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How has the country been able to overcome socioeconomic disadvantages to perform so well?

By M Niaz Asadullah and Liyanage Devangi Perera

November 01, 2015
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Vietnam’s performance in the latest round of the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) has created a stir among education experts and policymakers around the world. The country’s 15-year olds participated for the first time in the 2012 assessment and ranked 17th in mathematics, 8th in science, and 19th in reading among 65 participating nations, placing Vietnam above the OECD average. At a time when Western countries are striving to replicate East Asia’s success in education, Vietnam has outranked the United States, Australia, and the United Kingdom. In doing so, it has become an exception to the argument that educational excellence is not possible without a high level of economic development.

This is all the more surprising because Vietnam still faces a multitude of the same kinds of problems that have been blamed for a low level of student learning in other developing countries. A sizable proportion of children still remain out of secondary schools. The level ofcorruption in Vietnam is higher than it is in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. Vietnam’s higher education system also lags far behind those of Thailand, Malaysia and the Philippines. A recent World Bank report “Skilling up Vietnam: Preparing the workforce for a modern market economy” even warns of a shortfall of critical thinking, team work, and communication skills among Vietnamese graduates. Echoing a report by The Economist, the World Bank blames the limited supply of such skills on the nature of classroom practices “which often focus on rote learning and memorization.”

Vietnam’s achievement in PISA is stunning when examined in terms of the performance of socially disadvantaged children. According to the OECD’s Andreas Schleicher, “almost 17% of Vietnam’s poorest 15-year-old students are among the 25% top-performing students across all countries and economies that participate in the PISA tests. By comparison the average across OECD countries is that only 6% of disadvantaged students are considered ‘resilient’ by this measure.” This is also consistent with our preliminary analysis of the PISA data. When a like-for-like comparison is made (holding differences in socioeconomic background constant), Vietnamese children do just as well as South Koreans. In other words, equalizing for socioeconomic differences among students from the two countries would give Vietnam an even better performance in the PISA.

Independent assessments of learning outcomes inside Vietnamese classrooms confirm that the country’s PISA rank does not simply reflect test-taking skills or an education system that is only good on paper. According to the findings of the Young Lives project, student performance in Vietnam is truly exceptional. Around 19 out of every 20 10-year-olds can add four-digit numbers; 85 percent can subtract fractions. When compared tostudent performance in India, a country with similar per capita GDP, 47 percent of Indian grade 5 pupils were unable to subtract even two-digit numbers.

Some commentators have identifiedyears of government investment in education as an important contributory factor to Vietnam’s success – the country invests 21 percent of government spending on education, higher than any OECD country. Yet similar levels of financial commitment haven’t produced the same result elsewhere in the region. One of the country’s richer neighbors,Malaysia, lags far behind in PISA despite decades of heavy investment in education. If anything, Malaysia’s performance is on the decline in other international assessment exercises.

Vietnam’s surprising rise in education is not about resources. Instead, the explanation lies in the careful choice of education policies and in political commitment and leadership.

In a recent commentary published by the BBC, Schleicher, who coordinates the PISA program, attributes Vietnam’s success to forward-thinking government officials, a focused curriculum and higher social standing and investment in teachers. He also draws attention to Vietnam’s curriculum, which has been designed to allow students to gain a deep understanding of core concepts and master core skills as opposed to the “mile-wide but inch-deep curriculums” of countries in Europe and North America. Teaching is viewed as a highly respectable profession in Vietnam and math teachers, particularly those working in underprivileged schools, are exposed to more professional development than the average in OECD countries. Vietnamese teachers are able to build a positive learning environment, fostering positive attitudes towards learning among students and maintaining good discipline in the classroom. However, a culture that encourages hard work is likely to have aided policy initiatives in bringing high returns on public and private investment in schooling According to Schleicher, teachers are also supported by strong parental commitment and high expectations for their children’s education, and societal values of hard work and a good education. These views are shared by Christian Bodewig of the World Bank, who also talks about teacher quality and the level of professionalism and discipline in Vietnamese classrooms.

