Why Obama started bombing to protect Yazidi's but did nothing for Syrian Sunni's?

[kobenhaven]

Exactly, it is in American interests to keep them divided, so the Middle East can continue to be America's own personal playground.

When the Sunnis have the advantage, America will support the Shia, and vice versa. Like they did with Maliki in Iraq.

If you don't mind could you please enlighten us how China treats its muslim population, by not letting them fast in Ramazan or not find everything suspicious about a man having a beard ? West was and is really nice to muslims specially in west so what is your point vis a vis China ?

 

[Black Mamba1]

If someone whishes to worship Devil it is his personal issue. Who are you to oppose that or kill them? As God is "all powerful" let him punish them.

If tomorrow, Christialns or Hindus drecide that some other sects who are living in their country are "Devil Worshiper" according to them and decide that they deserve persecution---will you support them?

Value human life. In other way you may think that if God created them along with Muslims, there must be some purpose.

If someone whishes to worship Devil it is his personal issue. Who are you to oppose that or kill them? As God is "all powerful" let him punish them.

If tomorrow, Christialns or Hindus drecide that some other sects who are living in their country are "Devil Worshiper" according to them and decide that they deserve persecution---will you support them?

Value human life. In other way you may think that if God created them along with Muslims, there must be some purpose.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Well my post was removed.

As said before, Yazidi's follow an Evil black book they made themselves, they follow spirits, for that they were termed devil worshippers. Kurdish are Muslims...and Sunni Muslims like the great Salahuddin Ayubi types.

Further, I will give you more clarity on why Yazidis are Devils:

The Yazidi believe in God as creator of the world, which he has placed under the care of seven "holy beings" or angels, the "chief" (archangel) of whom is Melek Taus, the "Peacock Angel."
The Peacock Angel, as world-ruler, causes both good and bad to befall individuals, and this ambivalent character is reflected in myths of his own temporary fall from God's favor, before his remorseful tears extinguished the fires of his hellish prison and he reconciled with God. This myth builds on Sufi mystical reflections on the angel Iblis, who proudly refused to violate monotheism by worshipping Adam and Eve at God's express command. Because of this connection to the Sufi Iblis tradition, some followers of other monotheistic religions of the region equate the Peacock Angel with their own unredeemed evil spirit Satan / Devil, which has incited centuries of persecution of the Yazidi as "devil worshippers."

The Yezidi Black Book and the Yezidi Book of Revelations was written by western outsiders during the 1900's, also Yezidism is Not an Abrahamic religion. Melek Taus does not represent good and bad, Yezidis believe sin/bad come's within humans and did Not come from Melek Taus. The Yezidis also do not believe that Melek Taus never fell from God's favor, he shed his tears because of how sinful the Earth was.

Yezidis worship a single God and angels.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

except that Yazidis revere Tawûsê Melek for refusing to submit to God by bowing to Adam, while Muslims believe that Iblis' refusal to submit caused him to fall out of Grace with God, and to later become Satan himself.

That is because God, before creating Adam, commanded Melek Taus to only bow to him no one else. God telling the Angels to bow to Adam was a test for Melek Taus, which he passed by obeying Gods first commandment to him, and so God made Melek Taus the Leader of the Angels. Iblis and Melek Taus are not the same, why do you keep trying to compare the two religions?

 

[Asian.Century]

The Yezidi Black Book and the Yezidi Book of Revelations was written by western outsiders during the 1900's, also Yezidism is Not an Abrahamic religion. Melek Taus does not represent good and bad, Yezidis believe sin/bad come's within humans and did Not come from Melek Taus. The Yezidis also do not believe that Melek Taus never fell from God's favor, he shed his tears because of how sinful the Earth was.

Yezidis worship a single God and angels.

The god Yazidi worship is an evil spirit, they donot belief in the abrahamic religions. Please read carefully.

Furthermore why Yazidis are called Devil Worshippers in both Christian and Islamic beliefs, why ISIS want to 'purify' Iraq as opposed to Devil Worshipper American president protecting them and sending supplies:

The Yazidi story regarding Tawûsê Melek's rise to favor with God is almost identical to the story of the jinnIblis in Islam, except that Yazidis revere Tawûsê Melek for refusing to submit to God by bowing to Adam, while Muslims believe that Iblis' refusal to submit caused him to fall out of Grace with God, and to later become Satan himself.

