Why the Russia-Ukraine War is Not the Same as the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

[cochine]

Look at the timetable, Nixon visited China in 1972, while China supported Vietnam until Vietnam defeated US and united in 1975.

Vietnam is ungrateful and backstabbing, betrayer.

China in the Vietnam War

Damn, if Vietnam government are overthrown again by color revolution, should China save them again?
Damn, damn.

Stop lying and fabrication about such data. In fact Viennam won on USA aggression is that the thank for help from Soviet Union and other socialist coutries. We don't depended on China "help". We do know well about smuggler mentalites of Chienese. Onday china said thet there is "volunty help", nextday you caculated like idiot smuggler !.

For what China did in time of Vietnam war ? is just for that China can shook hands with American and negociate with Amarican, invited Nixon to Peking and to eat with them !

 

[Foinikas]

There is a great scene in Apocalypse Now,the dinner scene with the French.

Hubert: The Vietnamese are very intelligent. You never know what they think. The Russian ones who help them, "come and give us their money. We are all Communists. Chinese give us guns. We are all brothers."... They hate the Chinese! Maybe they hate the American less than the Russian and the Chinese. I mean, if tomorrow the Vietnamese are Communists they will be *Vietnamese* Communists. And this is something you never understood, you American.

 

[beijingwalker]

Stop lying and fabrication about such data. In fact Viennam won on USA aggression is that the thank for help from Soviet Union and other socialist coutries. We don't depended on China "help". We do know well about smuggler mentalites of Chienese. Onday china said thet there is "volunty help", nextday you caculated like idiot smuggler !.

For what China did in time of Vietnam war ? is just for that China can shook hands with American and negociate with Amarican, invited Nixon to Peking and to eat with them !

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US was hell bent to mend the ties with Chna back then, they came to China on their own invitation, how can we say no?

 

[etylo]

Stop lying and fabrication about such data. In fact Viennam won on USA aggression is that the thank for help from Soviet Union and other socialist coutries. We don't depended on China "help". We do know well about smuggler mentalites of Chienese. Onday china said thet there is "volunty help", nextday you caculated like idiot smuggler !.

For what China did in time of Vietnam war ? is just for that China can shook hands with American and negociate with Amarican, invited Nixon to Peking and to eat with them !

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That's why you Viets are famous as treacherous ungrateful untrustworthy snakes ! No accident ! You can always deny China provided any aid to you and you were number one in the world, you Viets defeated the Yankees and French alone ! Also, I dare you proud Viets not to import and use any Chinese made Covid 19 vaccines now as you people don't need Chinese vaccines because you despise Chinese and Chinese products so much ! You shameless ungrateful yet proud Viets don't deserve China's help to provide Covid 19 vaccines to save your lives ! Further, don't import any Chinese made products to your country to use if you Viets have real guts. Instead, you Viets should ask your sugar daddy Yankees to give you Covid 19 vaccines to save your lives and other daily products to use !

 

[cochine]

US was hell bent to mend the ties with Chna back then, they came to China on their own invitation, how can we say no?

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same logic you can apply for visite of Deng to US in 1979 by china's herown begg to get support from US, before China PLA invasion into Vietnam borders in 1979.

 

[beijingwalker]

same logic you can apply for visite of Deng to US in 1979 by china's herown begg to get support from US, before China PLA invasion into Vietnam borders in 1979.

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They came first, we reciprocated, diplomatic protocol practiced by every country.

same logic you can apply for visite of Deng to US in 1979 by china's herown begg to get support from US, before China PLA invasion into Vietnam borders in 1979.

China doesn't need anyone's help to take military actions, in 1962, against the world most difficult terrain in Tibet, amid the worst famine in history, PLA still went up to fight, alone. Speaking of helps, without China and USSR's massive aid, Vietnam would never win the wars against France and US.

