Will China-India border resume peaceful after Biden takes over power from Trump

[vi-va]

no it was 35000 sq km .

poor chaps crying from fear of war with india .

Seems you haven't learnt anything from 20 soldiers frozen to death. Your coward army scare to death, dare not to search them, wait until next morning. Do you know they can survive if your coward army save them in time?
No your fake news India media won't tell you truth. India army generals don't have balls.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Biden is a old politician who is more hypocritical than Trump.
Biden will reassure India that you have my back, and throw India under the bus after the war break up.
US will milk India to death, sell weapons, use India as cannon fodder, free of charge, very profitable.

While when India is lame duck, US will use every means to leash India, just like how US leashed Canada and Australia, which are 2 US d0gs.

India will fall in this trap, because of Modi 56" chest, he will take the risk and blindly trust US.

China is fine with it, beat US dog to let other countries understand the consequence.

China US Pakistan, Win x 3!

You guys should calm down with all this weird talk.
India getting closer with the US is expected and maybe even normal.. if it serves India's interests to be aligned with the US then I see no reason they shouldn't. Geopolitics is all about national interests. I actually think as long as India hasn't solved it's border dispute with China and sees no real possibility of a deal being made, then it makes sense for them to align themselves closer to the US for common interests. When facing a bigger power it's normal for a weaker party to seek the help of another bigger power to balance it's more powerful rival. Just like China did in the mid 70s to early 1900s when China switched sides and aligned themselves closer to the US away from the Soviet Union with whom relations had soured and both sides even fought a border dispute. This helped China( who was the weaker and poor side) align itself with the US to balance the far more wealthy and powerful Soviet Union. WIN-WIN for both sides. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I see nothing wrong in that.
So I don't understand why some of you are acting like India is a puppet if it's aligns itself with the US for common interests. Will you also say China was a US puppet from the 70s to 90s?

 

[bshifter]

You guys should calm down with all this weird talk.
India getting closer with the US is expected and maybe even normal.. if it serves India's interests to be aligned with the US then I see no reason they shouldn't. Geopolitics is all about national interests. I actually think as long as India hasn't solved it's border dispute with China and sees no real possibility of a deal being made, then it makes sense for them to align themselves closer to the US for common interests. When facing a bigger power it's normal for a weaker party to seek the help of another bigger power to balance it's more powerful rival. Just like China did in the mid 70s to early 1900s when China switched sides and aligned themselves closer to the US away from the Soviet Union with whom relations had soured and both sides even fought a border dispute. This helped China( who was the weaker and poor side) align itself with the US to balance the far more wealthy and powerful Soviet Union. WIN-WIN for both sides. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I see nothing wrong in that.
So I don't understand why some of you are acting like India is a puppet if it's aligns itself with the US for common interests. Will you also say China was a US puppet from the 70s to 90s?

mid 70s to early 1900s ? shouldn't it be 1990s lol

The Chinese here have not said anything about India being a puppet. It is just plain truth that the US is and continues to make use of India to balance China and the Military Industrial Complex earning quite a large sum. The difference between Sino-US rapprochement deterring Soviet Union and India-US versus China is that China gained maximum benefit from it and the US got what they wanted the collapse of SU. India however will not benefit because it's about border conflict (one that cannot be won by India) and not ideology or political. China became the world factory, economy took off and the rest is history. SU dissolved, Berlin Wall collapse, China and Russia re-established ties and solved the border issue. There was WIN-WIN for CN-US and continues to be even today in times of hostility instigated by the US, huge trade deficit with China. For India i do not see what it will win. The only way India will Win is to beat China in a war. Even with the US backing India it will not evolve into a physical war, everything will stay the same sticks and stones. US Defense Industry will be reaping huge profits from India so the Win is only one sided.

 

[retaxis]

China defeated US In korea and kicked India *** in 62. India should learn not to mess with its master but keep buying Chinese phones and gadgets it keeps you poor and us rich.

 

[vi-va]

You guys should calm down with all this weird talk.
India getting closer with the US is expected and maybe even normal.. if it serves India's interests to be aligned with the US then I see no reason they shouldn't. Geopolitics is all about national interests. I actually think as long as India hasn't solved it's border dispute with China and sees no real possibility of a deal being made, then it makes sense for them to align themselves closer to the US for common interests. When facing a bigger power it's normal for a weaker party to seek the help of another bigger power to balance it's more powerful rival. Just like China did in the mid 70s to early 1900s when China switched sides and aligned themselves closer to the US away from the Soviet Union with whom relations had soured and both sides even fought a border dispute. This helped China( who was the weaker and poor side) align itself with the US to balance the far more wealthy and powerful Soviet Union. WIN-WIN for both sides. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I see nothing wrong in that.
So I don't understand why some of you are acting like India is a puppet if it's aligns itself with the US for common interests. Will you also say China was a US puppet from the 70s to 90s?

