Will separating the North East be better for everyone?

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@Abotani my people did't had any conections with chinese/Tibet in past or in present ! even.if ur arunachali how do u refer urself as from southtibet ? ? i hv never heard any arunachali saying dat ! and u are saying of joining china ... we are atlest geting to keep our identity, language and culture here in india do u relly think same will be granted for us in.china .. U better do some research ... any way i feel ur not from.arunachal and u may know there are 26 major tribe and more then hunderd sub-tribes so Galo don't make decision for us and nobody care what u people from pasighat thinks or do keep ur thought to urself and don't try to represent arunachalis we know whats best for us ... if ur so wilingly to join china jst get ur *** out of india's land !!!

 

[Abotani]

stereotyping and racism are two very different things I hope you realize that every single region has stereotype of other region in India, there is one saying in my native state that after every 4 miles we have different language and different taste of water. I think same is true more or less for every state of India and I think specially for Arunachal whatever i have heard from my arunachali friends. Anyway if you think you are more close to china then I hope you get some job in china only as arunachal's destiny lies with India only

Umm..stereotyping is a part of racism.I was being very generous.The kind of stuff you mainlanders call each other when discussing with us is horrible.There are a lot of mainlanders here.And they prefer to backstab each other and even prefer us,who have nothing to do with them,than others of different groups.Southies are called 'kaalus,madrassi" etc etc while southies do the same.The sardar are ridiculed bu others and called as idiots as well as jaats..and so on and on and on.

 

[NDLS]

Umm..stereotyping is a part of racism.I was being very generous.The kind of stuff you mainlanders call each other when discussing with us is horrible.There are a lot of mainlanders here.And they prefer to backstab each other and even prefer us,who have nothing to do with them,than others of different groups.Southies are called 'kaalus,madrassi" etc etc while southies do the same.The sardar are ridiculed bu others and called as idiots as well as jaats..and so on and on and on.

we have differences but at the end of the day we are indians and we love each other... what kind of person r u, u just said u wanna join china... shame on u

 

[SrNair]

Umm..stereotyping is a part of racism.I was being very generous.The kind of stuff you mainlanders call each other when discussing with us is horrible.There are a lot of mainlanders here.And they prefer to backstab each other and even prefer us,who have nothing to do with them,than others of different groups.Southies are called 'kaalus,madrassi" etc etc while southies do the same.The sardar are ridiculed bu others and called as idiots as well as jaats..and so on and on and on.

What are you trying to say?
A few weeks ago I saw a news in a local newspaper in our state Kerala.A Keralite is kidnapped and killed by some criminals in Arunachal Pradesh.And irony a lot of Arunachalis began to protest the culripts.
You already mentioned words used against by NI. But in kerala noone suffered with that much racism because we keralites are known for their world knowledge and literacy.And we know the difficulties of immigrants since we are also immigrants in Gulf najority among us.
We South Indians experienced a lot in Mumbai and also NI .But we dont care it.After all we are still proud Indians.
We dont care about racist culturless people.

 

[Abotani]

@Abotani my people did't had any conections with chinese/Tibet in past or in present ! even.if ur arunachali how do u refer urself as from southtibet ? ? i hv never heard any arunachali saying dat ! and u are saying of joining china ... we are atlest geting to keep our identity, language and culture here in india do u relly think same will be granted for us in.china .. U better do some research ... any way i feel ur not from.arunachal and u may know there are 26 major tribe and more then hunderd sub-tribes so Galo don't make decision for us and nobody care what u people from pasighat thinks or do keep ur thought to urself and don't try to represent arunachalis we know whats best for us ... if ur so wilingly to join china jst get ur *** out of india's land !!!

Bro,you are a apatani,a tani.As same as us,with distinctions that make your group unique as all tani branches are unique even among each other.so where did the salt,metals,necklaces and other stuff we cherish came from?We didnt produce most of them.In fact salt was always in short supply for people in Arunachal..so much that goitre was common in AP.Did we get it from Assam?India?No.It all came from China and tibet.We can keep our identity,culture and language far better in China than India..It is right that galos don't decide for everybody,but they were the first to propose it and then everybody accepted it as negotiations with the singhpos fell out.South tibet and arunachal..both are names given by others and not what we call ourselves.So what difference does one name have over the other.I never called myself south tibetan.I calle the region so for the convenience of chinese members and other members.I have referred to myself only from my tribe and as a tani,because that is what my identity is.

