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Why Romania had to ban Holocaust denial twice



By Adam Taylor July 27
on Wednesday, meaning that public denial of the systematic slaughter of Jews by Nazi Germany, along with a number of other offenses, would now be punishable by up to three years in prison.

The move earned praise from the World Jewish Congress, an international federation of Jewish communities and organizations. “We congratulate President Iohannis for his strong stand against fascism, anti-Semitism and racism,” WJC President Ronald Lauder said in a statement on Thursday. “Only by fighting Holocaust denial and fascism at the highest levels can a nation effectively counter the troubling spread of anti-Semitism across Europe."

Romania is far from the only country to put in place laws that explicitly ban Holocaust denial. A large number of European nations, including Germany and France, have laws that prohibit Holocaust denial, as does Israel. However, looking over the list of countries that have banned Holocaust denial, you might discover something surprising: Romania had already banned Holocaust denial in 2002.

So why exactly would a country ban Holocaust denial twice? The answer to that question shows some of the difficulties that lie behind enforcing such measures.

In 2002, Romania's government pushed through legislation, known as Emergency Ordinance No. 31/2002, that stated that public denial of the Holocaust could be punishable by up to six years in prison. The ordinance had been created, in part, as a reaction to a growing movement to rehabilitate Gen. Ion Antonescu, a pro-fascist dictator who had overseen the deaths of about 280,000 Jews and 11,000 Roma people during the war — more than any other country except Germany. Antonescu was executed as a war criminal in 1946.

Despite Antonescu's role in these deaths, by the early 2000s, streets had been renamed and statues erected in his honor as Romania struggled to rediscover its national identity after decades of harsh communist rule, during which fascist organizations had been banned and World War II history distorted and suppressed. An anti-Semitic Romanian group that existed until 1941, the Iron Guard, also was reevaluated and celebrated by some groups.

In 2003, Romania's Ministry of Public Information even told the Associated Press: "We firmly claim that within the borders of Romania between 1940 and 1945 there was no Holocaust," though the statement was swiftly withdrawn.

In response to international criticism from Jewish groups, Romania's government, then led by the center-left Social Democratic Party (PSD), drew up the ordinance. In 2005, the country set up an institute, led by Nobel winner Elie Wiesel, to examine Romania's role in the Holocaust. Despite these moves, there were concerns from a variety of groups that there had been little actual change. As early as 2002, groups that monitor anti-Semitism in Romania warned that Emergency Ordinance No. 31/2002 "lies forgotten in the drawers of the Parliament commissions." A report from the Wiesel institute published a few years later noted that "Holocaust denial literature continues to be published and sold freely."

Paul Shapiro, director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Mandel Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies, says part of the problem was that the 2002 ordinance was "vague" and couldn't stop groups from denying the Holocaust or publicly using the symbols of World War II fascists. Another major issue was a disagreement in Romania over what constituted Holocaust denial. “Most Romanians believe the Holocaust happened, but many still think Romanians did not perpetrate it,” Liviu Rotman, a historian at the University of Bucharest, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency last year. “To them it was the Hungarians or the Germans, but never Romanians, despite a wealth of evidence.”

Far-right Romanian politicians attempted to change the wording of the 2002 ordinance so it referred only to the acts committed by Nazi Germany. Even mainstream politicians tripped up: In 2012, Dan Sova, a spokesman for the PSD, said in a TV interview that “no Jew suffered at the hands of Romanians” during the Holocaust, despite the findings of the Wiesel commission clearly stating otherwise. Sova was sent to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum to learn about Romania's role in the Holocaust.

Last week's amendment was drafted with the help of the D.C.-based museum and Wiesel's commission. Shapiro feels that it represents a true shift in the nation. Noting that, unlike the 2002 ordinance, the 2015 law cleared parliament, Shapiro says "it really is quite striking" because not so long ago Romania "could easily have been labeled a total denial country." The new law not only specifically outlaws the use of fascist symbols from World War II, but it also makes clear that Romania's role in the Holocaust should be acknowledged.

"We've seen a commitment to ensure that civil leadership and military leadership of the country understands the reality of the Holocaust and the Holocaust in Romania," Shapiro says.

It is remarkable that 70 years after the Holocaust, denial of the state-sponsored persecution and murder of million of Jews — and others — by the Nazis and their collaborators still exists. Yet there's also considerable disagreement over the logic behind bans on Holocaust denial. Such bans are incompatible with the concept of freedom of speech, for example, and even in countries such as France where Holocaust-denial laws have been on the books for some time, the measures remain controversial. Given concerns about rising levels of anti-Semitism in Europe, these are fraught debates.

The Romanian example may show that even where these laws exist, they have to reflect the appropriate local context. Shapiro believes Romania is on the right path now, but he has concerns about Hungary, which officially bans Holocaust denial but still allows far-right parties such as Jobbik to flourish.
 
What about the famous " Human Rights" and "Freedom of speech" thingy ?
How can a developed democracy BAN something like freedom of expression? o_O
 
Lol - West talks about freedom of speech and then does not practice it in their own countries!
 
