Why isn't Pakistan an industrial country yet?When will it become one?

[bongbang]

What a dumb list. Maybe you can explain why Bangladesh continues to lag behind Pakistan for the past 44-years since its creation even though it doesn't face any of the concerns from your list.

Pakistan's Nominal GDP 2014: $250 billion
Bangladesh's Nominal GDP 2014: $186 billion

Pakistan gets lots of foreign aids from USA, Arab countries and China. Which is not same in BD case. Not to forget BD aid and foreign currencies till 1971 were diverted to west Pakistan. We have basically started from zero from 71.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Come on brother, is India really an industrialised country? It has more poor people than all of Africa put together. It's Nominal GDP is smaller than tiny countries of France and Britain which only have around 65 million people each.

well India has a very large population , so there will be a'lot of poor , its only normal for any developing country , but what you are forgetting my friend is that , along with those poor , India also has a strong 50 CRORE ! middle class , that's more than the population of U.S , Canada & Mexico combined ! & India is an Industrialized country , just because you don't like it , doesn't means that India hasn't progressed , the World is not mad , that they are interested in doing business with it , every corporation are wanting to invest there

 

[DarkElf]

China is 90% Han. Han dominates the other ethnicities completely

Indonesia and Turkey also have big majorities for majority ethnic group - Pakistan has roughly 50% Punjabis and so not possible for Punjabis to dominate the rest of the ethnicities,

Bold part, not really true. The biggest ethnic group in Indonesia is Javanese at 40%. One thing is different for sure, since beginning Indonesia puts heavy emphasis on nationalism.

Interestingly enough
1. the biggest Islamic organization in Indonesia based on Java always supports Unity in Diversity slogan and Indonesia form of Government.
2. Almost all or maybe all Indonesia president is Javanese but at the same time Indonesia vice President and ministry came from diverse ethnic background.
3. The one and only official language in Indonesia is Bahasa Indonesia, heavily based on Melayu (Sumatra) language, not Javanese language.

 

[Gufi]

zero tax

there is no concept of zero tax
Okay listing the reasons

• Security issues
• lack of investor trust
• no longevity in policies
• Lack of infrastructure
• lack of electricity
• lack of level playing field
• Corruption
• Mafia like controls over certain sector
• unfavourable laws
• Lack of unity as a people
• Brain drain

@Kolachi Punjabi @SUPARCO @A1Kaid

 

[genmirajborgza786]

So far the best response. but

1. India is much more multi-ethnic, so is China and Indonesia, and Turkey has had separatist movements of it's own.

2.Iran also spends a lot on it's military but is industrial.

3.Tribalism is common all over the subcontinent and middle east/north africa, yet that hasn't stop them from going industrial.

well i think a common English medium curriculum for all , can ultimately lead to industrialization , as more & more people gain education the urge for industrialization will grow tremendously as more middle class expands , new ideas will lead to fulfilling the basic requirements for growth , industries creates jobs not only for labors but also for the educated office representatives , financial analysts , accountants , marketing experts for the goods & services for products which are coming out of the industries , thus creating new avenues & opportunities for graduates in the job market to explore thus helping in creating businesses & jobs , the reason behind Indian's industrialization has been its common govt English medium education system known as Madhyamik , CISCE & CBSE , almost all the Indians goes to these schools , they are affordable as they are govt education , from the RICH to the upper Middle class to the middle class to the lower middle class to the poor , if you ever visit India you will hardly find any IGCSE/GCSE or A level/O level schools there i mean why waste money , when good quality education is available @ home provided by the govt

Madhyamik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Central Board of Secondary Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I've been wondering for a very a long time about why Pakistan has such low industrial and manufacturing output, considering that we're the 6th largest country in terms of population, have more land than many European countries, and are rich in natural resources, so why haven't we industrialized?every government whether civilian or military always spoke about "industrializing" when they were in power but nothing really happened.

I've reading since I was child that Pakistan was an "agricultural" country, and now in 2015 we still are.

Neither do major brands want to make in Pakistan nor do we have our own indigenous heavy industries.

What's the reason for this?Could somebody who understands what's required for a country to go industrial explain why we haven't?

Some might say it's cause of political reasons, but even during the cold war when we were very close to America and got lots of AID and investment, we never industrialized, yet countries like Iran who have been under sanction for 40 years have much more manufacturing output than us.

Pakistan rich in natural resources. Who told you this?

Drop of oil
Bit of gas.
Tiny amount of forests.
No Iron
Hardly any quality coal.
No Zinc.
No bauxite

What do we have? Lots of people .....

Iran. Second largest oil producer on earth and third largest gas producer......

Have a look at the list below and you won't even see Pakistan anywhere.

