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Why public transit in US is so awful?

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US urban sprawl is all about suburbia, with like 50 suburban areas or more around a city, and with bigger sprawl stretching for many sq. miles and with low density population, the public transit cannot be connected with such low density population like one small suburbia has 1000 homes, the next with 2000 homes is about 30 miles apart, so the cost is prohibitive and public transport is not feasible and sustainable.
 
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The public transport networks of Islamabad will definitely be expanding but the problem is the pace at which they are expanding. This article gives a little hope:

New mass transit for capital on the cards

Top official says service aims to provide superior and affordable transport facilities to citizens
Zulfiqar Baig | April 26, 2023

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A metro bus comes to a terminal after the resumption of the service on Wednesday. PHOTO: EXPRESS

ISLAMABAD: Under the vision of Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif, city managers have started thrashing out an inclusive and a comprehensive plan to provide modern and full-fledged mass transit service to the citizens of Islamabad and its surrounding areas.
Sources said that the latest public transport system will be introduced in Islamabad by 2024. After this, the people of Islamabad will have good quality and comfortable transport service with affordable fares.

The metro bus service between Rawalpindi and Islamabad and the red, ornage, green and blue lines intra-city buses are already providing much relief to the people facing inflation and increasing fuel costs, 200 buses will be run on the 13 routes initially under the new mass transit service, top officials said.

Officials sources said that the prime minister, soon after coming to power, inaugurated a metro bus service from Peshawar Mor to the New Islamabad International Airport and he wanted to cover more routes and destinations under the new mass transit service.

The sources said that now, the government is introducing the Silver Line on the under-construction IGP Road, the Green Line from T Chowk Rawat to the Islamabad airport, up to Murree Expressway to Margalla Road and from Margalla Road to Taxila.

According to the sources, on the directives of Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, city managers have put together a plan to launch the new transit bus service. The prime minister will lay the foundation of the transport project very soon, they said.

According to the sources, the public transport project, which has been prepared with the help of experts from a top university in the capital, will have 13 routes initially and it will be expanded over time.

Under the project, Route-1 will be from Police Foundation to Faiz Ahmed Faiz Station, Route-2 from Allama Iqbal University to Pothohar Station, Route-3 be from Shifa International Hospital to I/8 Markaz, Route-4 from PIMS Hospital to Embassy Road via G-7, G-6, Melody Market, NADRA stop, Route-5 from D-12 to G-10, Route-6 from F-11 to F-8 Markaz, Route-7 from G-11, G-10, G-9 and G8 Markaz.

Similarly, Route-3-A will be from PIMS Hospital to Secretariat via Jinnah Super Market and Super Market, Route-3-B from Aabpara to Taramri Chowk, Nilore and up to Khana Bridge, Route-9 will be from Pirwidhai Chowk to Faizabad, IJP Road, Route-10-B will be from 17 to 26 Number Chungi, Route-11 will be from I/16 to 26 Number Chungi.

Sources said since the metro bus service operating between the twin cities and on some routes in Islamabad was providing affordable and quality travel facilities to the residents of city areas, there was a dire need to expand the project and provide modern transport facilities to the residents including women and students of far-off areas, who have to change two to three vehicles to reach their destination.

Red, orange, blue and green lines witness a flood of passengers and travellers daily which calls for its expansion to cover more areas and destinations, officials said.

The metro bus service is covering 22.5 kilometres from Islamabad Pak Secretariat to Rawalpindi Sadar. The orange line is covering 25.6-km area from the Peshawar Mor interchange to the Islamabad airport, The green and blue lines introduced in July 2022 cover intra-city routes. This mass transit has an e-ticketing system. The red line is run by the Punjab Mass Transit Authority while the remaining services are run by the Capital Development Authority (CDA).

Passengers enjoy the facility of the modern buses after every five minutes and of the shuttle service at after 25 minutes.

The officials said that work on new metro bus stations on the motorway was also under way for the facilitation of the citizens.

According to CDA Chairman Noorul Amin Maingal, providing comfortable and low-priced transport service to the masses was their mission. In the first phase, he said, work on important highways and roads will be completed on an emergency basis.

Talking to The Express Tribune, he said that after the completion of IJP Road, the Islamabad Expressway, Margalla Road and the Bhara Kahu Expressway, a new public and mass transit will be introduced on these routes. “The transport network will be upgraded under the one-link, one-transport programme. The citizens of Islamabad will enjoy the latest facilities of transport by 2024,” he said.

Sources said that under the proposed mass transit project, modern air-conditioned buses would be run on the routes to ferry thousands of commuters including women, students and office goers daily.

