA. Et cetera. S-Trap, modern pumping stations and sewage systems

mate try to check what you post before copy pasting

regards

innovation is the path which carries on no matter what race caste or religion, the arabs would be boasting of their arab race back in 1000 AD when they were the hub of major innovations, when the so called white race didn't even know how to keep clean and tidy, wash hands etc? as archaeologcal discoveries show that the crusaders (white race) died of stomach diseases because they had the habit of not washing hands after cleaning their stool, when the arabs were using bath houses, soaps and what not?

lets talk about cleaning stool, an age old method of water rinsing has still not caught up with ''white race'' and only just recently getting used to bidet, the white race doesnt thank chinese enough for inventing their tolet papers. so if not for the chinese, the white race would be cleaning their bum using rags.

the guy brings up homer etc etc, who reads homer in the east, nobody even knew homer until the ''white race'' came along and educating people on homer. Didn't the same greeks and romans called the so called ''white race'' as barbarians and savages?

regards

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even before the industrial revolution, the historians debate on the proto industrialization, please try to read up on it, the basic commodity on the colonial period or industrial revolution were not locomotives, cars, buses, trains etc, but sugar industry, cotton/textile industry, spice trade etc, guess who made sugar industry (indians and later arabs), textile industry (indians, chinese), spice trade and indian ocean trade (indians and later arabs).

The europeans did bring mechanization and hence industrial revolution, but its not like mechanization was completely unknown, i would suggest people on reading the automatons and various other mechanical devices which had been already invented by the arabs, persians, indians, chinese, indian texts as early as kalidasa talk about water sprinklers for the gardens, etc.

Are you telling me that the high advanced white race didn't know to pack gunpowder into metal cases like tipu sultan and produce the earliest metal cased rocket in the world history, please think about what version of history you are learning.

regards
 
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mate try to check what you post before copy pasting

regards

innovation is the path which carries on no matter what race caste or religion, the arabs would be boasting of their arab race back in 1000 AD when they were the hub of major innovations, when the so called white race didn't even know how to keep clean and tidy, wash hands etc? as archaeologcal discoveries show that the crusaders (white race) died of stomach diseases because they had the habit of not washing hands after cleaning their stool, when the arabs were using bath houses, soaps and what not?

lets talk about cleaning stool, an age old method of water rinsing has still not caught up with ''white race'' and only just recently getting used to bidet, the white race doesnt thank chinese enough for inventing their tolet papers. so if not for the chinese, the white race would be cleaning their bum using rags.

the guy brings up homer etc etc, who reads homer in the east, nobody even knew homer until the ''white race'' came along and educating people on homer. Didn't the same greeks and romans called the so called ''white race'' as barbarians and savages?

regards

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even before the industrial revolution, the historians debate on the proto industrialization, please try to read up on it, the basic commodity on the colonial period or industrial revolution were not locomotives, cars, buses, trains etc, but sugar industry, cotton/textile industry, spice trade etc, guess who made sugar industry (indians and later arabs), textile industry (indians, chinese), spice indian ocean trade (indians).

The europeans did bring mechanization and hence industrial revolution, but its not like mechanization was completely unknown, i would suggest people on reading the automatons and various other mechanical devices which had been already invented by the arabs, persians, indians, chinese, indian texts as early as kalidasa talk about water sprinklers for the gardens, etc.

Are you telling me that the high advanced white race didn't know to pack gunpowder into metal cases like tipu sultan and produce the earliest metal cased rocket in the world history, please think about what version of history you are learning.

regards

Roman numerals?....that's the best these guys could come up with on their own?

Lets add MMMCDXII and IXDXXXIII...LMAO. Passed it? Now multiply them :rofl::rofl:

Heck Chinese did way better....even the Mayans did.

Forget comparing the system used by everyone today.

But massive exceptionalismsmsmsmsms supremacismsmsmsms. Got to filter out everything that doesnt fit....rather than actually ask why and try actually study it all.

Everyone wants cheap answers, because they are cheap people with cheap brains.
 
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Perhaps you have mistaken me for an Indian. I can assure you that I am Pakistani. But I am somewhat obsessed with my country and would very much like it to do better. So how about instead of giving me lame, internet warrior type reply you give me an actual reply on what Pakistan has achieved.

honestly nothing!
 
