Will Pakistan Win in its War on Terror?

[mjnaushad]

I think Pakistan should allow the U.S. to intervene so they can help wipe them out before it gets too late. Its obvious the U.S. is not going to take over Pakistan, so I don't know what the Pakistani government is worried about.
It doesn't seem like Pakistan is in complete control as they are still negotiating with the Taliban for peace. And by doing this Pakistan is showing weakness to these extremeists and to the rest of the world. This isn't happening to any other country in the world except Pakistan (Iraq and Afghanistan don't count). This is getting embarrassing.

So you think letting USA on our land will end insurgency. You need to understand. Half of these people are fighting because of USA is here. And by the way who told you USA is good in COIN operation. They might have bigger planes and High technology. But COIN cannot always be won by high tech. you need to win heart and minds in COIN operations.

And by the way which US are you calling to wipe out taliban in Pakistan. The same US who even after 8 years cant secure full Afghanistan.

You need to understand how COIN operations works. bombing whole place is not COIN.

 

[NWO]

You can always take away the bases and murder the leaders, but until you defeat the ideology of it, it won't go away. This isn't a conventional war.

The Americans have been learning this lesson since 1950, with the Korean War. Yet, they do the exact same thing over and over again.

 

[Spring Onion]

@the thread starter:


We are already wining.

Its only matter of time when US, India, Saudia, Iran and other players stop using these internal terrorists, secterain outfits of Pakistan for their agenda.

The bottom line is we will keep wining and they will keep funding these terrorists.

After all orders for more weapons from around the world makes their industries stand.

 

[Ahmad]

They can destroy to Afghanistan too.
AM I right?

Yes, they have destroyd Afghanistan and thats why we hate them. By the way, why you get so agitated by my posts? I didnt say anything wrong in the above post you replied to it?

 

[TechLahore]

Yes, they have destroyd Afghanistan and thats why we hate them. By the way, why you get so agitated by my posts? I didnt say anything wrong in the above post you replied to it?

I hope the Taliban is uprooted and eliminated completely... to the last man.

That said, I think you need to be a bit more balanced. By implying that the Taliban destroyed Afghanistan, you are suggesting that there was something left to destroy in Afghanistan after the Soviets and the Northern Alliance had their run of it. The Taliban came to power precisely because Afghanistan had already been destroyed, there was no alternate leadership, the NA had been exposed as murderers, looters and rapists and the intelligentsia of Afghanistan had long left for foreign lands. It is only because destruction was so complete in Afghanistan, that an obscure ideology was found to be appealing as the 'last hope'.

So no, the Taliban cannot be blamed for destroying Afghanistan... they can be blamed for continuing the reign of terror that the Afghans have had no respite from since the mid-late '70s, but they can't be blamed for destroying something that had long been destroyed before they ever appeared on the scene.

I hope these NA + Taliban ba$tards meet a fiery and final end soon. Afghanistan needs a new start. Karzai and the NA are not the ones to do this... as the last 8 years have shown.

 

[ADT]

Im so glad that your just another guy here on forums and we have brave soldiers fighting for this country who are nothing like you

I cant even say what BS you wrote down here, truly a masterpiece of sh*** and cowardice

Maybe U.S. needs to focus on Canada first.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Maybe U.S. needs to focus on Canada first.

Just a Canadian joke: Its better to be on the top

 

[ADT]

Pakistan frees 12 Taliban militants in Swat valley

(Reuters) - Pakistani authorities have released 12 Taliban militants in a bid to consolidate a pact struck last month with Islamists in the troubled northwestern Swat valley, a senior government official said Sunday.

Their release is likely to deepen concerns among Western countries which say the policy of making pacts with Islamists is tantamount to appeasement and emboldens the militants.

U.S. officials fear the deal in Swat may create another safe haven for al Qaeda and the Taliban on Pakistani soil.

The Taliban militants were released Saturday night after talks between North West Frontier Province (NWFP) authorities and representatives of the Taliban and the Islamists, officials said.

"It was one of the demands of the Taliban. It was a goodwill gesture. We have fulfilled it and we hope now they will play their part for peace," Syed Mohammad Javed, Commissioner of Swat, told Reuters.

