Why? Six years on from the invasion of Afghanistan

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and as far your engineers well that could have been bulit by our Engineers in only 3 months if there was peace in Afghanistan.

And who is responsible for there being no peace in Afghanistan? NATO? Well you could very well lay the finger on the ones fighting them.
Face it, afghanistan never really had true peace.It seems the people were always interested in fighting amongst themselves.After the soviets left, there was no foreign power to drive off from afghanistan.Yet there was no peace. Don't tell me the afghans aren't even a little bit responsible for their current plight (With lots of help from the arab fanatics ofcourse)

 

[Officer of Engineers]

which pipleline are you talking about.

If TAP than Sir you need to spare sometime and read the news.

Sorry, my fault. I expect everyone to see what I see. There are no permits meaning that they didn't even do a geological survey to see where is the best place to put that line.

And Great Powers game for what ??? if what im thinking than its still on right ?

If you mean keeping the Russians out, yeah, it's still on.

lolz Sir come on
Than where he was treated for Kidneys

Don't tell me you believed that crap.

From CNN.com - Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA links hogwash - Aug 24, 2006

I thought bin Laden was seriously ill with kidney problems. If so, how is he getting his medication and is he on dialysis in any form?
John Hatington, Stratford, Connecticut

BERGEN: This is sort of wishful thinking. Bin Laden has got some chronic health problems, but none of them are life-threatening. He certainly doesn't have kidney disease, because he'd be dead by now if he did.

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If it's true that bin Laden once worked for the CIA, what makes you so sure that he isn't still?
Anne Busigin, Toronto, Canada

BERGEN: This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery.

The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.

That bridg is also constructed by US for her own intrests and not the Afghan Government and for the delay blam presence of yor army there and years' of mess created by your governments in the past and still is adding to it.

1st of all, Jana, you're a smart cookie, try to remember that my allegiance is to Canada.

2ndly, what is your point? I don't care if the tooth fairy is to be blamed. Doesn't change the fact the pipeline ain't being built. You can dance all around that fact all you want, blaming everything under the sun for all I care, does not change one iota that the pipeline ain't being built.

and as far your engineers well that could have been bulit by our Engineers in only 3 months if there was peace in Afghanistan.

Only if you knew who is the freaking idiot to be bribed. The job was done by the USArmy Corps of Engineers and it is the very fact that it is a military operation that things were done the way it was AFTER trying to get the civilians to do it. Alot of convoys were escourted through by armed force. Otherwise, the entire thing would've been held up by checkpoints are every 10 kms or so.

And if that was the case why not your government provided US Engineers to bulit that that too under the guard of thousands of NATO forces, if your government is so keen to liberate and develop Afghanistan.

My engineers were in Khandahar providing clean water to the locals. And in case you've forgotten, let me remind you. My engineers belong to the 1st Combat Engineers Regiment.

Now, nice diversion from the real fact that you've shown nothing about that pipeline being built and don't throw a whole bunch of hocus pocus into this. The Americans could care less about that pipeline. They have their money in the Canadian oil sands.

 

[roadrunner]

That point was reached $20 per barrel ago.

Not sure what you mean

I've fought the fvcks in Yugoslavia. What are the odds that they won't go next door?

Most likely they would just go back to Afghanistan. If they're cornered they'll just head off to Somalia. I'd actually like to see it happen, since then the Afghan WoT can relocate to somewhere else.

A pipeline that will never be built serves no one.

I don't understand why you say this. You think it's not going to be built? Everyone is signing deals at official level, it would serve Pakistan well to have a second pipeline. I don't know much about the geological survey that the US company would have done, but that doesn't prove there will be no pipeline built. The work on building has only just been announced with the contractto the US company.