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Roman numerals?....that's the best these guys could come up with on their own?

Lets add MMMCDXII and IXDXXXIII...LMAO. Passed it? Now multiply them :rofl::rofl:

yup try imagining super computers doing ''computation'' using roman and greek numerals. the so called white race heavily borrowed from others, for instance an arab scholar talking about the byzantines boasting of their greek heritage states that ''white'' race borrows everything for the chinese, indians, persians etc and then boasts about his greek ancestors, and feels comfort in making silk clothes and learning all the foreign innovation arts and skills.

If you go to wikipedia page on diamond cut, it is boasted that diamond cutting was invented by the europeans, while learning history indepth one comes across citations which place the innovation way before the europeans, these people have a habit of making tall claims, copy pastng and then declaring other's innovation as theirs.

there is an entire path which lead to industrial revolution and the path certainly didn't begin with the white race.

regards
 
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The most influential publication of the Enlightenment was the Encyclopédie (Encyclopaedia). Published between 1751 and 1772 in thirty-five volumes, it was compiled by Diderot, d'Alembert (until 1759) and a team of 150 scientists and philosophers. It helped spread the ideas of the Enlightenment across Europe and beyond.[14]

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All other races and civilizations had run of out of steam by that point..Whites reinvigorated whole of Humanity with their innovative brave thinking that broke off the shackles of religious authority...Without the White race we would have seen an enactment of the Bronze Age Collapse post 1750 AD

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this less than 0.1 % achievement of the White Race below:

Euclidean geometry. Parabolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry. Projective geometry. Differential geometry. Calculus: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration. Physical chemistry. Organic chemistry. Biochemistry. Classical mechanics. The indeterminacy principle. The wave equation. The Parthenon. The Anabasis. Air conditioning. Number theory. Romanesque architecture. Gothic architecture. Information theory. Entropy. Enthalpy. Every symphony ever written. Pierre Auguste Renoir. The twelve-tone scale. The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that. S-p hybrid bonding orbitals. The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom. The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder. Single-sideband radio. All other radio. Dentistry. The internal-combustion engine. Turbojets. Turbofans. Doppler beam-sharpening. Penicillin. Airplanes. Surgery. The mammogram. The Pill. The condom. Polio vaccine. The integrated circuit. The computer. Football. Computational fluid dynamics. Tensors. The Constitution. Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod. Glass. Rubber. Nylon. Roads. Buildings. Elvis. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. (OK, that’s nerve gas, and maybe we didn’t really need it.) Silicone. The automobile. Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes.. Bug spray. Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography, and RSA. Et cetera. S-Trap, modern pumping stations and sewage systems

Interesting subject my father and I were debating something similar awhile back as to why white people despite suffering a great deal have not only survived but thrived. They had numerous wars among themselves which killed off millions including ww1, ww2, communism in Russia, black plague, Spanish flu etc.

Today they have functioning nation states despite this, why ?. Well my father who is a religious man think it due to their commitment to social justice among themselves. Imam Ali r.a. said a man who does one day of justice is the equivalent of I think 70.000 years of worship. In other words justice is paramount and the foundations of which a nation is built.

Many nation yours, ours, other developing nations do not commit themselves to social justice hence never become function nation states. My father's opinion is interesting but I also find the " crab mentality " as some psychologist call it very interesting and applicable to nations such as ours.
 
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LOL! Braving to reply in this thread by using an off-the-wall comment eh?

Well I did just want to stick my tippy toes into the water on this heavy subject.

But my previous comment was in fact true. The very first vampire was of light complexion and Possessed immense power.
 
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Great! And hopefully it will start benefiting our country soon.

I do not understand what you are trying to say with your 2nd statement.

It means you stop being fair to Pakistan for the sake of idealism.

last anyone invented anything from ourlands to arabia was few 100 centuries ago , this was a very long time before industrialization. Unfortunately a mind set has been developed of blaming others for loses and it just keeps on evolving and all we see is our people using the whitemen techs blaming them … lets start with us before moving to ummah ka chuma .. what have we invented besides a Charpai ??