An additional endorsement of Schleicher’s assessment comes fromJavier Luque of the Inter-American Development Bank. Having reviewed the PISA questionnaires that were distributed to school principals, Luque highlights two additional factors. First, most schools in Vietnam offer extra learning activities. For instance, 95 percent of school principals stated that their schools offered extra learning activities in mathematics, the third highest rate in the PISA sample. Second, the level of pressure parents exert on school academic standards is very high. Of the 65 countries that participated in PISA, Vietnam ranks 8th in terms of the level of parental pressure, reflecting a high level of commitment and parental aspirations for their children’s education. Students also value a good education – 94 percent of students agree with the statement in PISA study that “It is worth making an effort in math, because it will help us to perform well in our desired profession later on in life.” This implies that Vietnam’s success may also have much to do with its strong Confucian values and influences. Vietnamese parents value and invest in education for their children both at home and overseas. This is evidenced from the fact that in the U.S.,Vietnam ranks 8th among all countries sending post-secondary students. Such high parental aspirations for educated children may be a key reason why returns, in terms of student performance in PISA, on steady public investment in education have been high. Today, the advantages of cultural traits emphasizing education are seen by many as key to the success of children of Asian heritage in the U.S., creating the so-called Asian-American Advantage.

Exactly what has driven Vietnam’s progress in PISA, despite a centralized education system and widespread poverty, will continue to be debated. But irrespective of the causes, the progress has been remarkable – Vietnam is a beacon of hope and should be closely studied by policymakers from the country’s ASEAN neighbors. Three ASEAN countries in particular, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, have remained trapped in the bottom third of countries in the PISA ranking for years. A key lesson from Vietnam is that a higher budgetary allocation will not on its own move these countries out the bottom third without policy innovation and a willingness to learn from others.

M Niaz Asadullah is Professor of Development Economics and Deputy Director of the Centre for Development Studies (CPDS) at the University of Malaya, and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts (RSA). He is also an Associate Fellow of the Department of Education at Oxford University. Liyanage Devangi Perera is a doctoral student at Monash University, Malaysia

Vietnam’s PISA Surprise | The Diplomat
 
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How has the country been able to overcome socioeconomic disadvantages to perform so well?


I have query on the question itself, that's assuming performance of education or human intelligence is largely dependent on economic status?

Vietnam's current economic status has a lot to do with national policies at different stages of time, say decades-old of planned economy, the " Đổi mới " in 1986, and other reforms subsequent to that, all of which serve to release the latent energy hidden in its massive human capital of intelligence and work ethics.

 
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I have query on the question itself, that's assuming performance of education or human intelligence is largely dependent on economic status?

Vietnam's current economic status has a lot to do with national policies at different stages of time, say decades-old of planned economy, the " Đổi mới " in 1986, and other reforms subsequent to that, all of which serve to release the latent energy hidden in its massive human capital of intelligence and work ethics.


This rebukes the theory that IQ is directly proportional to GDP and wealth. I posted a thread about Phenotypic IQ vs Genotypic IQ but it got deleted.

I'm aware that IQ is difficult to determine because of so many factors: emotional, socio economics, environment, varies from individual, etc. However, I still believe that culture and genetics plays an important role.

The top PISA score come from East Asia all of them are rich OECD countries. With an exception of China, a developing country which uses Tier 1 cities instead of the overall average.

If IQ wasn't related to genetics or culture technically Singapore (Ethnically Han Chinese) and Vietnam (Similiar Culture) would rank at the same level as other South East Asian nations.

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Socioeconomic and environmental factors can affect ones potential. Although GDP can decrease due to external factors like war, poverty, hunger and recession it does not affect overall IQ. If Vietnam was more developed it would have rank at the top 10 by now.
 
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This rebukes the theory that IQ is directly proportional to GDP and wealth. I posted a thread about Phenotypic IQ vs Genotypic IQ but it got deleted.

I'm aware that IQ is difficult to determine because of so many factors: emotional, socio economics, environment, varies from individual, etc. However, I still believe that culture and genetics plays an important role.

The top PISA score come from East Asia all of them are rich OECD countries. With an exception of China because it only uses Tier 1 cities and not the country average.

Vietnam invests heavily into education and promotes hardworking individuals. If IQ wasn't related to genetics or culture technically Singapore (ethnically Han Chinese) and Vietnam (Similiar Culture) would rank at the same level as other South East Asian nations.

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Socioeconomic and environmental factors can affect ones potential. Although GDP can decrease due to external factors like war, poverty, hunger and recession it does not affect overall IQ. If Vietnam was more developed it would have rank at the top 10 by now.


Before moving on allow me to clarify a typical myth. Yes Shanghai is a tier one city in economic sense, however in terms of schooling results we are only mediocre among Han regions in China. Take the 2014 National High School Graduation Examination or "Gaokao" results as an example, we only rank in the middle (note we scores less than many far more populous provinces like Shandong, Guangdong, Sichuan, Hunan etc), see the chart attached.