Tawûsê Melek is often identified by Muslims and Christians with Shaitan (Satan). Yazidis, however, believe Tawûsê Melek is not a source of evil or wickedness. They consider him to be the leader of the archangels, not a fallen angel. They are forbidden from speaking the name Shaitan. They also hold that the source of evil is in the heart and spirit of humans themselves, not in Tawûsê Melek. The active forces in their religion are Tawûsê Melek and Sheik Adî.[citation needed]

The Kitêba Cilwe "Book of Illumination", which claims to be the words of Tawûsê Melek, and which presumably represents Yazidi belief, states that he allocates responsibilities, blessings and misfortunes as he sees fit and that it is not for the race of Adam to question him. Sheikh Adî believed that the spirit of Tawûsê Melek was the same as his own, perhaps as a reincarnation. He is reported to have said:

I was present when Adam was living in Paradise, and also when Nemrud threw Abraham in fire. I was present when God said to me: 'You are the ruler and Lord on the Earth'. God, the compassionate, gave me seven earths and throne of the heaven.

Most important:

Yazidi accounts of creation differ from that of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They believe that God first created Tawûsê Melek from his own (God's) illumination (Ronahî) and the other six archangels were created later. God ordered Tawûsê Melek not to bow to other beings. Then God created the other archangels and ordered them to bring him dust (Ax) from the Earth (Erd) and build the body of Adam.

Then God gave life to Adam from his own breath and instructed all archangels to bow to Adam. The archangels obeyed except for Tawûsê Melek. In answer to God, Tawûsê Melek replied, "How can I submit to another being! I am from your illumination while Adam is made of dust." Then God praised him and made him the leader of all angels and his deputy on the Earth. (This probably furthers what some see as a connection to the Islamic Shaytan, as according to the Quran, he too refused to bow to Adam at God's command, though in this case it is seen as being a sign of Shaytan's sinful pride.) Hence the Yazidis believe that Tawûsê Melek is the representative of God on the face of the Earth and comes down to the Earth on the first Wednesday of Nisan (April). Yazidis hold that God created Tawûsê Melek on this day, and celebrate it as New Year's Day. Yazidis argue that the order to bow to Adam was only a test for Tawûsê Melek, since if God commands anything then it must happen. (Bibe, dibe). In other words, God could have made him submit to Adam, but gave Tawûsê Melek the choice as a test. They believe that their respect and praise for Tawûsê Melek is a way to acknowledge his majestic and sublime nature. This idea is called "Knowledge of the Sublime" (Zanista Ciwaniyê). Şêx Adî has observed the story of Tawûsê Melek and believed in him.

Look at this mockery of religion:

Worshipers should turn their face toward the sun, and for the noon prayer, they should face toward Laliş. Such prayer should be accompanied by certain gestures, including kissing the rounded neck (gerîvan) of the sacred shirt (kiras). The daily prayer services must not be performed in the presence of outsiders, and are always performed in the direction of the sun. Wednesday is the holy day, but Saturday is the day of rest.There is also a three-day fast in December.

So clearly Yezidis are the Devil Worshippers, who donot believe in any God send religions !!!!

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

If someone whishes to worship Devil it is his personal issue. Who are you to oppose that or kill them? As God is "all powerful" let him punish them.

If tomorrow, Christialns or Hindus drecide that some other sects who are living in their country are "Devil Worshiper" according to them and decide that they deserve persecution---will you support them?

Value human life. In other way you may think that if God created them along with Muslims, there must be some purpose.

If someone whishes to worship Devil it is his personal issue. Who are you to oppose that or kill them? As God is "all powerful" let him punish them.

If tomorrow, Christialns or Hindus drecide that some other sects who are living in their country are "Devil Worshiper" according to them and decide that they deserve persecution---will you support them?

Value human life. In other way you may think that if God created them along with Muslims, there must be some purpose.

Yezidis do not worship the Devil.

The god Yazidi worship is an evil spirit, they donot belief in the abrahamic religions. Please read carefully.

I did and you contradicted yourself, so now you say that they worship and evil spirit, which it isn't, because they are not Abrahamic that they are automatically evil?

Yezidis do not worship sin nor do they worship a sinner, you even say so in your posts, so stop calling them evil and Devil Worshipers.

 

[Sage]

uk almost bombed syria ... they even had plan to arm groups like ISIS ..
thank god it was severly opposed by all parties here.

Arming and Bombing is something they do easily ...I was talking about Aid to the affected population ...

 

[wolfschanzze]

Becuase Yezidi didn't fire rockets into neighbouring country and provoke retaliation.
Besides they are a minority in world on the verge of extinction if someone didnt intervene,a group of people,religion lost forever due to constant genocide by muslims in past 800 years.
On the other hand there are plenty islamic nations who can take care of syrian sunnis.