List of countries by oil production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by natural gas exports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fossil fuel exporters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by iron ore production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by bauxite production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Countries With Most Timber Producing Countries - World Top Ten
The 10 Biggest Exporting Countries in the World - TheRichest

 

[Sky lord]

I've been wondering for a very a long time about why Pakistan has such low industrial and manufacturing output, considering that we're the 6th largest country in terms of population, have more land than many European countries, and are rich in natural resources, so why haven't we industrialized?every government whether civilian or military always spoke about "industrializing" when they were in power but nothing really happened.

I've reading since I was child that Pakistan was an "agricultural" country, and now in 2015 we still are.

Neither do major brands want to make in Pakistan nor do we have our own indigenous heavy industries.

What's the reason for this?Could somebody who understands what's required for a country to go industrial explain why we haven't?

Some might say it's cause of political reasons, but even during the cold war when we were very close to America and got lots of AID and investment, we never industrialized, yet countries like Iran who have been under sanction for 40 years have much more manufacturing output than us.

TBH, my first thought is that historically not enough pakistanis have asked this question that you are now asking and that is the most important problem. Throughout the 67 years of history, Pak concentrated on Kashmir, bombs, belittling india etc nothing on any kind of LONG TERM VISION on modernizing the country. As a people you were never really interested, some wishful thinking but never any long term plan. You have always been more interested in how to become a more perfect Muslim society and in showing India who is boss.

It has always been more popular to " protest Indian hegemony", " become a leader of muslim world", " preserve culture" etc.

When you get a windfall of money, you waste it on consumerism, again no long term plan. When you have floods or earthquakes the national discourse is entirely on how much money can we get from abroad. There is no discussion and no public pressure to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again, so next time it floods, you will be back begging and blaming India with one of your weird conspiracy theories.

Japan had no natural resources when it Industrialized, all that is needed is for people to genuinely want to build a modern industrial society, I don't think majority in Pak still do, they are more interested in building the perfect shariat society. If you don't want to become modern, then there is no way to do so.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Investor from abroad that includes multinationals look at Pakistan and the perception is religious crazed, mullahs fanatics running around, blowing themselves and chaos. Not the type of place they feel save to pump billions into.

The impression out there is the world is we are just another larger Afghanistan that will implode one of these days. It does not help that everytime there is a terrorist act be it in the west or anywhere and either Pakistani's are involved or there is some connection with Pakistan. Result Pakistan has terrible publicity in the world. Try travelling the world on Pakistani passport amd you will see what they will do.

Bomb goes off in London - 7/7 Pakistani involved.7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bomb goes off Times Square, USA Pakistani involved- 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
9/11 Twin Towers mastermind. Khalid Shaikh Pakistani involved - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Most famous of OBL. Pakistan involved - Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The list goes on and on. Don't forget every week something happens in Pakistan that hit's world headlines like Peshawar school killing or the recent Karach killing. So Pakistan is famous unfortuntely for the wrong reason and that gives us a terrible image which scares away investors.

@Sky lord
Kashmir has nothing to do with this. If we had Iron, coal, oil, gas trust me we would be rolling by now. As a Indian that just smacks of agenda ..

 

[Sky lord]

Investor from abroad that includes multinationals look at Pakistan and the perception is religious crazed, mullahs fanatics running around, blowing themselves and chaos. Not the type of place they feel save to pump billions into.

The impression out there is the world is we are just another larger Afghanistan that will implode one of these days. It does not help that everytime there is a terrorist act be it in the west or anywhere and either Pakistani's are involved or there is some connection with Pakistan. Result Pakistan has terrible publicity in the world. Try travelling the world on Pakistani passport amd you will see what they will do.

Bomb goes off in London - 7/7 Pakistani involved.7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bomb goes off Times Square, USA Pakistani involved- 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
9/11 Twin Towers mastermind. Khalid Shaikh Pakistani involved - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Most famous of OBL. Pakistan involved - Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The list goes on and on. Don't forget every week something happens in Pakistan that hit's world headlines like Peshawar school killing or the recent Karach killing. So Pakistan is famous unfortuntely for the wrong reason and that gives us a terrible image which scares away investors.

@Sky lord
Kashmir has nothing to do with this. If we had Iron, coal, oil, gas trust me we would be rolling by now. As a Indian that just smacks of agenda ..

No agenda whatsoever, but believe as you will

Japan has no natural resources at all, it modernized before any other Asian country during a time of hugely racist attitudes in the West, and it industrialized at record speed. All I am saying is that any society has priorities, Pak priority has never been to become a modern industrial nation, it has always been to be a more perfect Islamic nation and to dominate India. These are the two items that bring out the strongest emotions on any Pakistani.

You don't become a modern nation by wishful thinking, there has to be long term plans and you do at times have to swallow your pride to trade, as did the. Japanese in the 19th century. ...but tell me honestly wouldn't pakistani sooner eat little children than trade with. India? Something which is quite simple to do. So it is more important to you to degrade India than to become a modern nation.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

No agenda whatsoever, but believe as you will

Japan has no natural resources at all, it modernized before any other Asian country during a time of hugely racist attitudes in the West, and it industrialized at record speed. All I am saying is that any society has priorities, Pak priority has never been to become a modern industrial nation, it has always been to be a more perfect Islamic nation and to dominate India. These are the two items that bring out the strongest emotions on any Pakistani.

