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Why US tech companies struggle in China but thrive in India

This article is so biased. The title is "Why US tech companies struggle in China but thrive in India", but the almost whole content is about how "struggle in China", the situation of "thrive in India" totally is ignored.

We need to know how and why the US tech companies thrive in India!!! US tech companies must do some right strategy in India.

Xiaomi does well as do some other Chinese smartphone makers. It's not as simple as gets made out. There's a certain expectations of high quality at a good price in this particular field. Move to consumer electronics & there is negligible traction for Chinese brands and no interest in Chinese automobile companies. While the smartphone makers & these others might share the same country of origin, the perceptions of them vary widely.

For every American company that succeeds in India, there are atleast a dozen which don't. In the end it is less to do with the nationality of the successful country (it does play a part though), it has more to do with the perception of something that has value with an appreciation of what the consumer wants. After all, it is Nestle a Swiss company that controls the Indian market for instant noodles, something that they do nowhere else.It is Suzuki, a mid level Japanese car maker that dominates the Indian market in the face of much bigger competitors from the U.S., Europe & better known Japanese companies Very general statements like that made in the story does not stand up to closer scrutiny. If Amazon has done well, it is because they have understood their consumers & have gained their confidence. Not just because they are an American company.
 
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Xiaomi does well as do some other Chinese smartphone makers. It's not as simple as gets made out. There's a certain expectations of high quality at a good price in this particular field. Move to consumer electronics & there is negligible traction for Chinese brands and no interest in Chinese automobile companies. While the smartphone makers & these others might share the same country of origin, the perceptions of them vary widely.

For every American company that succeeds in India, there are atleast a dozen which don't. In the end it is less to do with the nationality of the successful country (it does play a part though), it has more to do with the perception of something that has value with an appreciation of what the consumer wants. After all, it is Nestle a Swiss company that controls the Indian market for instant noodles, something that they do nowhere else.It is Suzuki, a mid level Japanese car maker that dominates the Indian market in the face of much bigger competitors from the U.S., Europe & better known Japanese companies Very general statements like that made in the story does not stand up to closer scrutiny. If Amazon has done well, it is because they have understood their consumers & have gained their confidence. Not just because they are an American company.

Thank you for the sharing.

"The Chinese value for variety manifests itself in WeChat, China’s most popular message app with 570 million daily active users. The app is stuffed to the brim with ride-hailing features, personal QR codes, video messaging, voice messaging, payments, location reporting, finding nearby users, and much more.

If WeChat is feature-rich, WhatsApp is a feature-pauper.
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At this point, I believe this author spend lot of time studying Tencent. Do you think Wechat will be sucessful in India? I strongly recommend it, it is a convenient and powerful tool.
 
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At this point, I believe this author spend lot of time studying Tencent. Do you think Wechat will be sucessful in India? I strongly recommend it, it is a convenient and powerful tool.

India is dominated by whatsapp, there has to be substantial differentiators which add value for people here to go with a Chinese company. The fear of trusting a Chinese company with your data remains high. Over time, possible but I think Indians are more likely to trust Chinese hardware than software.
 
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India is dominated by whatsapp, there has to be substantial differentiators which add value for people here to go with a Chinese company. The fear of trusting a Chinese company with your data remains high. Over time, possible but I think Indians are more likely to trust Chinese hardware than software.

if Wechat enter India and employ the local to develop software, with remaining those already sucessful apps, how is the outcome? Software evolve fast, 4 or 5 years ago, QR code is rarely in my life, nowadays I exchange infos, payment, get news, flyers, namecard...all via QR code. I myself am like a media.
 
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if Wechat enter India and employ the local to develop software, with remaining those already sucessful apps, how is the outcome? Software evolve fast, 4 or 5 years ago, QR code is rarely in my life, nowadays I exchange infos, payment, get news, flyers, namecard...all via QR code. I myself am like a media.

Won't say it can't happen but there are still some severe trust barriers that exist. It is not about using locals alone, it is about the fear of your data being in a country that you are not comfortable trusting that with. As Chinese companies get better, I'm sure that someone will break that trust barrier but that's still some distance away.
 
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What we call 'tech' is comprehensive and the article focused on the service side of 'tech'. Amazon is a 'tech' service company. So are Uber and Baidu. Each company uses one sector of 'tech' to enhance the servicing of a need.

What China does is forced foreign companies into partnerships where the government have high stakes interests. This has been well known for decades when China abandoned the communist model for her economy.

In my industry -- semiconductor -- forced partnerships can be overt and/or subtle. The Americans, the JPNese, the SKReans, and the Taiwanese all must deal with the Chinese government one way or another.

http://store.kiplinger.com/energy-alerts/tech-alerts-2016-05-11.html
China's pursuit of chip autonomy is sure to roil international relations.Rising tensions will lead to battles over sharing intellectually property and stoke fears over cyberespionage. Plus, China is increasingly forcing foreign tech companies, including chip firms, to partner with local Chinese companies in order to tap the country's massive market. Expect more tussles over trade deals, too, as China becomes more protective of its chip business. "The semiconductor industry is incredibly dependent on free trade," says Neuffer. "We're supportive of China building their industry, but we have some concerns about their efforts to create an island in itself."
Local officials have great latitude on how to enforce these partnerships. Everything from construction to licenses, local officials can make or break an investment. A side effect of that is a deep and wide reservoir of corruption money.