True, but I totally disagree. India under Modi lack of understanding of the geopolitics and strategy.

The difference is huge:

China strategic environment and policy.

1. It's bloody Cold War international environment, much more harsher than nowadays.
2. USSR threatened to nuke China in 1960s. US did that also back in 1950s. I have copies of diplomatic telegraphic.
3. China north border with USSR(including Mongol) is wide open. 4,630 km with Mongol which is USSR vassal, 4,000 km on the far east side. 1,782.75 km with Kazakhstan, 1,063 km with Kyrgyzstan, 477 km with Tajikistan. Total 12000 km, most border are flat land.
4. China prepared for the full scale war with USSR alone. We did NOT expect US to fight our war. Not possible.
5. China prepared 5 million force to take on USSR. China is very serious. Spent trillions on the south of China to build entire industry in 1960s.
6. China deal with USSR under the circumstance that USSR Army have to be divided into 2 forces, one facing NATO on the west, the other facing China on the east. Only a very fragile Trans-Siberian Railway connect each other. 9,289 kilometers from Moscow to Vladivostok.
7. USSR power projection is very limited on the east side, especially the logistics.
8. USSR 2/3 army force is on NATO side, they have no more resource to relocate to east side.
9. USSR military spending is 12% of GDP, but their economy is weaker and weaker, especially social development and living standard were stagnant.
10. China is an independent country, politically, culturally, ideologically and economically.

India strategic environment and policy.

1. It's not Cold War international environment. Most countries do NOT worries invasions or nuked.
2. China is no USSR at all. China is economy animal, while USSR is military power.
3. China has never threatened India in past decades, only 5000 soldiers on the border. Never threatened any country with nuke. Actually China has no-first-use nuclear policy towards all country, including US.
4. The border between China and India is very mountainous, the highest on earth. Large invasion is impossible, border skirmish maybe. The threat from China to India can't compare with threat from USSR at all.
5. The China-India border is not China major strategic threat, China major threat comes from the sea.
6. The China-India border is not India major strategic threat, India major threat comes from the west.
7. China invited India to join BRICS, AIIB, RCEP, SCO. All those organizations are founded/lead by China.
8. China is very patient negotiator. China settled all land disputes with all neighbors peacefully, such as Myanmar, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Russia and Vietnam.
9. China did NOT take Taiwan back by force, even we have the capability. China has no appetite to attack India, Taiwan is our focus.
10. India can't win the conventional war with China on disputed land. No chance. Especially on the west side, Aksai Chin.
11. China only spent 2% of GDP on military. We are not USSR to be exhausted.
12. China logistic on west side is much better than USSR on east side.
13. China power projection capability is good enough to take India.
14. China has no NATO on our door step, our army are easily relocate from east to west. China has numbers and equipment superiority as well.
15. India can't afford a two front war with both Pakistan and China.
16. India has only 10 days ammunition storage, not a serious preparation at all. It's a joke.
17. India threaten Pakistan with 'Cold Start' doctrine.
18. India is not like China. China has a hard core, culturally and ethnically, China has been a strong state back in 2200 years ago. China is China through out passed 2000 years, while India is a new creation of British, the nation building has yet complete, far from that. India is a feudal state, better than Holy Roman Empire. A multi culture, multi ethnic, multi language complex.
19. India strategic interest at this stage is economy development, not getting involved into major power conflict or Cold War.
20. India is not an independent country, far from it. Language - English, culturally inferior mentality, western political structure, economically dependent on western power, oil/gas dependence almost 90%, critical weapons all made by Russia or western countries, ideology penetrated, media penetrated, NGO huge influence, corrupted politicians, elites pro west, brain drain.

The list goes on. The western media will depict China as bully, totally fine. But if anyone has a sane mind, look into it. You will see China has no intension to initiate the conflicts.

Last but not least, since 1975, not a single shot cross the border. The congress at least knew their diplomatic business and leashed the army. While you know what, Modi is the first one to unleash the army, give them free pass to initiate provocative actions along the China-India disputed border.

China watched Modi doing, then given a warning.

 

[Oldman1]

China defeated US In korea and kicked India *** in 62. India should learn not to mess with its master but keep buying Chinese phones and gadgets it keeps you poor and us rich.