The Pakistani government, already facing economic crisis, is also confronting a growing tide of militancy flowing out of the lawless tribal belt on the Afghan border and into cities and towns, mainly in North West Frontier.

Sunday, officials said 10 policemen had been killed in a clash with the Taliban in the Mohmand tribal region on the Afghan border late Saturday.

A government official and three policemen were abducted by the militants after the clash and their decapitated bodies were found early Sunday, officials said.

SHARIA LAW

President Asif Ali Zardari has vowed his government will not negotiate with Taliban militants but NWFP authorities sealed the pact with an influential cleric in Swat, Maulana Sufi Mohammad.

They agreed to enforce Islamic sharia law in the region in the hope that Mohammad would be able to rein in the militants.

Mohammad this month called on the government and the Taliban to release each other's prisoners by March 10. The militants released seven government officials and soldiers last month.

Taliban militants announced a ceasefire on February 24 and Pakistani forces have also halted operations in Swat, a former tourist destination in the mountains just 130 km (90 miles) north of the capital, Islamabad.

Mohammad, an aging cleric who led violent protests by Islamists in the 1990s, has also set a deadline of March 15 for the government to enforce sharia law in the region or face protests. NWFP officials have assured him his demand will be met.

While businesses and schools have reopened in scenic Swat, critics doubt the deal will last long, saying earlier pacts were used by militants to consolidate their strength.

Authorities signed a peace agreement with the militants in May 2008. That pact failed and militants later virtually took control of the valley.

Since the latest agreement was signed, two soldiers were killed in an ambush with the militants, while several government and paramilitary officials were kidnapped and then released after Mohammad intervened.

Officials say the Swat deal is an attempt to alleviate worsening security by involving Mohammad, who has given up militancy, and that President Asif Ali Zardari would only sign off on wider use of sharia justice if peace was sustained.

Even then a softer interpretation of sharia was seen, with no special courts and with existing officials to be trained in Islamic jurisprudence, officials have said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5270AN20090308

 

[ADT]

Doesn't seem like Pakistan is winning if they have to negotiate with these scumbag terrorists/extremists/fundamentalists to bring peace. So now these scumbag terrorists/extremists/fundamentalists can go back out and inflict their ideologies on the innocent Pakistanis who are just trying to care for their families and live a good peaceful life.

 

[ADT]

So you think letting USA on our land will end insurgency. You need to understand. 1.) Half of these people are fighting because of USA is here. And by the way who told you USA is good in COIN operation. They might have bigger planes and High technology. But COIN cannot always be won by high tech. you need to win heart and minds in COIN operations.

And by the way which US are you calling to wipe out taliban in Pakistan. The same US who even after 8 years cant secure full Afghanistan.

You need to understand how COIN operations works. 2.)bombing whole place is not COIN.

1.) These people are the scumbag terrorists/extremists/fundamentalists and they need to be exterminated.

2.) I in no way implied this.

 

[mjnaushad]

I in no way implied this.

I know you didn't. But US COIN Operations involve B 52s.

 

[Ahmad]

I hope the Taliban is uprooted and eliminated completely... to the last man.

That said, I think you need to be a bit more balanced. By implying that the Taliban destroyed Afghanistan, you are suggesting that there was something left to destroy in Afghanistan after the Soviets and the Northern Alliance had their run of it. The Taliban came to power precisely because Afghanistan had already been destroyed, there was no alternate leadership, the NA had been exposed as murderers, looters and rapists and the intelligentsia of Afghanistan had long left for foreign lands. It is only because destruction was so complete in Afghanistan, that an obscure ideology was found to be appealing as the 'last hope'.

So no, the Taliban cannot be blamed for destroying Afghanistan... they can be blamed for continuing the reign of terror that the Afghans have had no respite from since the mid-late '70s, but they can't be blamed for destroying something that had long been destroyed before they ever appeared on the scene.

I hope these NA + Taliban ba$tards meet a fiery and final end soon. Afghanistan needs a new start. Karzai and the NA are not the ones to do this... as the last 8 years have shown.

Yes, the taliban were not the only ones who destroyed Afghanistan. But they are the only group who are destroying AFghansitan. Either the NA(former mujahideen) or the Taliban - both of them came out of pakistan's sleeves.