And who is responsible for there being no peace in Afghanistan? NATO? Well you could very well lay the finger on the ones fighting them.
Face it, afghanistan never really had true peace.It seems the people were always interested in fighting amongst themselves.After the soviets left, there was no foreign power to drive off from afghanistan.Yet there was no peace. Don't tell me the afghans aren't even a little bit responsible for their current plight (With lots of help from the arab fanatics ofcourse)

It's a Game that is Great. There have been periods of stability during Afghan history. But there's a lot of countries that have interests in it. Afghanistan is an unnatural country anyway imo, the Tajiks want complete control even though they're a minority.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Not sure what you mean

It is now more than profitable to go for the oil sands. Real crude will always be cheaper than synthetic crude but availability is the question.

Most likely they would just go back to Afghanistan. If they're cornered they'll just head off to Somalia. I'd actually like to see it happen, since then the Afghan WoT can relocate to somewhere else.

Violence in your country says something else.

I don't understand why you say this. You think it's not going to be built? Everyone is signing deals at official level, it would serve Pakistan well to have a second pipeline. I don't know much about the geological survey that the US company would have done, but that doesn't prove there will be no pipeline built. The work on building has only just been announced with the contractto the US company.

Only three brigades are actively evicting the Taliban from their holdings and more often than not, the same ground had to be taken several times, mainly because the ANP is too corrupt and ineffective to hold onto their gains. Until that situation is reversed, no one is going to build any pipe.

 

[roadrunner]

It is now more than profitable to go for the oil sands. Real crude will always be cheaper than synthetic crude but availability is the question.

Oil prices will go down pretty soon though. It went up to 30+ dollars, but was as low as $12. Bitumen might be the thing to use when crude oil prices are sent rocketing, but it won't be a permanent solution. Soon enough crude will stabilize below the profitability mark for oil sands, so you could expect a circle. But the US could never ignore crude and use Bitumen products as a substitute. I don't know why the article i quoted (which seems quite reliable), mentions the structure of Bitumen differs markedly from crude. Either way, it's another Iraq War conspiracy that one could see.

Violence in your country says something else.

If NATO pulls out of Afghanistan, it would be easier for them to migrate into that failed state because they would not have any armies coming at them. If Pakistan can keep them under a leash tight enough, and NATO the same in Afghanistan, they'd soon move to fresher pastures.

Only three brigades are actively evicting the Taliban from their holdings and more often than not, the same ground had to be taken several times, mainly because the ANP is too corrupt and ineffective to hold onto their gains. Until that situation is reversed, no one is going to build any pipe.

It's true that ground is made in Afghanistan and then lost. If you're into conspiracy theories, then Al Q will not attack any pipeline. The Taliban might, but if they're brought on board in the government they might not. Forgetting conspiracy theories, I'd expect the coalition to do what it did in Iraq. Protect the oil fields (read TAP pipeline here), and not much else.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Oil prices will go down pretty soon though. It went up to 30+ dollars, but was as low as $12. Bitumen might be the thing to use when crude oil prices are sent rocketing, but it won't be a permanent solution. Soon enough crude will stabilize below the profitability mark for oil sands, so you could expect a circle. But the US could never ignore crude and use Bitumen products as a substitute. I don't know why the article i quoted (which seems quite reliable), mentions the structure of Bitumen differs markedly from crude. Either way, it's another Iraq War conspiracy that one could see.

What has that got to do with availability? Canadian oil sands are readily available. The Afghan pipe line is only in people's imaginations.

If NATO pulls out of Afghanistan, it would be easier for them to migrate into that failed state because they would not have any armies coming at them. If Pakistan can keep them under a leash tight enough, and NATO the same in Afghanistan, they'd soon move to fresher pastures.

I'm lost here. Are you saying in order for Pakistan to succeed against her "Taliban" insurgency, NATO has to win? Because that is not the impression I've got from you before.

It's true that ground is made in Afghanistan and then lost. If you're into conspiracy theories, then Al Q will not attack any pipeline. The Taliban might, but if they're brought on board in the government they might not. Forgetting conspiracy theories, I'd expect the coalition to do what it did in Iraq. Protect the oil fields (read TAP pipeline here), and not much else.

But we're not. Read the Canadian, British, and Dutch dispatches. Our job is hunting Taliban, not security. That's the job of the ANP.