 

[The SiLent crY]

Because Obama did not attack ISIL for Yazidis in first place .

He attacked ISIL to force them not to attack Erbil , where around 200 Americans are .

I think Obama will eventually force ISIL to focus on Syrian front .

 

[Kaniska]

More than 100,000 Syrian Sunni's were killed by Assad regime, but Obama did nothing. Didn't they deserve humanitarian protection from Assad's forces when the rebellion did not even start.

But when Yazidi's are victims suddenly Obama springs into action. Is it the Kurdistan and nearby oil fields being threatened? Or is it because they are non-Muslim and hence get greater sympathy and public support of the US and hence are a safer bet for Obama to save, keeping in mind that Obama is already accused of being a Muslim by right wing nuts.

Please don't get me wrong. I despise these IS terrorists, and I support bombing them out of existence. And I support 100% saving these defense less Yazidi's.

But I am just puzzled by Obama's actions, why the double standard. So fellow forumers, please present your views, if you may.

My impression is that US is not really much worried about Shia or Shunni....He cares where does its economic intrests are impacted and then it starts acting on those factos that impacts its economics...Unfortunately, it is people like you who would like to see everything from religion or Sect perspective which is not the case for US..

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Worshipers should turn their face toward the sun, and for the noon prayer, they should face toward Laliş. Such prayer should be accompanied by certain gestures, including kissing the rounded neck (gerîvan) of the sacred shirt (kiras). The daily prayer services must not be performed in the presence of outsiders, and are always performed in the direction of the sun. Wednesday is the holy day, but Saturday is the day of rest.There is also a three-day fast in December.

Prayers facing the sun was caused by syncretism by close contact with Zoroastrianism. They pray towards Lalis because they believed Sheikh Adi ibn Musafir was Melek Taus incarnate.

 

[sahaliyan]

Now you are coming to the heart of the matter. Sharing of power is key to stability, but these regions have no history of that. If you go back a little in history, you will find both Syria and Iraq were Ottoman provinces. My impression is that Ottomans were relatively moderate Sunni's, and they ruled over not just Arab Shia's but Arab Christians, Armenian Christians and East European Christians as well in the Balkan region. Yet, the Sunni as a majority was a dominant force in Ottoman empire and other groups as minorities did not have the upper hand. All of this changed when Ottoman fell and the land was divided up by the British and French in a secret agreement called Sykes-Picot:
Sykes–Picot Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So all this problem we see today started from that point in time, when the Ottoman land was broken up into arbitrary pieces according to the whim and convenience of the British and the French. Things became relatively stable over time. But fast forward to Iran's revolution in 1979 and rise of the theocratic Mullah's in power and they started a Shia uprising, unity and power grab in all of middle-east, using Arab Shia's. That is another more recent root of the much of the problem you see today.

For things to stabilize, two things need to happen:
- Arab world needs to integrate more and create a sort of union throughout Arab League with full consent and cooperation from Iran
- in order for Iran to cooperate in above, Iran needs to move away from its sectarian policies of trying to divide and rule the Arab world, so that Shia's remain as dominant powers as Iranian proxies in some of these countries, which is anathema to the majority Arab Sunni population

Till that happens, the region will continue to be plagued by conflicts.

Arabs don't have political power in Ottoman empire,all the high officials of this empire were Turks or people of Balkan origin,in reality,the Balkanis are more powerful than Arabs in politic and military of this empire.And what we talk is actually political power,because in both Syria and Iraq,no one force the Sunnis give up their faith,they are unhappy because no political power.
The ottoman rulers are sunnis,but Kurds are also Sunnis,how many Kurds support ISIS?Nearly zero.So it's not surprise the Arabs rebeled in WW I,there are reasons behind it(the British just use those,but not the reasons)

 

[kalu_miah]

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Arabs don't have political power in Ottoman empire,all the high officials of this empire were Turks or people of Balkan origin,in reality,the Balkanis are more powerful than Arabs in politic and military of this empire.And what we talk is actually political power,because in both Syria and Iraq,no one force the Sunnis give up their faith,they are unhappy because no political power.
The ottoman rulers are sunnis,but Kurds are also Sunnis,how many Kurds support ISIS?Nearly zero.So it's not surprise the Arabs rebeled in WW I,there are reasons behind it(the British just use those,but not the reasons)

The British and French promised the Arabs a single liberated Arab state, but in reality they partitioned and colonized Arab lands and gave permission to Zionists to settle. So essentially they fooled the Arabs and cheated with them and that historical wrong is still the source of the conflict:
Modern History of the Arab Countries by Vladimir Borisovich Lutsky 1969
Modern History of the Arab Countries by Vladimir Borisovich Lutsky 1969

"The Arabs were dissatisfied. Particularly were they indignant at the French authorities, who had pulled down all Arab flags in their zone, expelled the Arab governor from Beirut and forced the Arabs to evacuate Latakia and the northwestern regions of Syria which had been liberated by the Arab troops. In the hour of victory the Arabs realised that the Allies had no intention of fulfilling the McMahon-Husein Agreement or of setting up a united Arab state.

