'Why Pakistan does not pay India back in the same coin?'

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I cant help you prepare for your history exam.

Why do you presume things?

- PRTP GWD

 

[Lt General]

Why do you presume things?

- PRTP GWD

I don't. Unless it is indispensable to do so.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Ask a Greek how they feel about FYROM calling itself "Macedonia", although I believe a compromise has been reached ( ?? @Dante80 ) and the nation is now Northern Macedonia and is dissociated from specific reference to Alexander of Macedon.

Many Pakistanis are alive to the fact that Hindustan has usurped the nomenclature surrounding the river Indus for its own p.r. purposes. It's potentially worse than that. Delhi may truly be deluded enough to believe it has some manifest destiny in terms of expansion over the Indus floodplain. Pakistanis are right to resist such soft attempts at false narrative construction. Not everything south Asian is to do with the nation state of "India", which itself is incorrectly named anyway.

A huge campaign by Indian American academics in USA was recently aimed at precisely this falsehood propagation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-36376110

Pakistanis, Lankans and Bangladeshis and Nepalese would rightly reject such narratives.

If the name is so dear to you, Pakistan should have fought against the name at the time of independence itself.

Anyway, India is present day India. We are proud of the name of our country. Of course, you can fight against the name in the courts if you wish.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

If the name is so dear to you, Pakistan should have fought against the name at the time of independence itself.

Anyway, India is present day India. We are proud of the name of our country. Of course, you can fight against the name in the courts if you wish.

As I understand, Jinnah was caught unawares that Bharat would keep the name "India". He was furious at this misappropriation. Unfortunately the deception of Nehru was irreversible by that stage.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

As I understand, Jinnah was caught unawares that Bharat would keep the name "India". He was furious at this misappropriation. Unfortunately the deception of Nehru was irreversible by that stage.

Yes, even I have read that. He could still have campaigned against that though. It's not our problem now.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Mention Ukraine, and Belarus and any other microscopic country but hide Kazakhstan equal in size to India. We see the bias here. Is it because Kazakhstan is Islamic? and you don't want greatness to be associated with Islam? Yes. Right.

Kazakhstan was not a member of the UN when it was part of the USSR. Ukraine and Belarus were members of the United Nations while they were part of USSR. Which is why USSR is different from being a country. I used that to show you that USSR was not a country. Nothing to do with Kazakhstan is Islamic or not.

 

[Laozi]

I'm a Madressah graduate. I can only answer questions I understand.

You're a graduate of this

You need to learn to formulate questions.

These guys want to move ahead in society using unfair means.

What is being done is considered wrong by people in general.

But I appreciate their efforts to be a part of civil society by all means.

All PIA pilots hold fake degrees still you let them fly. Then what is wrong if Indian students are cheating to get a genuine degree

 

[Lt General]

If the name is so dear to you, Pakistan should have fought against the name at the time of independence itself.

Anyway, India is present day India. We are proud of the name of our country. Of course, you can fight against the name in the courts if you wish.

The very idea of Pakistan is achieving tranquility for Muslims of Subcontinent, and goes against fighting unless Kashmir is failed. Should you do justice to Kashmir with Pakistan and people of Kashmir as its parties we wont find any time to studying you let alone fighting with you on anything.

That said, the maker of Pakistan was never mistaken to call it Hindu India (or Hindustan) in his speeches.

Speech at the Baluchistan Muslim League Conference, Quetta, July 3, 1943

.. I think myself that there is now no doubt that a solid majority of the Mussalmans have understood what Pakistan means. There is no doubt about it, but there are others who are misled by the agents of our opponents who deliberately act as quislings and fifth columnists and they puzzle some of our people. Now I put it before you. It does not require a great lawyer or a great constitutionalist, if you will apply your mind you will understand within a very short time what Pakistan means.

I have put questions to all sorts of our people, Mussalmans, on the country side, and at different gatherings, at railway stations, I have asked them what do you mean by Pakistan and I tell you that I was astonished at the Kisans and railway workers when they give me their answers. It is a common sense answer and quite sound. For instance I asked at one of the railway station at a gathering of nearly 500 people, what do you understand by Pakistan? The answer came from among those people one man said, "By Pakistan I understand that I do not want Central Government for the whole of India, it means Hindu Raj and the provinces where we are in a majority will be under the yoke of Hindus." When I said that what do you then want? He said "I want first where the Muslims are in majority, we should have our independent government nothing to do with the Centre of the Hindu India". I said what are those parts? He told me N.W. Zone, he mentioned the name, he said Sind, Baluchistan, Punjab, N.W.F.P and Bengal. Then I asked him because he was in the C.P. where Muslims are only 4 per cent, what will happen to you who are here 4 per cent. He said "it is my misfortune that I am born here let my brethren have their own Hukumat and let them at least be free. God will protect us here".

