Why Quetta tragedy is not sectarian in nature?

[Pksecurity]

Successive attacks on a particular minority, both ethnic and religious, living in Quetta raises so many disturbing questions. The fundamental questions are; is it ethnic cleansing of Hazaras, are they being targeted for belonging to a religious minority, do they pose as a threat to terrorists or a hurdle in the terrorist attacks and deserve to be eliminated so terrorists can hit at will? Incidentally, Hazaras are a peaceful community which they have demonstrated in spite of worst form of persecution. Since they do not pose a threat to even mainstream religious and social groups, their killing does not make any sense. According to available information, Hazaras are a Persian-speaking people who mainly live in central Afghanistan. They are overwhelmingly Shia Muslims and comprise the third largest ethnic group of Afghanistan, forming about 16% (according to other sources up to 22%) of the total population. More than 650,000 Hazaras live in neighboring Pakistan (mostly settled in Quetta) and an estimated one million in Iran. Literacy level among the Hazara community in Pakistan is relatively high and they have integrated well into the social dynamics of the local society. Saira Batool, a Hazara woman was one of the first female pilots in Pakistan Air Force. Other notable Hazara include Qazi Mohammad Esa, General Muhammad Musa, who served as Commander in Chief of the Pakistani Army from 1958 to 1968 and Air Marshal(r) Sharbat Ali Changezi.
The question is; then why Hazaras are being massacred? To find an answer to this question, we will have to look at the geo-political situation and the proxy war being fought in Pakistan by various powers. Before we start the analysis, let us make it very clear that Hazara massacre is not a sectarian clash as witnessed in other parts of the country; though players of sectarian games may be at the center of this unfortunate massacre.
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[Spring Onion]

Many reasons combined for cause of different terrorist organisations/groups


1. For BLA terrorists its a cleansing of Hazaras in Quetta leaving the field open for demographic change in Balochistan as BLA is already killing the other big group .i.e Pukhtuns.

2. For LJ/SSP its cleansing of Pakistani shias as these terrorist groups are minting money on same pretext from not only Saudi Arabia but other bugheads as well.

3. For TTP its another target for pressurising Pakistan and Pakistan Army.

all in all these all Terror groups have found a common cause for seperate interests.

Hence Its time for Pakistanis to unit and stand with our shia brothers and sisters.

fk the terrorists

 

[doppelganger]

Why is it difficult for Pakistan to call in the army and once and for all crush these terrorists or separatists?

India has done it. Sri Lanka has done it. Myanmar has done it. Nepal has done it. Why cannot Pakistan do it?

This seems to be going on forever now. Its no longer sporadic. I have been reading and seeing on TV news about killings in Pakistan since I was in school. A whole generation has gone by.

What do the Pakistanis feel? Where are you going wrong?

 

[Spring Onion]

Why is it difficult for Pakistan to call in the army and once and for all crush these terrorists or separatists?

India has done it. Sri Lanka has done it. Myanmar has done it. Nepal has done it. Why cannot Pakistan do it?

This seems to be going on forever now. Its no longer sporadic. I have been reading and seeing on TV news about killings in Pakistan since I was in school. A whole generation has gone by.

What do the Pakistanis feel? Where are you going wrong?

Why doesnt India call army and air power once and for all to resolve Maoist trouble in NE?

you must have some reason and we have that same reason.

in case of Pakistan we have many apologists in form of fake HR organisations NGOs and etc etc who go bonkers over any such idea of bringing army against terrorists.

 

[doppelganger]

Why doesnt India call army and air power once and for all to resolve Maoist trouble in NE?

That is a fair question. But the mayhem and killing by the maoists is largely checked and on the wane. Even at its peak in the hinterlands of Maharashtra, MP, AP, Orissa and Jharkhand, the killings never spread to local civilian populace. The fight was always away from the public eye in the jungles between the maoists and our paramilitary forces.

I have no doubt that if they start bringing the killing into civilian centers and the frequency and intensity becomes even a fraction of what you guys are suffering, the army will be called in. We have called the army in during our worst riots. We have called the army in for the Khalistan problem. We had called the army in for the Kashmir insurgency.

 

[haviZsultan]

Many reasons combined for cause of different terrorist organisations/groups


1. For BLA terrorists its a cleansing of Hazaras in Quetta leaving the field open for demographic change in Balochistan as BLA is already killing the other big group .i.e Pukhtuns.

2. For LJ/SSP its cleansing of Pakistani shias as these terrorist groups are minting money on same pretext from not only Saudi Arabia but other bugheads as well.

3. For TTP its another target for pressurising Pakistan and Pakistan Army.

all in all these all Terror groups have found a common cause for seperate interests.

Hence Its time for Pakistanis to unit and stand with our shia brothers and sisters.

fk the terrorists

Another angle that is often ignored is the Jundullah angle. Do note that BLA, BRA, BLF and Jundullah all have exactly the same agendas in any case. Jundullah however is also a sunni extremist organization that targets Shias in Iran while at the same time wants freedom for Sistan-Balochistan. Other groups obviously sympathize with the Jundullah militant group as their goal is the same as BLA and groups on our side. They too want an independent Balochistan. So the bombing could very well be done by them and may be part of the extermination campaign of Pashtuns and Hazaras.

Also TTP has been pretty quiet in Quetta. It uses LEJ as a veritable arm instead to spread havoc. I hope more arrests take place and more target killers are killed or arrested. We have a conviction rate of only 4% by the way.

