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Kevin Rudd, Australian leader, told US counterparts that they should be prepared to use force against China if they can't assimilate China into the global community.
Kevin also said that Australia's naval expansion is to deal with China, that his plans for Asia-Pacific is to blunt China's rise as much as possible, and that he is a "brutal realist of China".

Kevin also made a secret deal with the US about plans to send special forces to Pakistan.
In short, they are threatening war if China doesn't do everything the US says.
Here's the article:

WikiLeaks | Kevin Rudd to Hillary Clinton: use force against China

Kevin Rudd warned Hillary Clinton to be prepared to use force against China ''if everything goes wrong'', an explosive WikiLeaks cable has revealed.

Mr Rudd also told Mrs Clinton during a meeting in Washington on March 24 last year that China was ''paranoid'' about Taiwan and Tibet and that his ambitious plan for an Asia-Pacific community was intended to blunt Chinese influence.

It also reveals Mr Rudd offered Australian special forces to fight inside Pakistan once an agreement could be struck with Islamabad.

The cable details a 75-minute lunch Mr Rudd held as prime minister with Mrs Clinton soon after she was appointed US Secretary of State.

Signed ''Clinton'' and classified ''confidential'', it is the first of the WikiLeaks cables that includes a substantive report on Australia.

The unprecedented disclosure of such a frank exchange between political leaders is bound to complicate Australia's ties in the region, especially with Beijing.

At the lunch Mrs Clinton confided to Mr Rudd America's fears about China's rapid rise and Beijing's multibillion-dollar store of US debt. She asked: ''How do you deal toughly with your banker?''

In a wide-ranging conversation Mr Rudd:

Described himself as ''a brutal realist on China'' and said Australian intelligence agencies closely watched its military expansion.

Said the goal must be to integrate China into the international community, ''while also preparing to deploy force if everything goes wrong''.

Characterised Chinese leaders as ''sub-rational and deeply emotional'' about Taiwan.

Said the planned build-up of Australia's navy was ''a response to China's growing ability to project force''.

Sought Mrs Clinton's advice on dealing with the Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, and Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, whom she labelled the ''behind-the-scenes puppeteer''.

Mr Rudd agreed any success in Afghanistan would unravel if Pakistan fell apart - and that Islamabad must be turned away from its ''obsessive focus'' on India. He also discussed ways to bring China to the table in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The disclosures in the cable, posted online by the British newspaper The Guardian, will complicate Mr Rudd's already testy personal links with China after his reported reference to Chinese negotiators as ''rat fuckers'' during the Copenhagen climate change conference.

Mr Rudd gave Mrs Clinton a candid assessment of the Chinese leadership, drawing a disparaging contrast between the President, Hu Jintao, with his predecessor, saying Mr Hu ''is no Jiang Zemin''.

Mr Rudd said no one person dominated China's opaque leadership circle but the Vice-President, Xi Jinping, might use family ties to the military to rise to the top.

Mr Rudd said he had urged China to strike a deal with the Dalai Lama for autonomy in Tibet and while he saw little prospect of success, he asked Mrs Clinton to have ''a quiet conversation'' to push the idea with Beijing's leaders.

On his plan for an ''Asia-Pacific community'', Mr Rudd said the goal was to curb China's dominance. He wanted to ensure this did not result in ''an Asia without the United States''.

Mrs Clinton has since publicly praised Mr Rudd for his advice on China and credited him for the US decision this year to join the East Asia Summit.

Mr Rudd is in the Middle East and a spokeswoman said he did not have any comment on the release of the cable.

The Attorney-General, Robert McClelland, declined to answer questions on any damage to Australia's ties with China or the role of Australian special forces in Pakistan arising from the revelations in the cable.

In a statement issued by a spokesman he said: ''The government has made it clear it has no intention to provide commentary on the content of US classified documents.''

In the cable, Mr Rudd appears eager to impress on Mrs Clinton his knowledge of international affairs, promising to send her copies of his speech in April 2008 at Peking University and a draft journal article on his Asia-Pacific community plan.​

My opinion:
I'm sorry, but any national leader that openly calls us "rat fuckers" is simply not someone that's worth dealing with.
 
Already posted in the World Affairs section.

Also, Kevin Rudd was forced to "resign" from his post as Prime minister, so we don't need to worry about him anymore.

the reasons for his resignation were completely different.
 
the reasons for his resignation were completely different.

