Will Indians backstab china if China is militarily conflicting with Japan?

[帅的一匹]

This will be linked to India moving into South-China seas

India heads there for resource supply, nothing more.

 

[tony singh]

India heads there for resource supply, nothing more.

Depends how far you push us if you try to put boots in *** we could even up our game with Vietnam and provide them with Brahmos but im sure China will not interfere in Kashmir.

 

[Joe Shearer]

In one case you are asking us "WILL INDIA'?? but in the other case you are already doing that in Pakistani kashmir.

Coming to specific causes of concern for India, China's involvement with Pakistan is a serious and multifold issue.

First, China has stepped in to fill the gap in Pakistani equipment and armaments brought about by a gradual distancing between Pakistan and her erstwhile allies, and by a shrinking of Pakistani expectations from the exuberant days of 1965. Already Pakistani capital equipment, tanks, planes and ships, are increasingly sourced from China. This trend will only accelerate in pace with the pace of acceleration of the distancing between Pakistan and the west, and a change in Pakistani levels of confidence.

Second, China has virtually manufactured Pakistan's deterrent at the strategic, nuclear level. This very dangerous development has brought in new hazards into the situation, ranging from encouragement of Pakistani adventurism, which is in more than abundant supply with its generals, to a willingness to hollow out its military capability in favour of a potent cocktail of nuclear devices and jehadi fanaticism.

Third, new facilities and installations are being assigned to the Chinese for development and operation. Gwadar is soon to be operational; it will not be surprising to hear announcements of massive new railway projects. the port has to be connected, after all. It will not be surprising to hear of rail lines other than through the Indus Valley.

Fourth, the most worrying is an increasing handing over of Pakistani geostrategic capabilities to China.while the visiting Defence Minister had categorically denied Chinese military presence, he had not denied Chinese engineering support. This may be a trend which may increase, not decrease.

The implications of this fractional reduction of Pakistani self-confidence, and increasing tendency of its ruling classes to look to help to the state nanny is very disturbing. It may lead to an increase of Chinese involvement and integration of Chinese resources into the warp and woof of Pakistan. It may lead to an involuntary Chinese involvement in an adventurist Pakistani act. Moore's Law may kick in, and the worrying possibility is of accidental conflict between Pakistan's minders and vengeful pursuers.

This possibility should worry China. Whether it will lead to hostilities or not, coincidentally at the time of a Sino-Japanese clash, is not clear.

 

[Srinivas]

Sino_indian relationship was a model relationship in human history ..apart from last five decades of mistrust we had cordial relationship ..

There is a proverb "distant hill always looks attractive ".. Japan or for that matter usa does not share border with us ..
It is china which has to initiate policy shift vis a vis india , i am sure india will reciprocate with humility ..
Better relationship with china will have greater effect than say excellent relationship with japan ..we have to live side by side through out our existence .. So there is a immediate need to fill the trust deficit ..

Throughout the history of independent India, China always tried to confine India to subcontinent by arming pakistan and balancing Pakistan with India militarily. Even now Pakistan is their Pivot to twist India.
Do you think you can have a good relationship with china when you are aware of the fact that Chinese influence is the main opposition for India in sub continent. China is the only country which is opposing UN security council perminent seat for India. If they want good relations with India try not arming pakistan and support India for UN security council permenent seat.

 

[IND151]

no i don't think so

Don't want no war on our doorsteps but yes India will like to draw something for itself from the conflict

yes possible

India may secretly demand return of Aksai Chin and promise in return that it will stay neutral in war

this possibility cant be ruled out

 

[Joe Shearer]

If you want to gain something through the conflicts, like we should admit South Tibetan belonging to India or what? I really worry lots indian opportunitist will do what happened in 1950s again.

There is nothing to be gained except the reversion of Aksai Chin, and informed Indian opinion already believes that claims on Aksai Chin were exaggerated and lacked integrity. Admitting south Tibet as belonging to India is really only recognition of the situation on the ground. It sounds as if we have, temporarily, lost our bearings on this issue.

 

[Spring Onion]

Coming to specific causes of concern for India, China's involvement with Pakistan is a serious and multifold issue.

First, China has stepped in to fill the gap in Pakistani equipment and armaments brought about by a gradual distancing between Pakistan and her erstwhile allies, and by a shrinking of Pakistani expectations from the exuberant days of 1965. Already Pakistani capital equipment, tanks, planes and ships, are increasingly sourced from China. This trend will only accelerate in pace with the pace of acceleration of the distancing between Pakistan and the west, and a change in Pakistani levels of confidence.
Second, China has virtually manufactured Pakistan's deterrent at the strategic, nuclear level. This very dangerous development has brought in new hazards into the situation, ranging from encouragement of Pakistani adventurism, which is in more than abundant supply with its generals, to a willingness to hollow out its military capability in favour of a potent cocktail of nuclear devices and jehadi fanaticism.