 

[cochine]

That's why you Viets are famous as treacherous ungrateful untrustworthy snakes ! No incident ! You can always deny China provided any aid to you and you were number one in the world, you Viets defeated the Yankees and French alone ! Also, I dare you proud Viets not to import and use any Chinese made Covid 19 vaccines now as you people don't need Chinese vaccines because you despise Chinese and Chinese products so much ! You shameless ungrateful yet proud Viets don't deserve China's help to provide Covid 19 vaccines to save your lives ! Further, don't import any Chinese made products to your country to use if you Viets have real guts. Instead, you Viets should ask your sugar daddy Yankees to give you Covid 19 vaccines to save your lives and other daily products to use !

Don't forget that Viet has defeated on France, American and Chinese in time of war from 1945 t0 1980.

Most of Vacin dose we bought from free market. 90 million Vietnamese is injected totally 196 million dose. The next step is for children under 12 year old.

The historic lession for us is that no permit depend to anny one in this world.

 

[vi-va]

Stop lying and fabrication about such data. In fact Viennam won on USA aggression is that the thank for help from Soviet Union and other socialist coutries. We don't depended on China "help". We do know well about smuggler mentalites of Chienese. Onday china said thet there is "volunty help", nextday you caculated like idiot smuggler !.

For what China did in time of Vietnam war ? is just for that China can shook hands with American and negociate with Amarican, invited Nixon to Peking and to eat with them !

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Betrayer, backstabbing, never lack of excuse.

You think Sam won't crush you without China deterrence?

Explain, why the hell, Americans troops never crossed 17th parallel north on the ground during the entire Vietnam War?

 

[etylo]

Don't forget that Viet has defeated on France, American and Chinese in time of war from 1945 t0 1980.

Most of Vacin dose we bought from free market. 90 million Vietnamese is injected totally 196 million dose. The next step is for children under 12 year old.

The historic lession for us is that no permit depend to anny one in this world.

Yeah, besides being ungrateful, you Viets are also famous for being hubris too, you don't get what I said before, do you ? If you Viets have any real sense of pride and decency left in you, you people should not have asked for any donations and buys of Chinese Covid 19 vaccines from China to save your lives because you Viets consider China as Vietnam's sworn enemy and you Viets despise Chinese and Chinese products so much as I know your attitude from your comments on previous posts ! Simple as that, period !

 

[cochine]

They came first, we reciprocated, diplomatic protocol practiced by every country.

Base on diplomatic habit, without of official invitation, the visit will considered as personel visit, there is not such official ceremoy look like this.

Betrayer, backstabbing, never lack of excuse.

You think Sam won't crush you without China deterrence?

Explain, why the hell, Americans troops never crossed 17th parallel north on the ground during the entire Vietnam War?

Chinese people is brainwashed by such lies. USA didn't care about such big mouth slogan, like china said USA is paper tiger, but you kneed before USA in Peking like he is your father.

stop talking here such jokes, people in the world look down at chinese in the time of Mao dictatorship.

 

[beijingwalker]

Base on diplomatic habit, without of official invitation, the visit will considered as personel visit, there is not such official ceremoy look like this.

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Chinese people is brainwashed by such lies. USA didn't care about such big mouth slogan, like china said USA is paper tiger, but you kneed before USA in Peking like he is your father.

stop talking here such jokes, people in the world look down at chinese in the time of Mao dictatorship.

It was drafted by Kissinger and Zhou enlai during Kissinger's secret visits to China, Nixon badly wanted to come to China and he wanted an invitation from China, Kissinger and Zhou drafted this invitation together word by word, basically Nixon wanted to invite himself to China, go and check out his autobiography.

Chinese people is brainwashed by such lies. USA didn't care about such big mouth slogan, like china said USA is paper tiger, but you kneed before USA in Peking like he is your father.

stop talking here such jokes, people in the world look down at chinese in the time of Mao dictatorship.