Of course, I never said otherwise.

The point is that he is no longer Prime minister, so as worthless as his opinions on using force against China were before, now they are even less important.
 
Of course, I never said otherwise?

The point is that he is no longer Prime minister, so as worthless as his opinions on using force against China were before, now they are even less important.

yes, you are right. but, normally ruling political party decides strategy not Prime minister. and still current PM is from the same political party.
 
yes, you are right. but, normally ruling political party decides strategy not Prime minister. and still current PM is from the same political party.

Now it's that Welsh woman right? Prime minister Gillard?

Firstly we don't know if she shares Rudd's views regarding China, secondly even if she did, she would still not be in a strong enough position globally to do anything about it.

As a side note: I don't know why Kevin Rudd majored in Chinese studies at University, as well as learning how to speak Mandarin, only to come out with such ridiculous ideas against China.
 
Now it's that Welsh woman right? Prime minister Gillard?

Firstly we don't know if she shares Rudd's views regarding China, secondly even if she did, she would still not be in a strong enough position globally to do anything about it.

I don't know why Kevin Rudd majored in Chinese studies at University, as well as learning how to speak Mandarin, only to come out with such ridiculous ideas against China.

yes, she is the PM.

btw, FYI, Rudd was known to be Pro-China. And he can speak fluent Mandarine. and he is foreign minister now which is also big post.
 
btw, FYI, Rudd was known to be Pro-China. And he can speak fluent Mandarine. and he is foreign minister now which is also big post.

Exactly, which is why I find it so confusing that he called our diplomats "rat fuckers".

You're an Australian citizen right, what is your take on it?
 
@Chinese-Dragon: I do not think Australia will ever go against China.

but, civilians normally do not know about bigger picture.
 
Personally I think Rudd is playing a game here. He faces major push back in Australia for his pro-China stance and at least some people in think he's faked the cable to get the conservative monkeys off his back.

What some Australians think about Rudd.

they also speculate that the Chinese government are knew in advance these comments were going to leaked and I think they maybe right. When was the last time someone made a statement like this and China didn't protest???


Read this
From The eXiled’s Special Australasia Correspondent Ramon Glazov

PERTH, AUSTRALIA–A few hours ago (as of writing this), Julian Assange released his first US Embassy cable regarding Australian politics. It’s still too early for me to make my mind up, but it’s never too early to speculate. If the cable is genuine, it might be the most delicious disgrace in Prime Ministerial history – my brain’s tall poppy receptors are already tingling at the idea that it’s a real communiqué. Still, the whole thing is a little too perfect.

According to the cable, our former Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, made some unfortunate comments about China in a 75-minute meeting with Hillary Clinton. According to Rudd, China’s leaders are “sub-rational” and America should be ready to “deploy force” if diplomacy fails. Even more damning (at least, supposedly) is his claim that Australia’s plans to expand its submarine fleet were “a response to China’s growing ability to project force.”

I should explain, before anything, why this is so delicious. Kevin Rudd came to power in Australia in late 2007, just over a year before Obama’s election victory. Like Obama, he replaced a long-standing conservative government while presenting himself as a progressive, and, like Obama’s, his government was a carbon copy of his predecessor’s in almost every area, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

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I wouldn’t normally use “tall poppy” as a slur, but if Rudd wasn’t a soulless vegetable with a waxy disproportionate head, then what was he? He certainly didn’t resemble Gough Whitlam, Australia’s last real Labor Prime Minister (whose election victory, if you believe Kwitny, made the CIA panic “almost as if our Australian ally had actually fallen to communists”). If he had one personality quirk, it was phoning random public servants during the early hours of the morning – this got him the nickname “Kevin 24/7.” Unfortunately, Prime Minister Crystal Dick seemed to spend most of his time tinkering with Howard policies to make them even more evil. In 2007, Howard gave families a free piece of Internet filtering software that cost $90m to develop… and could be bypassed by teenagers in less than 10 minutes. Rudd decided a software-based filter wasn’t enough and tried to extend Howard’s idea to an ISP level. It would never have worked, but like the current TSA scandal in America, it gave instant brownie points to all sorts of Penn & Teller loudmouths who’d be otherwise unemployed.

