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Will China and the US be at war next week? Beijing set to defy Hague ultimatum

Tell me why US just blatantly rejected the ruling made by the same court you are talking about here.
We rejected what ruling?
This is a ruling by a board you joined and not some off line court making a ruling on you. The case is being decided by an arbitration tribunal under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which both countries have signed.
 
Of course, the laws are only for the small countries. The big boys have their own set of rules. That's the reality.

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Of Course China, Like All Great Powers, Will Ignore an International Legal Verdict
In ignoring an upcoming verdict on the South China Sea, Beijing is following well-established precedent by great powers.

By Graham Allison
July 11, 2016

This week the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) will deliver its award in the Philippines’ case against China over maritime disputes in the South China Sea. In a bid to thwart Beijing’s attempt to turn the South China Sea into its own virtual lake, Manila contends that China’s claim to exclusive sovereignty over all the islands and shoals within the nine-dashed line – which encompasses 86 percent of the Sea – has no basis in international law. There is not much suspense about what the tribunal will decide: it will almost certainly side with the Philippines. The United States and its allies have already started criticizing China for signaling in advance that it will ignore the court’s ruling, which one Chinese official derided last week as “nothing more than a piece of paper.”

It may seem un-American to ask whether China should do as we say, or, by contrast, as we do. But suppose someone were bold enough to pose that question. The first thing they would discover is that no permanent member of the UN Security Council has ever complied with a ruling by the PCA on an issue involving the Law of the Sea. In fact, none of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council have ever accepted any international court’s ruling when (in their view) it infringed their sovereignty or national security interests. Thus, when China rejects the Court’s decision in this case, it will be doing just what the other great powers have repeatedly done for decades.

From the day the Philippines went to court, China has argued that the PCA has no legitimate jurisdiction on this issue since it concerns “sovereignty” – which the text of the Law of the Sea treaty explicitly prohibits tribunals from addressing. When the Court rejected China’s objection, Beijing refused to participate in its hearings and made it clear that it will ignore the PCA’s ruling. The United States and others have criticized Beijing for taking this stance. But again, if we ask how other permanent members of the Security Council have acted in similar circumstances, the answer will not be one we like.

When the Netherlands sued Russia after the latter’s navy boarded and detained the crew of a Dutch vessel in waters off of the Russian coast in 2013, Moscow asserted that the court had no jurisdiction in the matter and refused to participate in the hearings. It also ignored a tribunal’s order that the crew be released while the dispute was being resolved. After the PCA ruled that Russia had violated the Law of the Sea and ordered Moscow to pay the Netherlands compensation, Russia refused.

Anticipating the Court’s ruling in the case brought by the Philippines, UK Prime Minister David Cameron proclaimed: “We want to encourage China to be part of that rules-based world. We want to encourage everyone to abide by these adjudications.” Perhaps he had forgotten that just last year the PCA ruled that the UK had violated the Law of the Sea by unilaterally establishing a Marine Protected Area in the Chagos Islands. The British government disregarded the ruling, and the Marine Protected Area remains in place today.

The United States has never been sued under the Law of the Sea because – unlike China – Washington has not ratified the international agreement and is thus not bound by its rules. Expect Chinese commentators to emphasize this point in the mutual recriminations that will follow the Court’s announcement.

The closest analogue to the Philippines case involving the United States arose in the 1980s when Nicaragua sued Washington for mining its harbors. Like China, the United States argued that the International Court of Justice did not have the authority to hear Nicaragua’s case. When the court rejected that claim, the United States not only refused to participate in subsequent proceedings, but also denied the Court’s jurisdiction on any future case involving the United States, unless Washington explicitly made an exception and asked the Court to hear a case. If China followed that precedent, it could withdraw from the Law of the Sea Treaty altogether – joining the United States as one of the world’s only nations not party to the agreement.

In the Nicaragua case, when the Court found in favor of Nicaragua and ordered the United States to pay reparations, the U.S. refused, and vetoed six UN Security Council resolutions ordering it to comply with the court’s ruling. U.S. Ambassador to the UN Jeane Kirkpatrick aptly summed up Washington’s view of the matter when she dismissed the court as a “semi-legal, semi-juridical, semi-political body, which nations sometimes accept and sometimes don’t.”