A large number of people including students travel within the city areas and its suburbs but owing to the non-availability of decent transportation, they have to face a lot of difficulties as they have to change two to three buses or vans to reach their destinations.

The proposed mass transit will also help do away with the monopoly of private transporters, the officials said.

they are add-ons to make up for BS planning, which they havent been able to yet. its still very much a car centric city. these busses are plying only on expressways and highways, not on internal roads of sectors
 
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Islamabad currently has a metro bus service between Rawalpindi and Islamabad and the red, orange, green and blue lines intra-city buses. However, this is far from enough, Islamabad's public transport networks need to be greatly expanded.

American MRT systems are a joke even compared to the MRT systems being used in India let alone Chinese MRT systems.

CNBC's analysis is very fair. The US needs to get its sh*t together and start developing world-class public transport systems like the rest of the developed world. Leftists like you should be protesting about the lack of public transport systems in the US.

Of course, I am not talking about small cities. I am talking about metropolises like LA, Chicago and Houston etc. Warsaw has less than half the population of LA and its population density is slightly lesser than LA's but its public transport network is vast. Warsaw has an extensive bus and tram system crisscrossing the city as well as an excellent metro system running from north to south and a second line that goes from east to west. Over 1,900 buses operate in and around the city,

The tiny city of Copenhagen has 1 million fewer people than Houston and its population density than Houston's and yet its public transport networks are vast. The S-train network is the backbone of Copenhagen's public transport system. It consists of several lines (A, B, C, E, F, and H) that connect the city center with its suburbs and neighbouring towns. The S-trains are frequent, reliable, and run from early morning until late at night, making them a popular choice for daily commuters. Copenhagen has an extensive driverless metro system with two lines: M1 (green line) and M2 (yellow line). The metro connects major areas within the city and is especially useful for quick and efficient travel between the city center and the outer districts. The city bus network covers virtually every part of Copenhagen, making it easy to reach destinations not directly served by trains or metro. Copenhagen is surrounded by water, and the harbour buses (Havnebusser) offer a unique way to get around the city. These water buses connect different areas along the waterfront, providing an enjoyable and scenic means of transportation.

Dublin is another European city that has a similar population density to Houston. DART(Dublin Area Rapid Transit) is an electrified suburban rail service that runs along the coast of Dublin, connecting the city center with coastal areas like Howth, Malahide, and Bray. Dublin's tram system, LUAS, consists of two lines: the Green Line and the Red Line. The Green Line connects Sandyford in the south with Broombridge in the north, passing through the city center. The Red Line connects The Point (near Dublin's Docklands) with Tallaght and Saggart in the southwest. LUAS offers a fast and efficient way to travel through the city and has interchanges with both DART and Dublin Bus services. Dublin Bus operates an extensive bus network that covers the entire city and its suburbs. With numerous routes and frequent services, Dublin Bus is a popular mode of transport for daily commuting and getting around the city.

I can keep on giving more examples and please don't tell me that the people of Warsaw, Copenhagen and Dublin can't afford cars.
That's something I really enjoy when traveling in Europe and wish we had in US, easy access to trains that run on time/frequent and connect to most places, the rest of the way can be easily walked.

Was in Amsterdam last summer, went around the whole city on train and walked the rest. No need to rent a car, drive or even hail a cab. All very convenient.

There is a reason why americans are the most obese out of all the western/industrialized nations
 
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The public transport networks of Islamabad will definitely be expanding but the problem is the pace at which they are expanding. This article gives a little hope:

New mass transit for capital on the cards

Top official says service aims to provide superior and affordable transport facilities to citizens
Zulfiqar Baig | April 26, 2023

View attachment 941409
A metro bus comes to a terminal after the resumption of the service on Wednesday. PHOTO: EXPRESS

ISLAMABAD: Under the vision of Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif, city managers have started thrashing out an inclusive and a comprehensive plan to provide modern and full-fledged mass transit service to the citizens of Islamabad and its surrounding areas.
Sources said that the latest public transport system will be introduced in Islamabad by 2024. After this, the people of Islamabad will have good quality and comfortable transport service with affordable fares.

The metro bus service between Rawalpindi and Islamabad and the red, ornage, green and blue lines intra-city buses are already providing much relief to the people facing inflation and increasing fuel costs, 200 buses will be run on the 13 routes initially under the new mass transit service, top officials said.

Officials sources said that the prime minister, soon after coming to power, inaugurated a metro bus service from Peshawar Mor to the New Islamabad International Airport and he wanted to cover more routes and destinations under the new mass transit service.

The sources said that now, the government is introducing the Silver Line on the under-construction IGP Road, the Green Line from T Chowk Rawat to the Islamabad airport, up to Murree Expressway to Margalla Road and from Margalla Road to Taxila.