There was no Holocaust in Romania.
Really?
https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/pdf/IuliaPadeanu_The Holocaust in Romania.pdf
History of the Jews in Romania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yad Vashem - Request Rejected

What about the famous " Human Rights" and "Freedom of speech" thingy ?
How can a developed democracy BAN something like freedom of expression? o_O
Are you talking about Romania?

Lol - West talks about freedom of speech and then does not practice it in their own countries!
It does, just in a more sohpisticated manner than simpletons can comprehend.
 
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There was a Holocaust in Romania, mainly in Basarabia,

Thing is, nobody cares and this law doesn't change anything simply because everyone will ignore it like they did the first one. A non-solution for a non-problem.
 
As they say banning a first time didn't do the trick, this time around a bigger carrot was probably used.
 
There was a Holocaust in Romania, mainly in Basarabia,

Thing is, nobody cares and this law doesn't change anything simply because everyone will ignore it like they did the first one. A non-solution for a non-problem.


A Holocaust in Romania means that all the Jews in the country were targeted for extermination which simply didn't happen.The Jews in Basarabia and Romanian occupied territories such as Odessa/Transnistria were targeted because many of them colaborated with the Bolsheviks.In Romania proper there were pogroms,especially during the brief time when the legionaires were in power but afterwards the Romanian state didn't have an elimination program for them like Nazi Germany and many survived the war unharmed.....hence...no Holocaust in Romania.
 
Are you talking about Romania?

Well they do claim democracy right?
Plus you can take the comments in general terms as well, not for Romania in particular if you want to.
 
A Holocaust in Romania means that all the Jews in the country were targeted for extermination which simply didn't happen.The Jews in Basarabia and Romanian occupied territories such as Odessa/Transnistria were targeted because many of them colaborated with the Bolsheviks.In Romania proper there were pogroms,especially during the brief time when the legionaires were in power but afterwards the Romanian state didn't have an elimination program for them like Nazi Germany and many survived the war unharmed.....hence...no Holocaust in Romania.

Consider the numbers The Number of Jews Killed During the Holocaust by Country
Country / Pre-war Jewish Population / Estimated Murdered / as percent

Austria 185000 50000 27,0%
Belgium 66000 25000 37,9%
Bohemia/Moravia 118000 78000 66,1%
Bulgaria 50000 0 0,0%
Denmark 8000 60 0,8%

Estonia 4500 2000 44,4%
Finland 2000 7 0,4%
France 350000 77000 22,0%
Germany 565000 142000 25,1%
Greece 75000 65000 86,7%
Hungary 825000 550000 66,7%
Italy 44500 7500 16,9%
Latvia 91500 70000 76,5%
Lithuania 168000 140000 83,3%
Luxembourg 3500 1000 28,6%
Netherlands 140000 100000 71,4%
Norway 1700 762 44,8%
Poland 3300000 3000000 90,9%
Romania 609000 270000 44,3%
Slovakia 89000 71000 79,8%
Soviet Union 3020000 1000000 33,1%
Yugoslavia 78000 60000 76,9%
Total: 9793700 5709329 58,3%

If romania's prewar population was 609,000 and 270,000 of those (44%, comparable to Estonia and Norway) died during the war, then one can't very well maintain the above argument. Essentially the suggestion would be that 1 in 3 Romanian Jews collaborated with the Bolsheviks.

See also Demographics of Romania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population of Romania according to ethnic group in 1930
Jews 728,115 = 4.0%
Population of Romania according to ethnic group 1948–2011
Jews 138,795 = 0.9%

Therefore, essentially:
1930 728115
1939 609000
exit 119115 (-16,4% over 9 years)

1939 609000
1948 138795
exit 470205 (- 77,2% over 9 years)

And no, these didn't all migrate to Palestine/Israel post WW2 (as the numbers show)
Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine (1517-Present) | Jewish Virtual Library

The Holocaust
The Iron Guard
Between the establishment of the National Legionary State and 1942, 80 anti-Jewish regulations were passed. Starting at the end of October, 1940, the Iron Guard began a massive antisemitic campaign, torturing and beating Jews and looting their shops (see Dorohoi Pogrom), culminating in the failed coup and a pogrom in Bucharest, in which 120 Jews were killed.[63] Antonescu eventually stopped the violence and chaos created by the Iron Guard by brutally suppressing the rebellion, but continued the policy of oppression and massacre of Jews, and, to a lesser extent, of Roma.
Antonescu's régime
After Romania entered the war at the start of Operation Barbarossa atrocities against the Jews became common, starting with the Iași pogrom - on June 27, 1941, Romanian dictator Ion Antonescu telephoned Col. Constantin Lupu, commander of the Iași garrison, telling him formally to "cleanse Iași of its Jewish population", though plans for the pogrom had been laid even earlier - 13,266 Jews, according to Romanian authorities, were killed in July 1941.
In July–August 1941, the yellow badge was imposed by local initiatives in several cities (Iași, Bacău, Cernăuți). A similar measure imposed by the national government lasted only five days (between September 3 and September 8, 1941), before being annulled on Antonescu's order.[64] However, on local initiative, the badge was still worn especially in the towns of Moldavia, Bessarabia and Bukovina (Bacău, Iași, Câmpulung, Botoșani, Cernăuți, etc.).[65]