We do not wish ill to the Hindus, what we want. We say here is the British Government, they have made solemn declarations that they are willing to transfer power and they are willing either as one India or two Indias or more than two dominions if you agree among yourselves. We are willing to give the constitution to one or more dominions that you may agree upon which will make each dominion stand on the same equal footing as the other dominions including England and you will have the same rights and what is more each dominion so constituted will have the right to secede if they so decide. Pakistan means let Hindus have their Government in Hindu India and let us have our Government in Muslim India and let us both be free. The reply of the Hindu is no, no, we want the whole. Why do you want to rule the whole?
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We say to the Congress you represent the Hindus which is a fact and have your Hindustan and let us have our Muslim India-Pakistan. Let us live as good neighbours. In America, Europe and Asia how many states are there. Why does not the Continent of America have one government and mind you there are much less differences between these people like Canadian and other republics in South America. ...

I say it will be monstrosity, to suggest that Asia, Africa, Europe and America should have one Central Government for all these vast continents. It will be absolutely unnatural to put these various nations together because it will never work out but, it will be cock-pits of feuds and much more so will be the case in India, and I will say to the Hindus and the Congress, sooner you realise this the better. The quicker you realise, the quicker will be our progress. It is the Congress which is mainly responsible for holding up India's progress. Whole responsibility lies on them and so long as they have this dream of their boyhood and maintain it as aim of their manhood that they will establish a Hindu raj and strangle the hundred million of Muslims, so long they are postponing the progress and the freedom of this

 

[IceCold]

At the very least we should had let Sikhs open an office in Islamabad. I don't support PM Khan on rejecting this. He is turning out to be another wuss. Pakistan needs strong nationalist leader who has the balls to do the right thing. All current and previous leadership of Pakistan (political and military) lack the initiative. It's like we don't even have it in us anymore.

 

[Lt General]

All PIA pilots hold fake degrees still you let them fly. Then what is wrong if Indian students are cheating to get a genuine degree

An airline pilot can crash one plane. An uneducated Prime Minister crashes the entire country.

Kazakhstan was not a member of the UN when it was part of the USSR. Ukraine and Belarus were members of the United Nations while they were part of USSR. Which is why USSR is different from being a country. I used that to show you that USSR was not a country. Nothing to do with Kazakhstan is Islamic or not.

We understand why USSR was not a country. USA is not a country by the same measure. Nor is UK. Certainly not the EU. When you put U- there, it becomes a Union. For this reason, the proposal to call India by United States of India which otherwise looks very sexy to you guys but gets shot down it will fuel the separatist sentiments in the union members. But that's not the point.

The point is if UN membership is the basis a country can claim sovereignty, then Taiwan is part of China.

 

[Laozi]

An airline pilot can crash one plane. An uneducated Prime Minister crashes the entire country.

Very true, more so if someone has an Oxford degree and calls Japan and Germany as neighbours

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

An airline pilot can crash one plane. An uneducated Prime Minister crashes the entire country.



We understand why USSR was not a country. USA is not a country by the same measure. Nor is UK. Certainly not the EU. When you put U- there, it becomes a Union. For this reason, the proposal to call India by United States of India which otherwise looks very sexy to you guys but gets shot down it will fuel the separatist sentiments in the union members. But that's not the point.

The point is if UN membership is the basis a country can claim sovereignty, then Taiwan is part of China.

If you don't respond to my thread I will be back to fighting you.

- PRTP GWD

 

[KhanBaba2]

We understand why USSR was not a country. USA is not a country by the same measure. Nor is UK. Certainly not the EU. When you put U- there, it becomes a Union. For this reason, the proposal to call India by United States of India which otherwise looks very sexy to you guys but gets shot down it will fuel the separatist sentiments in the union members. But that's not the point.

And I tell you what's more practical. Countries, when they make or break do a reality check and change their names accordingly. USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia. East Pakistan named itself Bangladesh. But India is still India even after imploding. Burma renamed itself to Myanmar because it was called Burma under British rule.

Now that we know that USSR was not a country, should we talk about "USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia."

 

[Lt General]

Now that we know that USSR was not a country, should we talk about "USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia."

A colony is not a country which India was. After the historic change it went through it needed a reality check.

But no. Not only would India retain the name of its parent colony but would also include the names of territories that are parts of guess who?

This needs a soul searching.

Very true, more so if someone has an Oxford degree and calls Japan and Germany as neighbours

Modi can't face Imran Khan as Pakistan's PM in spite of that. Modi grew pale and fidgety having our health minister on video conference. Inferiority complex you know? Part of Hindu India's DNA and wanting a name that paints a larger than life picture of you guys.

If you don't respond to my thread I will be back to fighting you.

- PRTP GWD

Empathize with me for enjoying Eid, replies can wait.

 

[KhanBaba2]

A colony is not a country which India was. After the historic change it went through it needed a reality check.

But no. Not only would India retain the name of its parent colony but would also include the names of territories that are parts of guess who?

This needs a soul searching.



Modi can't face Imran Khan as Pakistan's PM in spite of that. Modi grew pale and fidgety having our health minister on video conference. Inferiority complex you know? Part of Hindu India's DNA and wanting a name that paints a larger than life picture of you guys.



Empathize with me for enjoying Eid, replies can wait.

Now that we know that USSR was not a country, should we talk about "USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia."

Let's stick to this statement first . And id Mubarak to you