You don't become a modern nation by wishful thinking, there has to be long term plans and you do at times have to swallow your pride to trade, as did the. Japanese in the 19th century. ...but tell me honestly wouldn't pakistani sooner eat little children than trade with. India? Something which is quite simple to do. So it is more important to you to degrade India than to become a modern nation.

Japan is a exceptional example. I know some people have recieved no education till 10 years old and graduated with first class honours by age 18. Does not mean everybody can do the same. Most countries have had iron and coal like UK ( Sheffield ) Germany ( Ruhr) India ( Jamshedpur ) USA ( Pittsbirgh ) and others like Iran have massive amount of oil.

We have sand, more sand and even more sand. Most of our agriculture is because of artifical irrigation even there some of those rivers flow through your country and their water has been diverted. We have chronic power shortage because of no fuel. Check your electricty generation and see how much is produced through coal. Then check ours. Non is through coal and we are being killed by import of expensive oil to fuel some of the generators. Reality is we are being punished because of no fossil fuels.
You have lots of coal and iron ...

Edit; You are reducing our entire problems down to no trade with India as if that is some magical capsule ....
Despite all the advantages you have exactly how well are you doing. Why not grab your gross and divide it per capita and it is only marginally better then Pak even than you have problems with mass poverty and malnutrition worse then Pakistan.

 

[DarkElf]

Thailand, South Korea, Taiwan, China all have relative low natural resource but they succeed. Natural resource does help but it also can be a double edge sword (Dutch disease). In the end i do believe mind set, good leader and institution matter more.

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

That's tough ..
Mining in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Natural resources of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sky lord]

Japan is a exceptional example. I know some people have recieved no education till 10 years old and graduated with first class honours by age 18. Does not mean everybody can do the same. Most countries have had iron and coal like UK ( Sheffield ) Germany ( Ruhr) India ( Jamshedpur ) USA ( Pittsbirgh ) and others like Iran have massive amount of oil.

We have sand, more sand and even more sand. Most of our agriculture is because of artifical irrigation even there some of those rivers flow through your country and their water has been diverted. We have chronic power shortage because of no fuel. Check your electricty generation and see how much is produced through coal. Then check ours. Non is through coal and we are being killed by import of expensive oil to fuel some of the generators. Reality is we are being punished because of no fossil fuels.
You have lots of coal and iron ...

Edit; You are reducing our entire problems down to no trade with India as if that is some magical capsule ....
Despite all the advantages you have exactly how well are you doing. Why not grab your gross and divide it per capita and it is only marginally better then Pak even than you have problems with mass poverty and malnutrition worse then Pakistan.

I am not reducing trade with India as a magic capsule, I only used that as an example of something simple to do but which Pak will not do because it is more important to degrade india than to modernize. Let us take everything Indian out of the equation so that this does not degenerate into tu tu mein mein garbage.

The magic capsule is the will of the people. Most people in Pak are not yet interested in building a modern nation, hence there is no public pressure on your leaders and that is why Pakistan has not modernized. The magic capsule is WANTING to be an industrial country. society has to make that decision, then it is inevitable.

Natural resources make it a tad bit easier but is not necessary, japan is not the only exception, what natural resources does Singapore have or Hong Kong or Italy or Belgium or Switzerland or Taiwan or South Korea ?

Nigeria has a lot of natural resources but it is not a modern or an industrial society, so does the Congo or Saudi- yet none of these are modern or industrial societies.

 

[Steve781]

Pople use the term "rich country" and "industrialised country" interchangably when actually there are important differences. Some of the richest countries in the world: Qatar, The UAE, Kuwait, Ireland, The Bahamas, Iceland etc have virtually no industry. They get away with it because they are so small. Bigger countries do not have that option. Britain for example has an economy almost entirely based on financial servicesbased in London while vast swathes of the rest of the country have become post industrial wastelands.

 

[Edevelop]

Pakistan being an agriculture country is unique. There are not many countries out there in the world that have this capability.

Today's industrialization age is really competitive. U.S, China, Japan, Germany and Korea are the forefront and Brazil and India are emerging. So why on earth do we want to get into this crap when we can feed ourselves and depend every human being (7.1 Billion people on earth) with food. By all means even if you are industrialized you still need food for survival.

Do consider we also live an age where people are stuck with genetically modified and unhealthy foods. It is rather best for us to move to a new direction, try something new, perhaps like trying to capture the Organic market, modernize our agriculture research, grow popular varieties and package food in industrialized form. Our role models should be Denmark, Netherlands and Italy.