China has been the nearest example of mass application of science in the region not the poor white man who came looking for spices.
 
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Europeans have had a phenomenal run for the past few centuries.
Other civilisations may have been leading before them, but scientific research was not a strong suit of any civilisation before them.
Ancient Europeans, Chinese, Egyptians, Indians, Arabs, everyone sucked at scientific exploration.

The modern scientific aptitude is fairly recent. We have now developed reliable methods to test our hypotheses /ideas. In older times, most inventions were based on 'chance ' and pure luck. Modern Europeans have put into place the infrastructure, financial backing and a reward system for their scientific community, industry, etc.


In non European countries, science (and indeed education) , is still not granted the prime role it should have. These countries (say India ) spend money and resources mainly on culture preservation, basic infrastructure, survival, etc. People in leadership positions in Indian universities tend to be extremely low on the scale of intelligence, skill, real achievements and honesty towards their profession.
(P. S. - we have done reasonably well in space research.)

There are some non European countries that are beginning to rise in the scientific arena, now. China being a prominent one.
Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Turkey are doing well, too.
Europeans have had a phenomenal run for the past few centuries.
Other civilisations may have been leading before them, but scientific research was not a strong suit of any civilisation before them.
Ancient Europeans, Chinese, Egyptians, Indians, Arabs, everyone sucked at scientific exploration.

The modern scientific aptitude is fairly recent. We have now developed reliable methods to test our hypotheses /ideas. In older times, most inventions were based on 'chance ' and pure luck. Modern Europeans have put into place the infrastructure, financial backing and a reward system for their scientific community, industry, etc.


In non European countries, science (and indeed education) , is still not granted the prime role it should have. These countries (say India ) spend money and resources mainly on culture preservation, basic infrastructure, survival, etc. People in leadership positions in Indian universities tend to be extremely low on the scale of intelligence, skill, real achievements and honesty towards their profession.
(P. S. - we have done reasonably well in space research.)

There are some non European countries that are beginning to rise in the scientific arena, now. China being a prominent one.
Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Turkey are doing well, too.
The Israel ,Turkey are nowhere near the league of Japan and and south korea. Taiwan is just like another city of china.

Explain Newton and Leibniz then...Whites gained the edge from 1589 AD to 1750 AD....and then just jumped on rest of the world...colonizing Americas was not that big of a think once they had caravek ships that cross oceans and sail against the wind...the only other race that achieved that were Polynesians
Colonizing the Americas,Australia,africa was no big deal for the chinese which had the largest maritime fleet and technology centuries before the European nation.

While both China and Europe remained steeped in societal turmoil, China went on to make three well-known important discoveries: woodblock print and paper, the magnetic compass and gunpowder—all of which facilitated Western Europe’s transformation from the "Medieval period" to the "modern world" as noted by Francis Bacon in 1620:"These three have changed the whole face and state of things throughout the world; the first in literature, the second in warfare, the third in navigation; whence have followed innumerable changes, in so much that no empire, no sect, no star seems to have exerted greater power and influence in human affairs than these mechanical discoveries".
As these scientific and technological innovations were incorporated into European society, Europeans began to attain hegemony over a vast expanse of the world.
After that,in Europe, the old social and intellectual orders were being transformed.
The new world of the sixteenth century saw a surge of economic energy, the rapid expansion of trade, and the acceleration toward the rise of capitalism. Strict allegiance to the Vatican and its canons were challenged, and the social upheaval that had begun to brew, at least in Germany.As a result of the Reformation’s emphasis on one’s ability to access truth individually without the interference of religious authorities, at least in Protestant countries, the Scientific Revolution began in europe.
Europe experience two such phase of stimulus for scientific growth .

In both eastern and western civilization a brief phase of reformation occurs based on socio-economic-cultural factored stimuli which spur innovation and science ,china experience such a phase before the reformation movement,and renaissance phase of Europe.Such a phase occurred in china in the 6th BCE when Daoism was at its zenith. Daoism was associated with early science because it attempts to understand nature from an intuitive and observational perspective and was especially innovative in chemistry and astronomy.
It was a very different era, Eastern society in general was taught to respect nature, to leave it alone and to accept its consequences.