Observing what permanent members of the Security Council do, as opposed to what they say, it is hard to disagree with realist’s claim that the PCA and its siblings in The Hague – the International Courts of Justice and the International Criminal Court – are only for small powers. Great powers do not recognize the jurisdiction of these courts – except in particular cases where they believe it is in their interest to do so. Thucydides’ summary of the Melian mantra – “the strong do as they will; the weak suffer as they must” – may exaggerate. But this week, when the Court finds against China, expect Beijing to do as great powers have traditionally done.

Graham Allison is director of Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs and author of the forthcoming book, “Destined for War: America, China, and Thucydides’s Trap.”
 
Let's see America back up their words for once in their lives. :enjoy:
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Wow using american media to get cover now :lol: and that too over small contra deal and not over a sea lane that does nearly 7 trillion of commerce. U.S claimed the court was out of jurisdiction in making those verdicts. BUT in your case- this tribunal was setup by China! United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. China not only helped negotiate the UN convention, it was one of the first countries to sign it in 1982 and ratify it in 1996.
 
We rejected what ruling?
This is a ruling by a board you joined and not some off line court making a ruling on you. The case is being decided by an arbitration tribunal under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which both countries have signed.
USA rejected a RULING by the ICJ whereas the ruling by the so-called International Tribunal which whose Judges were specially selected by Shunji Yanai (A Japanese) with the approval of the Philippines Foreign Ministry. The entire process is all paid by Philippines alone. Although China signed the UNCLOS but like Philippines, they both signed with a exemptary clause as regards to historical islands.

Anyway Philippines is merely seeking the question on the validity of 9 dash lines which will not affects the status quo of these islands China is now in possession.

As for me, I believe USA is trying to bait China as Russia, China and USA are on the verge of the real war - The currency war and if USA loses this one, USA economy is as good as gone. No need to fight any war. USA with her mass printed greenback with NO GOLD ASSET will not be able to afford any war.
 
Wow using american media to get cover now :lol: and that too over small contra deal and not over a sea lane that does nearly 7 trillion of commerce. U.S claimed the court was out of jurisdiction in making those verdicts. BUT in your case- this tribunal was setup by China! United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. China not only helped negotiate the UN convention, it was one of the first countries to sign it in 1982 and ratify it in 1996.
That' s just one example the US defies the international laws, google it and will find US has a terrible track record on following international laws, that list goes on forever, That's why US is crowned as the single BIGGEST threat to the world peace.
This Country Was Named The Greatest Threat To World Peace
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/greatest-threat-world-peace-country_n_4531824.html
 
That' s just one example the US defies the international laws, google it and will find US has a terrible track record on following international laws, that list goes on forever, That's why US is crowned as the single BIGGEST threat to the world peace.
This Country Was Named The Greatest Threat To World Peace
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/greatest-threat-world-peace-country_n_4531824.html
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US media again? I thought you hated our media. BTW, it is you that is trying to create a hegemony in SCS impeding world peace.
 
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US media again? I thought you hated our media. BTW, it is you that is trying to create a hegemony in SCS impeding world peace.
I can post reports from Xinhua news agency if you want, cause I guess you like your own media better, you can deny that survey and insist that they don't exist, then we all can see what kind of character you are. speaking of "hegemony" , see who is talking.
 
I can post reports from Xinhua news agency if you want, cause I guess you like your own media better, you can deny that survey and insist that they don't exist, then we all can see what kind of character you are. speaking of "hegemony" , see who is talking.

Oh a survey! you gotta do better than a survey to hurt our feelings.

All our neighbours live in peace with us and we have NATO. :)
 
OK, deny it and live in your dreams.
Deny what? We get along with all of our neighbours, we have no land disputes with them, and we have great friends in NATO and among all developed countries. What about you- are you in denial?
 
Anyone touching or challenging our territorial integrity should be responsible for war. Not us, as a peace loving country, our responsibility is always to maintain peace and stability.
 
They would kill off their own economy by destabilising the world. Then thereafter once U.S and Europe recover- never will they ever work with China.

My foot! The money from the sell out can be reinvested in other countries. Internet liars like you preach as if they are economics expert. Did you ever take economics as a subject or are you one of those high school dropouts that is so common in the US? BTW, why didn't you say something about grabbing land that maximuswarrior was talking about? You guys are truly the champions in the art of hypocrisy!
 

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