Military History Online - Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Best turn it into a bigger warIm afraid you really ought to send more troops to the SouthDont be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most its no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.[1]
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a third rate military power like North Vietnam? This is the logical question that many historians have asked and attempted to answer since the Second Vietnam War ended in April 1975 with the fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese tanks.

This Chinese military support, to include equipment, advisors and planning assistance, provided from 1949-1975, would prove in both the First and Second Indochina Wars to be decisive. This substantial military support would give the Peoples Army of Vietnam an edge to resist Western forces and eventually subjugate the Republic of South Vietnam. This support, for various reasons, has never really been acknowledged by most popular histories of the conflict. This is perhaps due to the fact that such acknowledgement of the massive Chinese military support provided challenges many cherished myths of Vietnamese Communist military brilliance and the heroic struggle against overwhelming western imperialists. Two recent histories bear this out. Case in point A Military History of China, edited by David A. Graff makes no mention of Chinese support for Vietnam while Bruce A. Ellemans Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989, dismisses Chinese support in a mere two sentences.[3] However, unless this decisive Chinese support is properly understood by students of both Vietnam wars the answer to the question of why North Vietnam won will remain incomplete and misunderstood. This paper will attempt to outline the Chinese communist support in both wars and explain exactly why this support was so decisive.


China communist Party and North Vietnam power signed up agreements about PLA sent troops to Vietnam fight against American imperialist in 1965. At the same year, PLA send air defensive missile force, air defensive artillery, engineering force, railways troops, sweep mine team and shipping fleet and so on support North Vietnam. And carried on battle and supported tasks.

Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

 

[vi-va]

Base on diplomatic habit, without of official invitation, the visit will considered as personel visit, there is not such official ceremoy look like this.

View attachment 820770



Chinese people is brainwashed by such lies. USA didn't care about such big mouth slogan, like china said USA is paper tiger, but you kneed before USA in Peking like he is your father.

stop talking here such jokes, people in the world look down at chinese in the time of Mao dictatorship.

I swear, I should never ever reply to trolls.
On my ignore list.

 

[cochine]

You can not deny that Nixon visite is not offical visite. Kissinger and Zhou both was state offical officiers of the country related. In the welcoming ceremony there was PLA troope anf China PCR state flage. By the meetting USA flag anf PRC flages was there.

China helped Vietnam in Vietnam war, but help from Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries was much more biger with modern weapons what has effected in the battles with Amarican soldier in battles fields.

It was drafted by Kissinger and Zhou enlai during Kissinger's secret visits to China, Nixon badly wanted to come to China and he wanted an invitation from China, Kissinger and Zhou drafted this invitation together word by word, basically Nixon wanted to invite himself to China, go and check out his autobiography.


Military History Online - Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Best turn it into a bigger warIm afraid you really ought to send more troops to the SouthDont be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most its no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.[1]
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a third rate military power like North Vietnam? This is the logical question that many historians have asked and attempted to answer since the Second Vietnam War ended in April 1975 with the fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese tanks.

This Chinese military support, to include equipment, advisors and planning assistance, provided from 1949-1975, would prove in both the First and Second Indochina Wars to be decisive. This substantial military support would give the Peoples Army of Vietnam an edge to resist Western forces and eventually subjugate the Republic of South Vietnam. This support, for various reasons, has never really been acknowledged by most popular histories of the conflict. This is perhaps due to the fact that such acknowledgement of the massive Chinese military support provided challenges many cherished myths of Vietnamese Communist military brilliance and the heroic struggle against overwhelming western imperialists. Two recent histories bear this out. Case in point A Military History of China, edited by David A. Graff makes no mention of Chinese support for Vietnam while Bruce A. Ellemans Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989, dismisses Chinese support in a mere two sentences.[3] However, unless this decisive Chinese support is properly understood by students of both Vietnam wars the answer to the question of why North Vietnam won will remain incomplete and misunderstood. This paper will attempt to outline the Chinese communist support in both wars and explain exactly why this support was so decisive.