The other thing Rudd is famous for is China. He speaks Mandarin, had a long career as a Beijing diplomat in the 1980s, and Australian newspaper cartoonists occasionally like to draw him in a Chairman Mao suit. Playing up his sensitivity to Chinese culture was a crucial part of his 2007 campaign strategy. Earlier in the year, his party caucus forced him to resign and gave the PM job to his deputy, Julia Gillard. Now, imagine a political machine full of cold, convictionless little Adrian-Lamo-style nerds (plus a few jocks who happen to wear glasses) and you’d have a good picture of Rudd’s “Labor Right” faction. As a consolation prize for losing the Prime Minister job, they gave Rudd a cosy position as Foreign Minister in the “new” Gillard Government, figuring his Chinese credentials would carry him.

And that’s hardly the best piece of irony.

As Foreign Minister, you see, Rudd is the default head of ASIS, Australia’s equivalent to the CIA. If this morning’s cable is genuine, then Julian Assange has just caused our foreign intelligence agency one of its biggest ever embarrassments. It was only yesterday that the Wikileaks founder accused Australia’s government of betraying him “so that Australian diplomats and politicians can be invited to the best US embassy cocktail parties.” It looks like he’s finally bitten back.

It’s a pleasant scenario, but there’s still every chance the cable was a selective leak. For starters, it makes Rudd look suspiciously tough and uncompromising, which is exactly the bullshit West Wing image every Labor hack wants to cultivate. I’ve known a few. The scene of an Australian Prime Minister telling an American Secretary of State when to “deploy force” is even fishier, almost like a propaganda script to disguise Australia’s lackey status. Several readers of The Age website have already responded positively, claiming Rudd is “one of the few politicians around the world to approach China with some honesty” and is “only telling the truth.” If it’s a ruse, it might just work. (And it’s not like One Nation racists are the only voters Rudd could grab with a bit of Sinophobia: there are plenty of right-wing Chinese anticommunists still around.) The question is whether Rudd gave Beijing advance warning: to answer that, Assange would have to find some Australian or Chinese cables.

There’s also the matter of Rudd’s daughter Jessica, who happens to be married to a Hong-Kong-born banker called Albert Tse (also the former President of the Labor Club at QUT, the Queensland University of Technology). In 2008, Jessica moved to Beijing with her husband, apparently quitting her job in PR to become a full-time socialite. Rudd obviously has a pretty significant stake in China – that’s another thing that makes the cable a bit too perfect. There’s no shortage of failed Labor politicians who’ve badmouthed their former associates for profit – Google “Mark Latham” if you’re American – but dissing China while your son-in-law is doing business there makes no sense to a careerist unless the Chinese are in on the whole thing. That’s why, if it isn’t staged, it’s one hell of a clusterfuck.

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The Rudd Family: (l-r) Son-in-law Albert Tse, daughter/author Jessica, Daddy & Mommy

Ms. Rudd’s career comes with a few other unanswered questions. Less than two months after her father’s forced resignation, she brought out a “political chick-lit” novel called Campaign Ruby. The writing itself was mediocre, the usual plot about shoe-shopping and whatever, but the book had one claim to fame – predicting Crystal Dick’s resignation and replacement by Australia’s first female Prime Minister. The mainstream media called this “freakily prescient.” The really freaky part, though, is seeing Jessica Rudd in an interview. She claims to have barely finished two chapters before getting a book deal. She also claims to have gotten a deadline to complete the book by December 2009, despite being a first-time writer. Why December? Did the Labor hacks tip her off about her father’s resignation months ahead? (After her father’s demotion, getting to predict a major political event would make a nice consolation prize.) And could you imagine her writing a political novel if her father wasn’t about to get booted? A novel about a PM, getting ratfucked, published while he’s still in office? By his own ******* spawn? In the middle of an election year? Finally, she says the book was “so much fun” to write. I don’t think anyone who’s actually tried to write a novel would describe the process as “fun” – unless you’re handing outlines to a ghost writer, that is.

In short, Kevin Rudd has had plenty of incidents in his career that were about as spontaneous and unscripted as an All Saints episode, though I’m yet to issue a final verdict about Assange’s latest leak.

Or, as Jessica Rudd would put it: “I know, such a coincidence.”

Ramon Glazov lives and writes in Perth, Western Australia.




WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Drops Wiki-Bomb On Australia’s Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd…Or Does He? - By Ramon Glazov - The eXiled
 
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Sorry, I must miss the good story. But what I really see is a dog barking at nobody in front of its master. I think the dog may think its master wants it to bark, or it just wants some bones.
 
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