 

[mjnaushad]

Pakistan frees 12 Taliban militants in Swat valley

(Reuters) - Pakistani authorities have released 12 Taliban militants in a bid to consolidate a pact struck last month with Islamists in the troubled northwestern Swat valley, a senior government official said Sunday.

Their release is likely to deepen concerns among Western countries which say the policy of making pacts with Islamists is tantamount to appeasement and emboldens the militants.

U.S. officials fear the deal in Swat may create another safe haven for al Qaeda and the Taliban on Pakistani soil.

The Taliban militants were released Saturday night after talks between North West Frontier Province (NWFP) authorities and representatives of the Taliban and the Islamists, officials said.

"It was one of the demands of the Taliban. It was a goodwill gesture. We have fulfilled it and we hope now they will play their part for peace," Syed Mohammad Javed, Commissioner of Swat, told Reuters.

The Pakistani government, already facing economic crisis, is also confronting a growing tide of militancy flowing out of the lawless tribal belt on the Afghan border and into cities and towns, mainly in North West Frontier.

Sunday, officials said 10 policemen had been killed in a clash with the Taliban in the Mohmand tribal region on the Afghan border late Saturday.

A government official and three policemen were abducted by the militants after the clash and their decapitated bodies were found early Sunday, officials said.

SHARIA LAW

President Asif Ali Zardari has vowed his government will not negotiate with Taliban militants but NWFP authorities sealed the pact with an influential cleric in Swat, Maulana Sufi Mohammad.

They agreed to enforce Islamic sharia law in the region in the hope that Mohammad would be able to rein in the militants.

Mohammad this month called on the government and the Taliban to release each other's prisoners by March 10. The militants released seven government officials and soldiers last month.

Taliban militants announced a ceasefire on February 24 and Pakistani forces have also halted operations in Swat, a former tourist destination in the mountains just 130 km (90 miles) north of the capital, Islamabad.

Mohammad, an aging cleric who led violent protests by Islamists in the 1990s, has also set a deadline of March 15 for the government to enforce sharia law in the region or face protests. NWFP officials have assured him his demand will be met.

While businesses and schools have reopened in scenic Swat, critics doubt the deal will last long, saying earlier pacts were used by militants to consolidate their strength.

Authorities signed a peace agreement with the militants in May 2008. That pact failed and militants later virtually took control of the valley.

Since the latest agreement was signed, two soldiers were killed in an ambush with the militants, while several government and paramilitary officials were kidnapped and then released after Mohammad intervened.

Officials say the Swat deal is an attempt to alleviate worsening security by involving Mohammad, who has given up militancy, and that President Asif Ali Zardari would only sign off on wider use of sharia justice if peace was sustained.

Even then a softer interpretation of sharia was seen, with no special courts and with existing officials to be trained in Islamic jurisprudence, officials have said.

Pakistan frees 12 Taliban militants in Swat valley | Reuters

Can you see the date of this article. Its one year old.

 

[ADT]

I know you didn't. But US COIN Operations involve B 52s.

It wouldn't be the case here. U.S. would provide strategic airstrikes on the holdouts of these individuals. Just like they are doing with the UAV (drones) but on a larger scale. There are other measures that U.S. could provide. Think about it, over 7,000 civillians have been killed in Pakistan since these attacks have begun. Pakistan just doesn't have what it takes to defeat these people as is evident by the negotiations they are conducting. Negotiating should not be an option because these people are just going to go back do doing what they are currently doing. Waiting is just going to prove to be even more deadly as is exemplified by the recent Lahore attack.

 

[Ahmad]

It wouldn't be the case here. U.S. would provide strategic airstrikes on the holdouts of these individuals. Just like they are doing with the UAV (drones) but on a larger scale. There are other measures that U.S. could provide. Think about it, over 7,000 civillians have been killed in Pakistan since these attacks have begun. Pakistan just doesn't have what it takes to defeat these people as is evident by the negotiations they are conducting. Negotiating should not be an option because these people are just going to go back do doing what they are currently doing. Waiting is just going to prove to be even more deadly as is exemplified by the recent Lahore attack.

They had a chance of negotiations. The gov of paksitan agreed to their demands, but they knew that it is the GUN which can gaurantee their existece so they broke the deal with the gov. Yes, no negotiations until they and their ideology is finished.