Third, new facilities and installations are being assigned to the Chinese for development and operation. Gwadar is soon to be operational; it will not be surprising to hear announcements of massive new railway projects. the port has to be connected, after all. It will not be surprising to hear of rail lines other than through the Indus Valley.

Fourth, the most worrying is an increasing handing over of Pakistani geostrategic capabilities to China.while the visiting Defence Minister had categorically denied Chinese military presence, he had not denied Chinese engineering support. This may be a trend which may increase, not decrease.

The implications of this fractional reduction of Pakistani self-confidence, and increasing tendency of its ruling classes to look to help to the state nanny is very disturbing. It may lead to an increase of Chinese involvement and integration of Chinese resources into the warp and woof of Pakistan. It may lead to an involuntary Chinese involvement in an adventurist Pakistani act. Moore's Law may kick in, and the worrying possibility is of accidental conflict between Pakistan's minders and vengeful pursuers.

This possibility should worry China. Whether it will lead to hostilities or not, coincidentally at the time of a Sino-Japanese clash, is not clear.

Ahhh lovely so all Indian fear is Pakistan Centric which is lovely for China as well since India remains so China can silently proceed with engaging India

 

[Splurgenxs]

WIll India back-stab china? like China did ?No

will India act if lucrative and game changing opportunities arise?yes u can dam well bet ur life on it.

Two points of Interest, Kashmir and Afghanistan.

 

[帅的一匹]

Coming to specific causes of concern for India, China's involvement with Pakistan is a serious and multifold issue.

First, China has stepped in to fill the gap in Pakistani equipment and armaments brought about by a gradual distancing between Pakistan and her erstwhile allies, and by a shrinking of Pakistani expectations from the exuberant days of 1965. Already Pakistani capital equipment, tanks, planes and ships, are increasingly sourced from China. This trend will only accelerate in pace with the pace of acceleration of the distancing between Pakistan and the west, and a change in Pakistani levels of confidence.

Second, China has virtually manufactured Pakistan's deterrent at the strategic, nuclear level. This very dangerous development has brought in new hazards into the situation, ranging from encouragement of Pakistani adventurism, which is in more than abundant supply with its generals, to a willingness to hollow out its military capability in favour of a potent cocktail of nuclear devices and jehadi fanaticism.

Third, new facilities and installations are being assigned to the Chinese for development and operation. Gwadar is soon to be operational; it will not be surprising to hear announcements of massive new railway projects. the port has to be connected, after all. It will not be surprising to hear of rail lines other than through the Indus Valley.

Fourth, the most worrying is an increasing handing over of Pakistani geostrategic capabilities to China.while the visiting Defence Minister had categorically denied Chinese military presence, he had not denied Chinese engineering support. This may be a trend which may increase, not decrease.

The implications of this fractional reduction of Pakistani self-confidence, and increasing tendency of its ruling classes to look to help to the state nanny is very disturbing. It may lead to an increase of Chinese involvement and integration of Chinese resources into the warp and woof of Pakistan. It may lead to an involuntary Chinese involvement in an adventurist Pakistani act. Moore's Law may kick in, and the worrying possibility is of accidental conflict between Pakistan's minders and vengeful pursuers.

This possibility should worry China. Whether it will lead to hostilities or not, coincidentally at the time of a Sino-Japanese clash, is not clear.

China is not in it's core interest to help developing or sell Pakistan destruction weapons India don't possess.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Will India government sign the treaty if we bring it up?


We just help Pakistan deter potential India attack , not to help Pakistan overthrow India. Kashmir is the problem between India and Pakistan, its not our business.


I change my word backstab to attack, my Fault.

A very strong possibility exists. Imagine the relief in tension and the relief on military commanders.

 

[IND151]

At the level of state philosophy, if there is such a thing, India has been a country represented - always - by a philosophy of strategic restraint.

This philosophy insists that it is not in Indian culture or heritage to be an aggressor nation. It is natural that during a very long and poorly recorded history, there will be many examples that may be selected to prove that this was so.

There may be as many examples to prove the contrary. for instance, the Magadhan Empire had bitten deep into the Seleukian successor kingdom to the empire left by Alexander III of Macedon,the Great; the Chola kings of the southern Coromandel coast reinforced existing Tamil settlements in Sri Lanka and consolidated them into an empire of its own; the Cholas went on to influence and even dominate politically large tracts of south east Asia; the Mughals ruled over large parts of Afghanistan; the Maratha admirals dominated the Indian Ocean in their time; the Sikhs penetrated into Afghanistan and into Tibet; and the Gurkha kingdom penetrated into Tibet.

Even a simple glance at these episodes will bear out the evidence of strategic restraint. Indian monarchs were not really oriented to conquests overseas.