Defeated the U.S. in Korea? South Korea still exist so not sure where you learned that.

I dont think US will intervene if there is border conflict between China and India. What USA will do just making pro India comments and sell their weapon to India.

India will be happy on that. Getting new weapons. This isn't new in our history when we supported other countries with weapons.

 

[bshifter]

Defeated the U.S. in Korea? South Korea still exist so not sure where you learned that.

Does South Vietnam still exist? Guess the Vietnamese defeated US

 

[Oldman1]

Does South Vietnam still exist? Guess the Vietnamese defeated US

Yes, but what about South Korea? Does it exist still? Are there still U.S. troops there?

 

[bshifter]

Yes, but what about South Korea? Does it exist still? Are there still U.S. troops there?

So you admit the Vietnamese defeated the US then. Good. Now i will tell you why the Vietnamese were able to defeat the US. First it was only Vietnamese against Americans, unlike China fighting 16 countries in the Korean War
Secondly how could Vietnamese even beat US? That's because the Americans were afraid to cross the 17th parallel because if they did they would be facing China again. The outcome of the Korean War had a huge psychological effect on the US that's why it did not want to fight China head on again.

 

[Oldman1]

So you admit the Vietnamese defeated the US then. Good. Now i will tell you why the Vietnamese were able to defeat the US. First it was only Vietnamese against Americans, unlike China fighting 16 countries in the Korean War
Secondly how could Vietnamese even beat US? That's because the Americans were afraid to cross the 17th parallel because if they did they would be facing China again. The outcome of the Korean War had a huge psychological effect on the US that's why it did not want to fight China head on again.

How did Vietnam defeat China during the Sino-Viet conflict? And why did China not push all the way to help takeover all of South Korea after taking over Seoul? It doesn't make sense why China retreated.

 

[Place Of Space]

Defeated the U.S. in Korea? South Korea still exist so not sure where you learned that.

India will be happy on that. Getting new weapons. This isn't new in our history when we supported other countries with weapons.

Of course you are happy, you can make huge money from selling weapons to India. If China can sell weapons to India, I am happy too, though the money won't be in my pocket.

 

[Oldman1]

Of course you are happy, you can make huge money from selling weapons to India. If China can sell weapons to India, I am happy too, though the money won't be in my pocket.

Will China be happy about selling weapons to India right now?

 

[bshifter]

How did Vietnam defeat China during the Sino-Viet conflict? And why did China not push all the way to help takeover all of South Korea after taking over Seoul? It doesn't make sense why China retreated.

China had logistics problem, had it not been for that China would have driven the US and the UN forces out of the South. That is well documented, there is no way to deny this fact. The further downward we went the harder it became to supply to the troops. The Chinese Volunteer Army had no tanks, no helicopters, no planes. We all walked on foot crossing very very long distance. US had helicopters, tanks, planes and 16 countries aiding. You guys fought a primitive armed China and still driven out from the North (in US history the longest retreat), that is quite a humiliation.

China did not lose to Vietnam, China just withdrew drawing lessons from the Korean War. Logistics man and China did not attack Vietnam for land grabbing or turning the whole Vietnam into our colony. We attacked them to teach them a lesson. Facts are facts, no matter how you spin it.

 

[Oldman1]

China had logistics problem, had it not been for that China would have driven the US and the UN forces out of the South. That is well documented, there is no way to deny this fact. The further downward we went the harder it became to supply to the troops. The Chinese Volunteer Army had no tanks, no helicopters, no planes. We all walked on foot crossing very very long distance. US had helicopters, tanks, planes and 16 countries aiding. You guys fought a primitive armed China and still driven out from the North (in US history the longest retreat), that is quite a humiliation.

China did not lose to Vietnam, China just withdrew drawing lessons from the Korean War. Logistics man and China did not attack Vietnam for land grabbing or turning the whole Vietnam into our colony. We attacked them to teach them a lesson. Facts are facts, no matter how you spin it.

Glad to see you guys learned your lesson from that conflict with logistics problems and apply the fighting in Vietnam and withdrew quickly from possible defeat again logistics problems.

 

[bshifter]

Glad to see you guys learned your lesson from that conflict with logistics problems and apply the fighting in Vietnam and withdrew quickly from possible defeat again logistics problems.

And US learned the lesson not to mess with China in Vietnam, so yes China did won the Korean War we prevented the US to completely occupy the North. Not only that we achieved a victory through the Vietnam War because the US left.