Some sectors of 'tech', such as manufacturing, can be successful for a foreign company since manufacturing is the foundation for growth. On the consumer -- retail -- side, it is a different story. Consumption is fast and growth in this sector usually outpaces manufacturing. China have every interest to have domestic companies as overwhelmingly dominant as fast as possible. In the time it takes to build just a shell of a semicon fab, which is 3-4 yrs, a retail start up of 'tech' can generate enough profits to divest itself of any foreign investor and become standalone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/business/yourmoney/17baidu.html?_r=0
In exchange for letting censors oversee its Web site, Baidu has sealed its dominance with support from the Chinese government, which regularly blocks Google here and imposes strict rules and censorship on other foreign Internet companies.
So for China, there are some observant minds in government to know which 'tech' sector should be allowed to have continual foreign companies presence for the long term, and which sectors to swiftly remove foreign companies once their usefulness, meaning introduction of new ideas to do things, are done.

I used to work for Micron. Today, Micron is still needed in China since semiconductor is still an infantile industry for Chinese talents. Same for Samsung and Hynix (SKR) and Toshiba (JPN). These foreign companies, in forced partnerships, are considered to be useful to China for at least another decade, probably longer. This is not an unrealistic view considering it takes 3-4 yrs to build a shell of a fab and to populate it with the equipment, 1-2 yrs to train the manpower and to produce products that can pass the minimum market quality standards, and one more yr to be profitable. Before all of this, it can take up to 2-3 yrs for site assessment, which includes local population education level, water, electricity, and assorted infrastructure. If the local roads are substandard, how can the people get to work ? For each site that is approved by the investor and the Chinese government, at least 5 were rejected.

This article is at best incomplete and at worst misleading.
 
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Won't say it can't happen but there are still some severe trust barriers that exist. It is not about using locals alone, it is about the fear of your data being in a country that you are not comfortable trusting that with. As Chinese companies get better, I'm sure that someone will break that trust barrier but that's still some distance away.

How did the fear of data being in a country happen in India? Some of Chinese companies have entered on New York stock market, or previous / being the Hongkong stock market, their data has not met strong challenge. I think more and more well-educated Indian will find first hand information by themselves or through responsbile resources, like the author spent enormous time travelling abroad and learning in Chinese. However, it's not waste of time, it is chance. I remember when foreign international companies entered into China in 1990's, the employees in those companies became the first group of Chinese middle class. Some of them later left the foreign company and established their successfuly business.
 
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US wasting it's energy for the others instead of it's own nation.
 
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How did the fear of data being in a country happen in India? Some of Chinese companies have entered on New York stock market, or previous / being the Hongkong stock market, their data has not met strong challenge. I think more and more well-educated Indian will find first hand information by themselves or through responsbile resources, like the author spent enormous time travelling abroad and learning in Chinese. However, it's not waste of time, it is chance. I remember when foreign international companies entered into China in 1990's, the employees in those companies became the first group of Chinese middle class. Some of them later left the foreign company and established their successfuly business.

There is a trust issue with Chinese companies as opposed to say, American or European ones. It could well be just perception but that exists. Btw, the more well educated one is, the more likely he/she would be wary.
 
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This is how its going, indians build system, foreigners buys out captures indian market, hires indians and then indians take over the company from inside and gain back the power :D

Some funny situation, but thats how its going on in tech industry, look around you will see plenty of examples.


You will never be able to take over the company unless you buy the majority of their shares.
 
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Question should be "why foreign companies struggle in China, more often than they succeed"

India is a much simpler market. Most of the new internet users, use it on mobiles primarily. And can understand english enough to navigate simple apps and sites. Decision to buy any product or service is mostly taken before they finalize on where to purchase from and loyalty to any particular site is not that strong. Value is more important. And notion of preferring domestic companies over MNC is not a significant part in purchase decisions. Mostly because Indian businesses have a long history of looting customers when there is no competition. The exceptions are still successful and growing even bigger, like Tata, Birla, Mahindra etc.

As with Chinese companies in India, people buy it if dirt cheap and occasional use items (like diwali lightings), or mobile phones (since they offer seemingly better value for money, and anyways mobile phones are now having a shelf life of <2 years). For durability and high value purchases, people still avoid anything chinese. Perception issue.
 
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There is a trust issue with Chinese companies as opposed to say, American or European ones. It could well be just perception but that exists. Btw, the more well educated one is, the more likely he/she would be wary.
white people better for Hindus imo. But we dont care As long as India continue to supply beef to China and give us 46billion USD surplus every quarter, can continue status quo. you can continue to boast, while we make money
 
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white people better for Hindus imo. But we dont care As long as India continue to supply beef to China and give us 46billion USD surplus every quarter, can continue status quo. you can continue to boast, while we make money

Seriously :crazy:
 
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I read. Anyway, I was expressing my opinion on why US companies struggled in China.



Indian markets will be dominated by 'US companies'. I already see Flipkart dying. Anyway, in today's world there is no 'US companies' and 'Indian companies'. This is the era of global companies. Whoever can compete better should survive. In the end the rights of the consumer is what is paramount and that is what should matter to the government



I personally am against pampering local companies at the cost of consumer. Yes, the government needs to make local companies have access to healthy capital, infrastructure and expertise, but not snuffing out the competition. Let the local companies fight their battle. Who ever is liked by the consumer will survive.
India is such a defeated people. Because of this mindset, you will never achieve anything. Hapless lost soul.
 
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