Europe just found itself in the middle of such a phase by 17th century .Europe’s step toward modernization aided by the pursuit of economic gain, which led to the rise of modern capitalism.In ancient China , “wealth held no prestige, affluence, or “spiritual power.” “It could give comfort, but not wisdom” and “the one idea of every merchant’s son was to become a scholar, to enter the imperial examination and to rise high in the bureaucracy,” not to accumulate more wealth.
The West attached monetary gain to science.

We will never know how East would have developed modern science when the right intellectual and economic conditions combined and a mercantile system fully realized. The western intervention prevented that phase,so we will never know how much.


Science could have developed just differently in east ,for china didn't initially interpret science in the same modulus as west, where,West's interpretation of Pythagoras theorm was a2 +b2=c2,meanwhile Eastern scholars interpreted it as
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Same thing but different methodology,so you shouldn't really ask me to explain the discoveries of Newton & Leibniz.

But one must also acknowledge that by mid 19th century, there were lots of scientific innovations that occurred in EAST.
The west also stagnated the development of science and technology significantly in their attempt to monopolize the most advanced technology and prevent indigenous development in many parts of the world where it would've treated the Western establishment's profit margin.

We wouldn't know if the West hadn't hijacked the world order ,how science and technology would have eventually developed. The east are surely more interested in the wellbeing of entire mankind and science would have been
possibly more collaborative and less monopolized;which seriously hinders scientific development now.

And currently East asia dominates in scientific research and science output among all continents,even in the west dominated world order.
Only US leads from china,and there is Japan,korea,and small nations like Singapore is also chipping in.

So,who knows? When one presumes white men is responsible for the advancement of science and development based on 2 centuries, when in the long run,it might have been the white race that has actually set back the human civilization by tens of thousands of years ,not just decades or centuries,through their insatiable greed, belligerence & ignorance?
Human civilization wouldn't have stayed in the feudal system, human civilization is not about a century but millions of years are still ahead,and the world order and policies that the white race has championed might have set the world on peril.
By now,White race has been the biggest threat to humanity on earth.
Claiming the world would have been stuck in 17th century without white race only shows delusion and overestimation of white race.
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Explain Leibniz then...
Oh and regarding Leibniz, his approach to writing in binary code made direct references to the hexagrams and cosmological ideas found in the 9th-century manual, the I Ching.

Leibniz’s researched Eastern philosophy extended to earlier periods of thought, and he wrote extensively about the 9th-century divination manual, the I Ching. The manual, attributed to Fu Xi, was first assembled during China’s Western Zhou period .
 
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Nah there is too much blind worship of a race (for simply being a "race") in this thread for my liking to interact in any worthy way.

Their achievements are not given any proper context...and none given for the others...from what I have briefly skipped through.

A worthless thread in the end.

I hate any notion of inherent exceptionalism....because cretins of all stripes can simply latch onto it first and then fit every pseudoscience approach they want to it. Whereas less well read people that have much better sense of fair play and morality are dismissed with ridicule or contempt.....simply because they havent read enough waffle to counter each pseudoscience fallacy pushed.

Seriously screw all these people that did that in this thread. You know who you are.

Like where do you get this 1000 - 2000 or whatever model number that the "world would have been stuck in"? Why not 5000 years or something even grander!

Simply fabricate a number to suit your feelings its fine.

Those white people butchered and burned and starved in the 30 years war (if you know one iota of context for that w.r.t european exceptionalism) say very differently on the matter.

Or what the white people did to the jews in the 19th and then 20th centuries. Very enlightened, very advanced, very....scientific.

Take yer "I wonder if all the races we see are actually different species of humans" and shove it. Last place I heard that was a neo-nazi group I was observing.

Wow...I am just (now as I type this) actually reading your post past your tagging and you seem in on this crap. Sad.

Oh its just a "hypothesis"....that makes it all so much better and nicer then. A hypothesis is what you make first, not after the science is already out, for you to read...but you either dont want to or just too lazy to....but rather make some pseudoscience "hypothesis" from some potpourri you gathered on the inter-dweeb-webz.

I will have no part in this discussion.
I guess I shouldn't have written what I wrote. But hey, sometimes we all write senseless things. Thanks for explaining in detail.
 
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