Though free at last from the Turkish yoke, they had been cheated of their long-awaited independence and fallen under the influence of the British and French colonialists. The end of World War I opened a new period in the history of the Arab people, a period of struggle against British and French imperialism for the complete national liberation of the Arab countries."​

Creating Chaos: Lawrence of Arabia and the 1916 Arab Revolt

"Britain's and France's conflicting promises and supercilious fabrication of "states" created deep mistrust and cynicism in Middle Easterners that persist to this day. For modern would-be state builders, the aftermath of the Arab Revolt clearly illustrates the impossibility of outsiders attempting to create or even "fix" inorganic states. As long as these artificial, colonial-created borders remain, there will be instability in the Middle East.

That legacy bodes ill for global security concerns as radicalized leaders—secular or religious, governmental or terrorist—seek ways to right historical wrongs. Indeed, the struggle has already set the stage for conflict in the 21st century, and poses one of the greatest security challenges of our time. Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait, as monstrous as it was, had historical grounds. More chilling, Osama bin Laden has specifically blamed the Sykes-Picot Agreement for breaking "the Islamic world into fragments." "​

 

[Fukuoka]

Are you joking? We all remember the Mc Anus troll mobilizing everybody at UN to bomb Syria, and he got the mandate finaly

Only Russia prevented the bombing of Syria. Now Russia doesn't prevent JEW USA from bombing zionist Al Qaeda, so why they don't do that?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

America makes the laws.

, hard for the UNSC to slap sanctions on a country that is one of the 5 veto members.

Exactly, so it is useless to say that a permanent member of the SC is breaking International Law unless
you have power to do something about it.
Russia invading Crimea is a good example. no resolution in the SC, but still sanctions on Russia.

As U.S. Strikes Continue in Iraq, Yazidis Still Need Safe Passage to Flee ISIS "Cleansing" Attacks | Democracy Now!


The British and French promised the Arabs a single liberated Arab state, but in reality they partitioned and colonized Arab lands and gave permission to Zionists to settle. So essentially they fooled the Arabs and cheated with them and that historical wrong is still the source of the conflict:
Modern History of the Arab Countries by Vladimir Borisovich Lutsky 1969
Modern History of the Arab Countries by Vladimir Borisovich Lutsky 1969

"The Arabs were dissatisfied. Particularly were they indignant at the French authorities, who had pulled down all Arab flags in their zone, expelled the Arab governor from Beirut and forced the Arabs to evacuate Latakia and the northwestern regions of Syria which had been liberated by the Arab troops. In the hour of victory the Arabs realised that the Allies had no intention of fulfilling the McMahon-Husein Agreement or of setting up a united Arab state.

Though free at last from the Turkish yoke, they had been cheated of their long-awaited independence and fallen under the influence of the British and French colonialists. The end of World War I opened a new period in the history of the Arab people, a period of struggle against British and French imperialism for the complete national liberation of the Arab countries."​

Creating Chaos: Lawrence of Arabia and the 1916 Arab Revolt

"Britain's and France's conflicting promises and supercilious fabrication of "states" created deep mistrust and cynicism in Middle Easterners that persist to this day. For modern would-be state builders, the aftermath of the Arab Revolt clearly illustrates the impossibility of outsiders attempting to create or even "fix" inorganic states. As long as these artificial, colonial-created borders remain, there will be instability in the Middle East.

That legacy bodes ill for global security concerns as radicalized leaders—secular or religious, governmental or terrorist—seek ways to right historical wrongs. Indeed, the struggle has already set the stage for conflict in the 21st century, and poses one of the greatest security challenges of our time. Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait, as monstrous as it was, had historical grounds. More chilling, Osama bin Laden has specifically blamed the Sykes-Picot Agreement for breaking "the Islamic world into fragments." "​

Arabs have had their own countries for a long time. Nothing stopping them from uniting.

Maybe it never happened because noone important considered it to be a good idea?