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Why 'secular' Narendra Modi bashers must be ignored

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Okay I understand you guys want development but at what cost?? Selling your souls to the devil? This man is a bigoted criminal. End of story. India is a secular country, it was built from the ground up with this ideal, it is in the constitution. Just because he has managed successful development in his stare doesn't mean he should be the PM of a country that is proud of its diversity.

Dont try to be oversmart. we are more secular what than u can ever be. thousands and thousands of farmers have commited sucide since mms has taken over, no such incident took place in gujrat. mms is more devil because if the corruption wasent there like in guj. thousands of lifes could have been saved. have u ever watched any debate on modi on times now or ibn7, muslims of guj. themselves say that they love modi and owe a lot to him and want him as pm. shahi imam of guj. says that, vastanvi says that. modi is the need of the hour and he is more secular than this congress.
 
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@mech
@Bang Galore
@Prometheus

The mistake is yours. You are trying to oppose the hysteria of this right-wing lunatic fringe with reasonable arguments. They don't want reasonable arguments. They want an end to pseudo-secularism, which is code for stop pampering the Muslims; either they behave and toe the line given to them by the great gurus Savarkar and Golwalkar, or they are butchered and burnt alive. That's all they deserve, because right through the 12th and 13th centuries, other murderous adventurers who were also Muslim butchered Hindus. It's payback time, and your arguments are just confusing the issue.

That's also why this equation game goes on. It's OK to murder Muslims, and to use the instruments of state power to do it, because the Congress did just the same thing in 84. If the Congress hadn't committed this ethnic genocide, it would have been necessary to invent the episode, so that Modi's murderous betrayal of his constitutional oath when taking office could be justified, as is being justified now. Two wrongs make a right in their book, and nothing you say is going to penetrate their indoctrinated consciousness.

It's also OK to accept Gujarat state government propaganda as the living truth, the word according to scripture, despite numerous concerned voices pointing out that between hype and reality there is a wide gulf, because that in the eyes of the SanghParivar and its fellow-travellers, wipes out the crime of genocide immediately. India needs development, not democracy, and Modi is giving a part of India development; of course he is, he is saying so himself, isn't he? and never mind democracy. There is always a child-like belief within each of us that it is the other guy who will be the victim of discrimination, never I, and that is what drives the right-wing lunatics; they are all sure that they are such self-evident assets to society that they will endure and survive any kind of dictatorship and authoritarian rule that may come about, so let's have that rule. Someone else will have to pay, after all, not they.

For similar reasons, everybody else is on the wrong side of history. It's obvious to them that the pseudo-secularism of the Congress, which is clearly a fact of life, has to be replaced, not with genuine secularism as in France, but with the one-sided oppression of the minorities that has been the hallmark of BJP governments everywhere: in Orissa, in Chhatisgarh, where they couldn't have bargained for the tight slap in the face that they got from the Supreme Court, in Madhya Pradesh, in Karnataka, and - need anyone add? - Gujarat, which is now a toxic state. And in spite of that , these teeny-boppers think that they will get a better bargain in Modi and his collection of gaol-birds.

Anyone who doesn't agree with this political programme is either a pseudo-secularist Congress supporter, or a leftist; there is no room in their political analysis for liberals, none whatsoever. Nobody talked to them about liberals; they don't know how to react, so like the dumb examination candidate who had memorised an essay on the cow and was asked to write about admirals, they point out that admiral sounds like animal, cows are animals, and here follows an useful and instructive essay on the cow. Right. No liberals, please; we don't recognise those animals, so please come forward as a Congressman or as a leftist, or even a Muslim will do, Pakistani or otherwise; you are then fair game.

There must be a reason for this. My own theory is that the reason for our virulent form of Hinduism, that is so hugely different from the universal, confident version that Vivekananda and others of his epoch preached, is a feeling of vulnerability and uncertainty that has crept into Hindus. This feeling is fanned, deliberately, to keep people of such nervous and insecure mental dispositions always inclined to search for a saviour in the Man on Horseback of allegory, a masterful, strong figure who will set all wrongs right, with neither mental nor physical effort required of the people. Just read the majority of the posts and the picture emerges clearly. It is the insecurity in this generation which needs to be assuaged. They need a father-figure, somebody who picks them, kisses their bruises, assures them that they will get jobs without half trying, because the world will flood India with jobs due to sheer gratitude for the magnificence of Indian civilisation, that they will get the most modern, most shiny new weapons and quell Pakistan and China with these bright, shiny toys, and, of course, needless to add, in a bitter reversal of the comical Pakistani position of earlier years, it is no longer one Pakistani soldier equal to ten Indians; the boot is now on the other foot, pseudo-secularists have been chased away, and it is now safe to say that one Indian soldier is equal to ten Pakistanis - and you can throw in four or five Chinese as well.

Raman's initial appreciation of the situation is a pathetic piece of apologising for a murderer who is losing his ground one inexorable court judgement at a time, but it is being given far too much air by our local fascist babas, who think that the answer to Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Baba is not the power of the people exercised responsibly but their replacement by Mohan Uncle and by NaMo Bhaiyya or Varun Baba.

Inevitably anything that you say, for that matter, this post, will be received by howls of outrage. The invective and sneering has begun. Without doubt it will continue; there is no substance in their stands to substitute for those ad hominem attacks. Personally, rather than respond to each childish rejoinder, it seems to me to be better to accumulate the bile until tomorrow morning and answer them together.
 