We get flooded by mainlanders and in time they will do to us what they have done to mizos,meghalayees and most of NE.Reducing us to mere minorities in our own land and impose their culture,language and beliefs on us.It is because of China's 62 campaign that India left us alone and we were able to escape what other people of NE have already gone through.Do we want our people to go through the same suffering as the rest of NE?And get complete silence and a bullet if we get too loud as they did with rest of NE?The mainlanders already want to abolish ILP system and flood our state.Hordes of these mainlanders even on social networks call for abolishment of ILP system..the one thing that has kept our identity as a unique and different people alive.After all,we already have to learn their history,their language which has no meaning for us.We have to raise slogans for them and their leaders.What about ours?Tell me what do the mainlanders do when assam encroaches on arunachalee land in daporijo and other places as they have done for decades?They ignore it and support it as assam has far more vote bank relevance than us.Will we see our ancestral lands lost to assamese if we were part of China?The answer is no.
Even now the rail links pour thousands of illegal mainlanders into our ancestral lands.I am sure you know already this.Out of 3000 or so people checked coming from trains into arunachal only 50 had inner line permits.Why does SUMA work so hard to preserve our identity?To Keep these mainlanders out?It was the mainlanders who brought chakmas and hajongs here who cause all sorts of trouble for us native people.Our people will always be seen as "junglees,slit eyes" by them

Whereas as part of China,we get to preserve our identity and culture,we get to be a part of a nation where we arent seen as so different.For economic prosperity and development will come if we work.Just look at tibet.A frozen desert and the chinese have built such advanced infrastructure there.The people have income levels our state and people cannot achieve even by next decade under Indian rule,by which time they will already be leaps and bounds ahead again.SO what if some han chinese come and live in AP,we can negotiate with PRC for our POV and favour.There are so many mainlanders in AP,what difference is if instead of them it was chinese?The positives will far outweigh the negatives.The minorities have far more privileges in PRC than han as many chinese themselves say or some complain.
If we side with Indians,gradually we will lose our identity,culture and languages and everything we hold dear.

Think about it with a cool head and see where our best chance to preserve our identity lies.

 

[Gandhiv]

^^^
you do realize that Tibetan government in exile is hosted in India? And after so much of restrictions many Tibetans try to cross into India.
Tibetans are forcibly occupied by chinese, many monks burned themselves to oppose chinese atrocities in Tibet. China controls the information flow otherwise the human rights conditions in both Tibet and East Turkmenistan is appalling. I have yet to hear the same from Arunachal.

China fears the day when next Dalai Lama comes from Tawang this is one of their main concerns. And if India becomes more relevant in international politics you will see that Tibetan issues will be taken more seriously by the world.

And regarding rail lines coming into Arunachal, this is one of the cons everywhere in the world the amount of infrastructure building can not be done by Arunachalis themselves lots of manual labor is needed, many Arunachalis will not prefer to do the labor themselves also but this increasing economic activity will greatly benefits Arunachali people. One tourism is developed more money supply will come into your territory which ultimately benefits Arunachal GDP.

 

[NDLS]

Bro,you are a apatani,a tani.As same as us,with distinctions that make your group unique as all tani branches are unique even among each other.so where did the salt,metals,necklaces and other stuff we cherish came from?We didnt produce most of them.In fact salt was always in short supply for people in Arunachal..so much that goitre was common in AP.Did we get it from Assam?India?No.It all came from China and tibet.We can keep our identity,culture and language far better in China than India..It is right that galos don't decide for everybody,but they were the first to propose it and then everybody accepted it as negotiations with the singhpos fell out.South tibet and arunachal..both are names given by others and not what we call ourselves.So what difference does one name have over the other.I never called myself south tibetan.I calle the region so for the convenience of chinese members and other members.I have referred to myself only from my tribe and as a tani,because that is what my identity is.

We get flooded by mainlanders and in time they will do to us what they have done to mizos,meghalayees and most of NE.Reducing us to mere minorities in our own land and impose their culture,language and beliefs on us.It is because of China's 62 campaign that India left us alone and we were able to escape what other people of NE have already gone through.Do we want our people to go through the same suffering as the rest of NE?And get complete silence and a bullet if we get too loud as they did with rest of NE?The mainlanders already want to abolish ILP system and flood our state.Hordes of these mainlanders even on social networks call for abolishment of ILP system..the one thing that has kept our identity as a unique and different people alive.After all,we already have to learn their history,their language which has no meaning for us.We have to raise slogans for them and their leaders.What about ours?Tell me what do the mainlanders do when assam encroaches on arunachalee land in daporijo and other places as they have done for decades?They ignore it and support it as assam has far more vote bank relevance than us.Will we see our ancestral lands lost to assamese if we were part of China?The answer is no.
Even now the rail links pour thousands of illegal mainlanders into our ancestral lands.I am sure you know already this.Out of 3000 or so people checked coming from trains into arunachal only 50 had inner line permits.Why does SUMA work so hard to preserve our identity?To Keep these mainlanders out?It was the mainlanders who brought chakmas and hajongs here who cause all sorts of trouble for us native people.Our people will always be seen as "junglees,slit eyes" by them