Btw this is another manifestation of the fact that there is a lot in common between Iran and Pakistan and both face similar issues. We could work together on the issue but Pakistanis fear Iran because they are Shias.

 

[Solomon2]

Why did @Pksecurity change the article title?

 

[Spring Onion]

Another angle that is often ignored is the Jundullah angle. Do note that BLA, BRA, BLF and Jundullah all have exactly the same agendas in any case. Jundullah however is also a sunni extremist organization that targets Shias in Iran while at the same time wants freedom for Sistan-Balochistan. Other groups obviously sympathize with the Jundullah militant group as their goal is the same as BLA and groups on our side. They too want an independent Balochistan. So the bombing could very well be done by them and may be part of the extermination campaign of Pashtuns and Hazaras.

Also TTP has been pretty quiet in Quetta. It uses LEJ as a veritable arm instead to spread havoc. I hope more arrests take place and more target killers are killed or arrested. We have a conviction rate of only 4% by the way.

Btw this is another manifestation of the fact that there is a lot in common between Iran and Pakistan and both face similar issues. We could work together on the issue but Pakistanis fear Iran because they are Shias.

Jandullah is quiet and outsider in scheme of BLA/BRA/TTP/SSP/LJ. and is almost dead.

it finds occasional support from international bigger players against Iran.

 

[OrionHunter]

Why is it difficult for Pakistan to call in the army and once and for all crush these terrorists or separatists?

India has done it. Sri Lanka has done it. Myanmar has done it. Nepal has done it. Why cannot Pakistan do it?

Because there are those so called 'good terrorists' and 'bad terrorists'. The former are the PA's 'strategic assets' as Kyani himself admitted. But you can't forever be running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. And good terrorists can turn ugly at the drop of a hat! Confusion confounded, what?

 

[muse]

It's a silly premise - Saudi Arabia's entire basis of hostility towards Iran is sectarian, always has been - if read the original piece the author so much as states just this, but of course read it for yourselves and judge:

This is where the Saudi strategic interests figure in. Saudi Arabia has been Iran’s traditional adversary. These adversarial relationships were under wraps prior to 1979 when both the countries were America’s Cold War allies but these adversarial relationships intensified after Iran was ruled by religious clergy whose religious beliefs are opposed to those of Saudi Arabia[/B]. Both the countries have not fought any war so far but they are in proxy war since 1979. Saudi Arabia does not approve of Pakistan’s close relations with Iran and tries to drive wedge between the two neighboring countries. Increased attacks on Hazaras of Balochistan and other Shia pilgrims by pro-Saudi extremists outfits is a clear indication that Saudi Arabia can go to any limit to teach Pakistan a lesson for its Iran relations.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why doesnt India call army and air power once and for all to resolve Maoist trouble in NE?

you must have some reason and we have that same reason.

in case of Pakistan we have many apologists in form of fake HR organisations NGOs and etc etc who go bonkers over any such idea of bringing army against terrorists.

There are few or no Maoists in the North East.

You should sharpen your counter-attacks to reflect reality. That might draw blood.

 

[Spring Onion]

It's a silly premise - Saudi Arabia's entire basis of hostility towards Iran is sectarian, always has been - if read the original piece the author so much as states just this, but of course read it for yourselves and judge:

i believe the secterian color had been added both by Iran and KSA for settling their historical Arab-Persian wars. Back at that time it was not secterian neither Iran was Muslim or for that matter shia nor Arabs were Muslims or for that matter sunnis.

again its combining two factors for different cause.

There are few or no Maoists in the North East.

You should sharpen your counter-attacks to reflect reality. That might draw blood.

Sir the Maoist trouble or NE trouble is now decades old and if what you said was the case you would not have this trouble even after few decades.

 

[muse]

i believe the secterian color had been added both by Iran and KSA for settling their historical Arab-Persian wars. Back at that time it was not secterian neither Iran was Muslim or for that matter shia nor Arabs were Muslims or for that matter sunnis.

again its combining two factors for different cause.

Why reach for such a conclusion - back then there was no Saudi Arabia that was Wahabi - Don't take my word for it, just research what Wahabism teaches about Shi'ism and Takfir -- Once Iran enter the world stage as an Islamic Republic, the Saudi ambition of winng for itself and it's Wahabi ideology the title of leader of Islam was threatened -- It's as simple as that. What the emergence of Iran as an Islamic republic did was it has forced Wahabism to come under scrutiny, the mo money the Saudis spend, the more aware Muslims become of their ideology,. the more the opposition to them grows

 

[doppelganger]

Because there are those so called 'good terrorists' and 'bad terrorists'. The former are the PA's 'strategic assets' as Kyani himself admitted. But you can't forever be running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. And good terrorists can turn ugly at the drop of a hat! Confusion confounded, what?

I have read about this good terrorist, bad terrorist stratagem. But surely an terrorist who kills Pakistanis or targets the Pakistani state or forces must be considered a bad terrorist and eliminated?

 

[Joe Shearer]

i believe the secterian color had been added both by Iran and KSA for settling their historical Arab-Persian wars. Back at that time it was not secterian neither Iran was Muslim or for that matter shia nor Arabs were Muslims or for that matter sunnis.

again its combining two factors for different cause.



Sir the Maoist trouble or NE trouble is now decades old and if what you said was the case you would not have this trouble even after few decades.

Heh.

The Maoist trouble is not in the north east, and if you are really interested, I could write you a small note on the subject.

The north-east problem is not a Maoist problem.