According to the sources, on the directives of Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, city managers have put together a plan to launch the new transit bus service. The prime minister will lay the foundation of the transport project very soon, they said.

According to the sources, the public transport project, which has been prepared with the help of experts from a top university in the capital, will have 13 routes initially and it will be expanded over time.

Under the project, Route-1 will be from Police Foundation to Faiz Ahmed Faiz Station, Route-2 from Allama Iqbal University to Pothohar Station, Route-3 be from Shifa International Hospital to I/8 Markaz, Route-4 from PIMS Hospital to Embassy Road via G-7, G-6, Melody Market, NADRA stop, Route-5 from D-12 to G-10, Route-6 from F-11 to F-8 Markaz, Route-7 from G-11, G-10, G-9 and G8 Markaz.

Similarly, Route-3-A will be from PIMS Hospital to Secretariat via Jinnah Super Market and Super Market, Route-3-B from Aabpara to Taramri Chowk, Nilore and up to Khana Bridge, Route-9 will be from Pirwidhai Chowk to Faizabad, IJP Road, Route-10-B will be from 17 to 26 Number Chungi, Route-11 will be from I/16 to 26 Number Chungi.

Sources said since the metro bus service operating between the twin cities and on some routes in Islamabad was providing affordable and quality travel facilities to the residents of city areas, there was a dire need to expand the project and provide modern transport facilities to the residents including women and students of far-off areas, who have to change two to three vehicles to reach their destination.

Red, orange, blue and green lines witness a flood of passengers and travellers daily which calls for its expansion to cover more areas and destinations, officials said.

The metro bus service is covering 22.5 kilometres from Islamabad Pak Secretariat to Rawalpindi Sadar. The orange line is covering 25.6-km area from the Peshawar Mor interchange to the Islamabad airport, The green and blue lines introduced in July 2022 cover intra-city routes. This mass transit has an e-ticketing system. The red line is run by the Punjab Mass Transit Authority while the remaining services are run by the Capital Development Authority (CDA).

Passengers enjoy the facility of the modern buses after every five minutes and of the shuttle service at after 25 minutes.

The officials said that work on new metro bus stations on the motorway was also under way for the facilitation of the citizens.

According to CDA Chairman Noorul Amin Maingal, providing comfortable and low-priced transport service to the masses was their mission. In the first phase, he said, work on important highways and roads will be completed on an emergency basis.

Talking to The Express Tribune, he said that after the completion of IJP Road, the Islamabad Expressway, Margalla Road and the Bhara Kahu Expressway, a new public and mass transit will be introduced on these routes. “The transport network will be upgraded under the one-link, one-transport programme. The citizens of Islamabad will enjoy the latest facilities of transport by 2024,” he said.

Sources said that under the proposed mass transit project, modern air-conditioned buses would be run on the routes to ferry thousands of commuters including women, students and office goers daily.

A large number of people including students travel within the city areas and its suburbs but owing to the non-availability of decent transportation, they have to face a lot of difficulties as they have to change two to three buses or vans to reach their destinations.

The proposed mass transit will also help do away with the monopoly of private transporters, the officials said.

No public transport for productive cities like Sialkot, Faisalabad, Gujranwala but billions of PKR for Islamabad
How's this fair?
 
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That's something I really enjoy when traveling in Europe and wish we had in US, easy access to trains that run on time/frequent and connect to most places, the rest of the way can be easily walked.

Was in Amsterdam last summer, went around the whole city on train and walked the rest. No need to rent a car, drive or even hail a cab. All very convenient.

There is a reason why americans are the most obese out all the western/industrialized nations
Forget Amsterdam, even tiny cities like Helsinki have incredible public transport networks.

Your Small City Can Have More Transit | Helsinki



Helsinki is a city much smaller than your average North American major cities, but what it does have are multiple transit modes - metro, tram, commuter rail - that all work together to provide seamless transit for its residents - something we can learn a lot about.
 
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People of these cities continue to elect clowns. These people should be demanding public transport systems.
But people they elect don't have the authority nor funds to provide public transportation
It's provincial government not city/district level people
 
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But people they elect don't have the authority nor funds to provide public transportation
It's provincial government not city/district level people
If enough pressure is put on the representative by the people then the provincial government can be forced to do something about the public transport situation of the city.
 
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But people they elect don't have the authority nor funds to provide public transportation
It's provincial government not city/district level people
According to a senior official from the transport department, a comprehensive feasibility study is being conducted to introduce eco-friendly public transport in five cities across the province. Let's pray that we will get to see these plans materialize.
 
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Public transport is for poor people.

How is the average price of a bought car in USA vs China?
 
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