British colonial rule was a significant deviation. It is not surprising that the British, being an expansionary power, saw no cultural or legacy related constraint on their actions. They expanded from their Indian base in every direction: into Sri Lanka, to Aden, to the Gulf states, to Afghanistan, to Tibet, to Burma, to the Straits of Malacca, indeed, to China itself. This was significant because it left India, at independence, with contradictions in its policies.

While the cultural constraint was a powerful influence, it was traditional to hold what a state had. The Indian state had boundaries which were never well defined, with the Ottoman Empire in the Gulf, with Afghanistan, with Tibet or even with Burma. In fact, even while both Sri Lanka and India were under common administrative control, there were anomalies - the island of Kachchateevu, for instance - that caused problems.

These boundary issues were divided with the progressive departure of the British. Kuwait inherited - was itself - the boundary issue with the Mesopotamian province; Pakistan got Gwadar and the Afghan border; India got the Tibetan, Burmese and Sri Lankan borders.

This messy situation with the borders prevented India from reverting to its traditional posture of strategic restraint until the blood-letting of the 1962 border conflict with China. That was the last occasion on which the Indian state found itself at war over boundaries. And the result of that conflict firmly reinforced the tendency to observe strategic restraint.

On subsequent occasions, in 1965, in 1971, in 2002, and on all occasions on the border with China, India observed strategic restraint.

From the point of view of the philosophy guiding Indian foreign relations therefore, it is unlikely that India will take sides against China under any circumstances. There can be dramatic exceptions, linked to an outrage perpetrated by China, but there is no possibility of violence under normal circumstances.

very correct

 

[Spring Onion]

Coming to specific causes of concern for India, China's involvement with Pakistan is a serious and multifold issue.

First, China has stepped in to fill the gap in Pakistani equipment and armaments brought about by a gradual distancing between Pakistan and her erstwhile allies, and by a shrinking of Pakistani expectations from the exuberant days of 1965. Already Pakistani capital equipment, tanks, planes and ships, are increasingly sourced from China. This trend will only accelerate in pace with the pace of acceleration of the distancing between Pakistan and the west, and a change in Pakistani levels of confidence.Second, China has virtually manufactured Pakistan's deterrent at the strategic, nuclear level. This very dangerous development has brought in new hazards into the situation, ranging from encouragement of Pakistani adventurism, which is in more than abundant supply with its generals, to a willingness to hollow out its military capability in favour of a potent cocktail of nuclear devices and jehadi fanaticism.

Third, new facilities and installations are being assigned to the Chinese for development and operation. Gwadar is soon to be operational; it will not be surprising to hear announcements of massive new railway projects. the port has to be connected, after all. It will not be surprising to hear of rail lines other than through the Indus Valley.

Fourth, the most worrying is an increasing handing over of Pakistani geostrategic capabilities to China.while the visiting Defence Minister had categorically denied Chinese military presence, he had not denied Chinese engineering support. This may be a trend which may increase, not decrease.

The implications of this fractional reduction of Pakistani self-confidence, and increasing tendency of its ruling classes to look to help to the state nanny is very disturbing. It may lead to an increase of Chinese involvement and integration of Chinese resources into the warp and woof of Pakistan. It may lead to an involuntary Chinese involvement in an adventurist Pakistani act. Moore's Law may kick in, and the worrying possibility is of accidental conflict between Pakistan's minders and vengeful pursuers.

This possibility should worry China. Whether it will lead to hostilities or not, coincidentally at the time of a Sino-Japanese clash, is not clear.

Ahh it means Indian fear is Pakistan centeric so China can silently make progress while India remains Pakistan-centeric

 

[帅的一匹]

no i don't think so



yes possible

India may secretly demand return of Aksai Chin and promise in return that it will stay neutral in war

this possibility cant be ruled out

That is called shameless plunder if India doing so.

 

[El Weirdo]

Thank you for the admiration. Let me tell you a secret.

The moment Pakistan announces that it is being threatened by India and moves its troops towards Indian border, the same people Pakistan is fighting against will join us to fight against India.

We probably would again start fighting amongst ourselves after we take care of Indian hides.

You guys may not understand this reality - please don't.

And let me telll YOU a secret too..
The moment pakistani army will try to give their `free services`to china , you willl definately see a balochi uprising , of course with RAW`s help... and kaboom.. Republic of Balochistan will be born... so keep your `boot licking to chinese` secrets to yourself..

 

[IndianArmy]

Thank you for the admiration. Let me tell you a secret.

The moment Pakistan announces that it is being threatened by India and moves its troops towards Indian border, the same people Pakistan is fighting against will join us to fight against India.

We probably would again start fighting amongst ourselves after we take care of Indian hides.

You guys may not understand this reality - please don't.

If you have a common enemy then why do you fight among yourselves, that's a silly secret and its just not me, but no one except you can ever digest it.

Its simply out of bounds for you to understand that.