Whereas as part of China,we get to preserve our identity and culture,we get to be a part of a nation where we arent seen as so different.For economic prosperity and development will come if we work.Just look at tibet.A frozen desert and the chinese have built such advanced infrastructure there.The people have income levels our state and people cannot achieve even by next decade under Indian rule,by which time they will already be leaps and bounds ahead again.SO what if some han chinese come and live in AP,we can negotiate with PRC for our POV and favour.There are so many mainlanders in AP,what difference is if instead of them it was chinese?The positives will far outweigh the negatives.The minorities have far more privileges in PRC than han as many chinese themselves say or some complain.
If we side with Indians,gradually we will lose our identity,culture and languages and everything we hold dear.

Think about it with a cool head and see where our best chance to preserve our identity lies.

just leave our country and start living in china... get lost

 

[Abotani]

^^^
you do realize that Tibetan government in exile is hosted in India? And after so much of restrictions many Tibetans try to cross into India.
Tibetans are forcibly occupied by chinese, many monks burned themselves to oppose chinese atrocities in Tibet. China controls the information flow otherwise the human rights conditions in both Tibet and East Turkmenistan is appalling. I have yet to hear the same from Arunachal.

DO you know how many of those tibetans are the former slave owning aristrocratic class?Of course they left.But with growing prosperity in tibet it is all changing.

just leave our country and start living in china... get lost

Your country?These are my lands,tani lands.In fact why don't you get out of this thread if you want to live under your cocoon so much?

 

[Gandhiv]

DO you know how many of those tibetans are the former slave owning aristrocratic class?Of course they left.But with growing prosperity in tibet it is all changing.

well buddy you don't have any idea how han chinese works, our consultancy works closely and facilitates chinese infrastructure companies in Africa. This is what they do take shipload of chinese migrant workers with all of technical expertise equipments to transport mineral wealth of native country, give loans to african country build railways/road not involving single native labor or engineers. Ultimately no in house expertise are developed or jobs are created.
Local labor gets restless whenever chinese show up they know no jobs will be created this is what they do outside of PLA military controlled areas think about how they will be doing it in Tibet. Most of the elite developed areas will be under han domain no go for natives, many of tibetans still live nomad life much of the infrastructure is developed for taking out mineral wealth or hosting nuclear dump site or strengthen military control.

 

[zootinali]

Bro,you are a apatani,a tani.As same as us,with distinctions that make your group unique as all tani branches are unique even among each other.so where did the salt,metals,necklaces and other stuff we cherish came from?We didnt produce most of them.In fact salt was always in short supply for people in Arunachal..so much that goitre was common in AP.Did we get it from Assam?India?No.It all came from China and tibet.We can keep our identity,culture and language far better in China than India..It is right that galos don't decide for everybody,but they were the first to propose it and then everybody accepted it as negotiations with the singhpos fell out.South tibet and arunachal..both are names given by others and not what we call ourselves.So what difference does one name have over the other.I never called myself south tibetan.I calle the region so for the convenience of chinese members and other members.I have referred to myself only from my tribe and as a tani,because that is what my identity is.

We get flooded by mainlanders and in time they will do to us what they have done to mizos,meghalayees and most of NE.Reducing us to mere minorities in our own land and impose their culture,language and beliefs on us.It is because of China's 62 campaign that India left us alone and we were able to escape what other people of NE have already gone through.Do we want our people to go through the same suffering as the rest of NE?And get complete silence and a bullet if we get too loud as they did with rest of NE?The mainlanders already want to abolish ILP system and flood our state.Hordes of these mainlanders even on social networks call for abolishment of ILP system..the one thing that has kept our identity as a unique and different people alive.After all,we already have to learn their history,their language which has no meaning for us.We have to raise slogans for them and their leaders.What about ours?Tell me what do the mainlanders do when assam encroaches on arunachalee land in daporijo and other places as they have done for decades?They ignore it and support it as assam has far more vote bank relevance than us.Will we see our ancestral lands lost to assamese if we were part of China?The answer is no.
Even now the rail links pour thousands of illegal mainlanders into our ancestral lands.I am sure you know already this.Out of 3000 or so people checked coming from trains into arunachal only 50 had inner line permits.Why does SUMA work so hard to preserve our identity?To Keep these mainlanders out?It was the mainlanders who brought chakmas and hajongs here who cause all sorts of trouble for us native people.Our people will always be seen as "junglees,slit eyes" by them