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@ joe

Respected sir,
I am not supporting congress ( i know they are pseudo seculars)............but that cannot be a reason to insult the god damm it MMS.
What he has done to hurt hindus?
About Narender modi.........I wish we had a leader like him in Punjab
 
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@ joe

Respected sir,
I am not supporting congress ( i know they are pseudo seculars)............but that cannot be a reason to insult the god damm it MMS.
What he has done to hurt hindus?
About Narender modi.........I wish we had a leader like him in Punjab

What is wrong with you ?
What does anyone disliking MMS has to do with him being a hindu ?
Man ure such a communal guy.
I hate MMS for being a a puppet and a disgraceful leader. What does this has to do with the fact that im a hindu.

why so much hate against Hindus ?
I think the only reason you are supporting this Puupet guy is becoz he is a sikh.. is it so...??

Honestly speaking all these guys here who are bad mouthing BJP and NAmo, have this hatred against BJP only becoz of their insecurities for being ruled like a party that is not pseudo-secular.
One crap guy earlier said that Hindus want BJP to come into power, let me tell you, if that was the case, BJP would have already come into power by now.

It is not BJP tht is communal, it is you guys who have this communal worm in your mind, its you who are sick in ure minds.
 
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Its still better than being looted of by lakhs crores of rupees :hitwall:

A medical college built by govt. for Rs 2100 crore ........given on lease for 99 years ( read sold) for 125 crore (that also in instalments )

I dont smell looting .........do you???

The famous haveli dhabha of jalandhar bought (against will of onwer) by non-corrupt NDA leaders ( they are NDA they cant be corrupt) form just 5 crore( everyone can have that much money............even non-corrupt NDA walas)
A property of over 50 crores bought for 5 crores...........now thats the exellent use of state power.......good administration
That poor owner starter his new restraurent ( read J9) and non-corrupt leaders of NDA are forcing fines on that new restraurent.

And how about communal riots in punjab.........( we are getting that each year now..........) allmin the exellent rule of NDA
 
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@ joe

Respected sir,
I am not supporting congress ( i know they are pseudo seculars)............but that cannot be a reason to insult the god damm it MMS.
What he has done to hurt hindus?
About Narender modi.........I wish we had a leader like him in Punjab

you did not understand joe shearer's post. If you read through, you will notice the obvious sarcasm. His stance is against the BJP, i think. Infact i think hes opposed to all existing parties.

Read again. Respond.
 
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One crap guy earlier said that Hindus want BJP to come into power, let me tell you, if that was the case, BJP would have already come into power by now.

I agree. Besides the fact that the Hindu vote is highly fragmented, unlike the Muslim one thanks to the legacy carried forward by the Indian National Congress from the days of the partition.

It is not BJP tht is communal, it is you guys who have this communal worm in your mind, its you who are sick in ure minds.

I agree once more. This predominantly political discussion was about the merits and demerits of one leader against another, one party/ideology against another. Until it took a particularly bilious communal turn. But then this is India, we are Indians, and it takes all kinds to make a great nation.
 
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I think some of you are too pro modi & some are too devoted to MMS.I think both have + & - points.
MMS is highly educated & has a close friendship with world leaders & is respected in the WEST.
NaMo is determined & steadfast.

I can't say now who is going to win in 2014.
 
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What is wrong with you ?
What does anyone disliking MMS has to do with him being a hindu ?
Man ure such a communal guy.
I hate MMS for being a a puppet and a disgraceful leader. What does this has to do with the fact that im a hindu.

why so much hate against Hindus ?
I think the only reason you are supporting this Puupet guy is becoz he is a sikh.. is it so...??

Honestly speaking all these guys here who are bad mouthing BJP and NAmo, have this hatred against BJP only becoz of their insecurities for being ruled like a party that is not pseudo-secular.
One crap guy earlier said that Hindus want BJP to come into power, let me tell you, if that was the case, BJP would have already come into power by now.

It is not BJP tht is communal, it is you guys who have this communal worm in your mind, its you who are sick in ure minds.

Oh yaaaa .......i am also a pseudo - secular now.
Care to read the ram kahani written by the Joe???

BS........

Why so much hate against hindus...........are you kidding me????

Hahahahahaha

Which standard you are in kid???

I have communal worm in my mind...........hahahahaha

You got me.........i am the biggest communal person here.....

See I hate everyone........may it be hindus ,christians;muslims,ravi dasiyas

---------- Post added at 05:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:58 PM ----------

you did not understand joe shearer's post. If you read through, you will notice the obvious sarcasm. His stance is against the BJP..lol....

Read again. Respond.

It was too long.............lol
 
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@ joe

Respected sir,
I am not supporting congress ( i know they are pseudo seculars)............but that cannot be a reason to insult the god damm it MMS.
What he has done to hurt hindus?
About Narender modi.........I wish we had a leader like him in Punjab

You did. His name was Pratap Singh Kairon. He was brutal and effective, but finally it was his brutality for which he paid a price. Look him up and think carefully before you wish for something; you might get it.
 
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Manmohan saved the country back in 91 . He has not taken any rash or imprudent action. End result- we have the upper hand in international politics.
 
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Oh yaaaa .......i am also a pseudo - secular now.
Care to read the ram kahani written by the Joe???

BS........

Why so much hate against hindus...........are you kidding me????

Hahahahahaha

Which standard you are in kid???

I have communal worm in my mind...........hahahahaha

You got me.........i am the biggest communal person here.....

See I hate everyone........may it be hindus ,christians;muslims,ravi dasiyas

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It was too long.............lol

Do not resort to these funny reply when your bluff has been called.
U said
What he has done to hurt hindus?
What does me disliking MMS ahs to do with the fact with me being a hindu.I or anyone else didnt bring MMs's religion into discussion.
YOu did.
Why are u guys hellbent to make this hindus vs non-hindus, when clearly there is no need of that.
You guys are communals, and no sugar coating would work.
 
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BJP governement is one of the best govermnement india has ever seen...............But it still remains that the party is still under the cluthes of RSS and other hard core hidutva groups............
 
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