According to the Wiesel Commission report released by the Romanian government in 2004, Romania murdered in various forms, between 280,000 to 380,000 Jews in Romania and in the war zone of Bessarabia, Bukovina and in the Transnistria Governorate.[66][9] Until 2004, when researchers made numerous documents publicly available, many in Romania denied knowledge that their country participated in the Holocaust.[67] In 1941, following the advancing Romanian Army after Operation Barbarossa, and, according to Antonescu propaganda, alleged attacks by Jewish (Resistance groups of Soviet partisans - for Antonescu, all Jews were communists, see Odessa massacre), Antonescu ordered the deportation to Transnistria, of all Jews of Bessarabia and Bukovina (between 130,000 and 145,000), who were considered en masse "Communist agents" by the official propaganda. "Deportation" however was a euphemism, as part of the process involved killing many Jews before deporting the rest in the "trains of death" (in reality long exhausting marches on foot) to the East. Of those who escaped the initial ethnic cleansing in Bukovina and Bessarabia, only very few managed to survive "trains" and the concentration camps set up in the Transnistria Governorate. Further killings perpetrated by Antonescu's death squads (documents prove his direct orders[citation needed]) targeted the Jewish population that the Romanian Army managed to round up when occupying Transnistria. Over one hundred thousand of these were in massacres staged in such places as Odessa, Bogdanovka, Akmecetka in 1941 and 1942.
Antonescu did halt deportations despite German pressure starting with October 1942,[68] as he began to seek peace with the Allies, although at the same time he levied heavy taxes and forced labor on the remaining Jewish communities. Also, sometimes with the encouragement of Antonescu's regime, thirteen boats left Romania for the British Mandate of Palestine during the war, carrying 13,000 Jews (two of these ships sunk, and the effort was discontinued after German pressure was applied).

Half of the estimated 270,000 to 320,000 Jews living in Bessarabia, Bukovina, and the former Dorohoi County in Romania were murdered between June 1941 and the spring of 1944. After a wave of random initial killings, Jews in Moldavia were subject to pogroms, while those in Bessarabia, Bukovina and Dorohoi were concentrated into ghettos from which they were deported to concentration camps in the Transnistria Governorate, including camps built and run by Romanians. Romanian soldiers also worked with the German Einsatzkommando to massacre Jews in conquered territories east of the Romania's 1940 border. The total number of deaths is not certain, but even the lowest respectable estimates run to about 250,000 Jews (plus 25,000 deported Romani, of which half perished). At the same time, 120,000 Northern Transylvanian Jews were deported to Auschwitz by Hungary and died in concentration and extermination camps. Also, Antonescu's government made plans for mass deportations from the Regat to Belzec, but never carried them out.

Nonetheless, in stark contrast to many countries of Eastern and Central Europe, the majority of Romanian Jews (if restricted to rump Romania, outside the territories occupied in 1940 by Hungary and the Soviet Union) survived the war, although they were subject to a wide range of harsh conditions, including forced labor, financial penalties, and discriminatory laws. The number of victims, however, makes Romania count as, according to the Wiesel Commission, "Of all the allies of Nazi Germany, [responsible] for the deaths of more Jews than any country other than Germany itself".

History of the Jews in Romania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Well they do claim democracy right?
Plus you can take the comments in general terms as well, not for Romania in particular if you want to.

Romania ranks 43 on this 2014 Democracy Ranking, as compared to e.g. Norway (1), Netherlands (6), Germany (8), Belgium (10), UK (13), France (15), Spain (18), Portugal (19), Italy (28), Poland (30), Cezch Republic (31), Slovak Republic (35), Hungary (36), Greece (41), and Bulgaria (42).
http://democracyranking.org/wordpress/ranking/2014/data/Scores_of_the_Democracy_Ranking_2014_a4.pdf
Global Democracy Ranking – Democracy Ranking 2014
also Democracy Barometer
 
Romania ranks 43 on this 2014 Democracy Ranking, as compared to e.g. Norway (1), Netherlands (6), Germany (8), Belgium (10), UK (13), France (15), Spain (18), Portugal (19), Italy (28), Poland (30), Cezch Republic (31), Slovak Republic (35), Hungary (36), Greece (41), and Bulgaria (42).
http://democracyranking.org/wordpress/ranking/2014/data/Scores_of_the_Democracy_Ranking_2014_a4.pdf
Global Democracy Ranking – Democracy Ranking 2014
also Democracy Barometer

OH Ok,
in a list of some 150 countries!!
Right!
AND i just noticed that we are at 109 :P

Anyway, that is not the point. The point was it is a surprise that nations can ban and allow and encourage in name of freedom of speech, no matter what different one calls it, the fact remains that there are double standards. Not that i complain about them, there country there rules, just pointing out the irregularity!
 

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