Whereas as part of China,we get to preserve our identity and culture,we get to be a part of a nation where we arent seen as so different.For economic prosperity and development will come if we work.Just look at tibet.A frozen desert and the chinese have built such advanced infrastructure there.The people have income levels our state and people cannot achieve even by next decade under Indian rule,by which time they will already be leaps and bounds ahead again.SO what if some han chinese come and live in AP,we can negotiate with PRC for our POV and favour.There are so many mainlanders in AP,what difference is if instead of them it was chinese?The positives will far outweigh the negatives.The minorities have far more privileges in PRC than han as many chinese themselves say or some complain.
If we side with Indians,gradually we will lose our identity,culture and languages and everything we hold dear.

Think about it with a cool head and see where our best chance to preserve our identity lies.

1.China built railways in Tibet, it is infrastructure marvel , India tries to build Railways in AP ,mainlander's encroachment?

2.Goitre is caused by Iodine deficiency , whole of NE suffered from owing to high rainfall and soil erosion , Salt doesnot cure it and we dont produce salt , we import it, Iodine supplement cures it.

3.Mizoram still has ILP and Meghalaya doesnot have it yet very little migration in those state .

4.AP will probably have ILP forever owing to its sensitive location what the hell are you reading ?

5. In PRC there are only 50 or something centrally recognised ethnic communities , good luck with getting recognition , while ignoring all the reservation and tax-free life GOI heaped on most of NE tribes including mine

6.If people are coming to your state without ILP what the local police is doing? arent they same AP people as you ,? But then ,Good luck with HAN migration (apparently you have no problem with that) and protecting your identity (you are already chinese so I doubt you have any identity to protect) . Forget the fact that you and majority chinese are not even of same race.

 

[Abotani]

you are already chinese so

Forget the fact that you and majority chinese are not of same race.

SO much confusion in one post

If people are coming to your state without ILP what the local police is doing arent they same AP people

Umm..that is why we caught them as student unions and police were doing their jobs and checking for documents.

China built railways in Tibet, it is infrastructure marvel , India tries to build Railways in AP ,mainlander's encroachment?

Read about the geographical conditions in tibet,why it is called a frozen desert and then think why chinese infrastructure is an engineering wonder.I called the illegals as encroachers and not the railway line.I mean it is stupid to even think railway lines as an "encroacher"

Goitre is caused by Iodine deficiency , whole of NE suffered from owing to high rainfall and soil erosion , Salt doesnot cure it and we dont produce salt , we import it, Iodine supplement cures it.

That was to point out how all the stuff we traded came from china and tibet.Very little,in fact practically no trade was done with ahoms,burmese or rest of NE.Mainland is even out of the discussion as we didn't even knew it existed.

In PRC there are only 50 or something centrally recognised ethnic communities , good luck with getting recognition , while ignoring all the reservation and tax-free life GOI heaped on most of NE tribes including mine

The tanis are called luobas and are a recognised minority in China.

 

[zootinali]

confusion ??? "you are already chinese" is your claim
"different race" is fact!!

rest of your statement is just garbage , not worth answering

 

[Abotani]

confusion ??? "you are already chinese" is your claim
"different race" is fact!!

rest of your statement is just garbage , not worth answering

Really?For garbage is all you spew out.Firstly race is a very broad concept.We are part of the mongoloid race and we have similarities even though we have different ethnicity..that is a fact.Our links with tibetans and chinese are well established and in anycase we are far closer to them than we can ever be to India.

 

[NDLS]

Really?For garbage is all you spew out.Firstly race is a very broad concept.We are part of the mongoloid race and we have similarities even though we have different ethnicity..that is a fact.Our links with tibetans and chinese are well established and in anycase we are far closer to them than we can ever be to India.

even nepal has people with mongloid features but they never act like this

 

[zootinali]

Really?For garbage is all you spew out.Firstly race is a very broad concept.We are part of the mongoloid race and we have similarities even though we have different ethnicity..that is a fact.Our links with tibetans and chinese are well established and in anycase we are far closer to them than we can ever be to India.

Prove it !! show me the genetic connection , give me percentage of haplogroup and mithochondrial DNA distribution charts, show me how much you are closer to hans and tibtans , aren`t burmese , thai, malay,mogolinas ,eastern russian are all part of 'mongoloid' race?? They never showed this much eagerness to join PRC . Even PRC doesn`t give shyte about race , ..Both PRC and India never cared about race, religion and other useless shyte anyway, they were build on far better,important and stronger fundamentals..