China communist Party and North Vietnam power signed up agreements about PLA sent troops to Vietnam fight against American imperialist in 1965. At the same year, PLA send air defensive missile force, air defensive artillery, engineering force, railways troops, sweep mine team and shipping fleet and so on support North Vietnam. And carried on battle and supported tasks.

Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

You can not deny that Nixon visite is not offical visite. Kissinger and Zhou both was state offical officiers of the country related. In the welcoming ceremony there was PLA troope anf China PCR state flage. By the meetting USA flag anf PRC flages was there.

China helped Vietnam in Vietnam war, but help from Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries was much more biger with modern weapons what has effected in the battles with Amarican soldier in battles fields.

Note that we did known that China had secret meeting with USA in Warsaw in 1968. PLA logistic trooppes were requested that to lieve Vietnam as soon as possible.

 

[etylo]

You can not deny that Nixon visite is not offical visite. Kissinger and Zhou both was state offical officiers of the country related. In the welcoming ceremony there was PLA troope anf China PCR state flage. By the meetting USA flag anf PRC flages was there.

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China helped Vietnam in Vietnam war, but help from Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries was much more biger with modern weapons what has effected in the battles with Amarican soldier in battles fields.


You can not deny that Nixon visite is not offical visite. Kissinger and Zhou both was state offical officiers of the country related. In the welcoming ceremony there was PLA troope anf China PCR state flage. By the meetting USA flag anf PRC flages was there.

China helped Vietnam in Vietnam war, but help from Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries was much more biger with modern weapons what has effected in the battles with Amarican soldier in battles fields.

Viet fool, just to make some points clear. Foremost, you can not dismiss the importance of close geopolitics and close proximity that Vietnam and China shared during the wars against both USA and France. As much as you don't want to admit, but, without China's crucial role that deterred and limited Yankees army from crossing 17 th parallel into North Vietnam to fight Vietnam army, without the crucial Chinese army engineers and troops' works on the ports, railroads and roads that ensured Vietnam army's supply lines secured, without the crucial Chinese army missiles and artilleries air defence troops that relentlessly defended and ensured Vietnam's important military and civilian assests from being bombed and destroyed by Yankees air force, without China's crucial support as Vietnam's dominating immediate giant neighbour that served as Vietnam's vast rear defense and that also made all the logistics of easy and continuous quick transport of supplies of resources and weapons from China and the Soviet to Vietnam possible, and without China's crucial and tremendous support in providing Vietnam the military and economic aids needed during the war, Vietnam would never had won the war against US Yankees, period ! Plus, without crucial Chinese army's help in weapons especially artilleries, battle strategy and plans, soldiers training and military commanding advisors, the Vietnamese army would never being able to defeat the French army at the crucial battle of Dien Bien Phu and later the whole of Vietnam, period ! Don't be that ungrateful ! @cochine, @beijingwalker

 

[beijingwalker]

You can not deny that Nixon visite is not offical visite. Kissinger and Zhou both was state offical officiers of the country related. In the welcoming ceremony there was PLA troope anf China PCR state flage. By the meetting USA flag anf PRC flages was there.

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China helped Vietnam in Vietnam war, but help from Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries was much more biger with modern weapons what has effected in the battles with Amarican soldier in battles fields.


You can not deny that Nixon visite is not offical visite. Kissinger and Zhou both was state offical officiers of the country related. In the welcoming ceremony there was PLA troope anf China PCR state flage. By the meetting USA flag anf PRC flages was there.

China helped Vietnam in Vietnam war, but help from Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries was much more biger with modern weapons what has effected in the battles with Amarican soldier in battles fields.

Note that we did known that China had secret meeting with USA in Warsaw in 1968. PLA logistic trooppes were requested that to lieve Vietnam as soon as possible.

Many Vietnamese troops were regroupped , rest and trained in China after being beaten hard and went back to continue the fight after re equipped and refreshed in Guangxi and Yunnan provinces. China was Vietnamese army's great logistic rear, did Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries help Vietnam with those?