Back on topic. Based on many stats and patterns observed, I tend to believe primary determinant of intelligence is genetical, which is the dominant factor, followed by cultural (e.g. family emphasis of education), socio-economical (e.g. quality of living, availability of teaching resources), in decreasing order of influence. If you have any info (you mention a thread got deleted) please feel free to share.



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2014 National High School Graduation Examination or "Gaokao" results (2014高考,一批录取线)
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This guy seems to have an agenda in PDF. Smart and superior Viets and bad Chinese...They won't leave these topics...:disagree:
 
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for those who are obsessed with PISA, there are other data showing the performance trustability from different countries:

Steve Sailer: iSteve: PISA: Which countries to trust the least

for what percentage of the target populations of 15-year-olds didn't get tested.
% Missing
Costa Rica 50%
Albania 45%
Vietnam 44%
Mexico 37%
Colombia 37%
Indonesia 37%
Turkey 32%
Brazil 31%
Thailand 28%
Peru 28%
Uruguay 27%
Liechtenstein 25%
Bulgaria 23%
Shanghai-China 21%
Malaysia 21%
Argentina 20%
Kazakhstan 19%
Macao-China 19%
Hungary 18%
United Arab Emirates 17%
Canada 17%
Chile 17%
Hong Kong-China 16%
Czech Republic 15%
Serbia 15%
Latvia 15%
Lithuania 14%
Jordan 14%
Australia 14%
Italy 14%
Greece 13%
New Zealand 12%
Korea 12%
Austria 12%
Portugal 12%
Spain 12%
France 12%
United States 11%
Chinese Taipei 11%
Poland 11%
Luxembourg 11%
Montenegro 10%
Israel 9%
Denmark 9%
Japan 9%
Ireland 9%
Slovak Republic 9%
Tunisia 9%
Switzerland 9%
Norway 8%
Estonia 8%
Russian Federation 8%
Iceland 7%
Sweden 7%
United Kingdom 7%
Slovenia 6%
Qatar 6%
Croatia 6%
Germany 5%
Singapore 5%
Belgium 5%
Finland 4%
Romania 4%
Cyprus 3%
Netherlands -1%

for shanghai's case, the missing 21% students will drag down their overall scores but probably won't affect their first position, because of the huge margin they have over the second place. USA was missing 18% at 2009, and 11% at 2012.

China's Zhejiang Province (with around 50million population) actually ranked the second place in 2009, only next to Shanghai with a small margin, but Zhejiang and other participating china provinces' scores were not released due to the agreement signed by China and PISA organization.

From this year 2015 on, all mainland china's PISA data will be released as one entity, u won't see Shanghai's score alone any more in the future. My guts feeling is that mainland China's overall performance will be close to Taiwan.
 
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for those who are obsessed with PISA, there are other data showing the performance trustability from different countries:

Steve Sailer: iSteve: PISA: Which countries to trust the least

for what percentage of the target populations of 15-year-olds didn't get tested.
% Missing
Costa Rica 50%
Albania 45%
Vietnam 44%
Mexico 37%
Colombia 37%
Indonesia 37%
Turkey 32%
Brazil 31%
Thailand 28%
Peru 28%
Uruguay 27%
Liechtenstein 25%
Bulgaria 23%
Shanghai-China 21%
Malaysia 21%
Argentina 20%
Kazakhstan 19%
Macao-China 19%
Hungary 18%
United Arab Emirates 17%
Canada 17%
Chile 17%
Hong Kong-China 16%
Czech Republic 15%
Serbia 15%
Latvia 15%
Lithuania 14%
Jordan 14%
Australia 14%
Italy 14%
Greece 13%
New Zealand 12%
Korea 12%
Austria 12%
Portugal 12%
Spain 12%
France 12%
United States 11%
Chinese Taipei 11%
Poland 11%
Luxembourg 11%
Montenegro 10%
Israel 9%
Denmark 9%
Japan 9%
Ireland 9%
Slovak Republic 9%
Tunisia 9%
Switzerland 9%
Norway 8%
Estonia 8%
Russian Federation 8%
Iceland 7%
Sweden 7%
United Kingdom 7%
Slovenia 6%
Qatar 6%
Croatia 6%
Germany 5%
Singapore 5%
Belgium 5%
Finland 4%
Romania 4%
Cyprus 3%
Netherlands -1%

for shanghai's case, the missing 21% students will drag down their overall scores but probably won't affect their first position, because of the huge margin they have over the second place. USA was missing 18% at 2009, and 11% at 2012.

China's Zhejiang Province (with around 50million population) actually ranked the second place in 2009, only next to Shanghai with a small margin, but Zhejiang and other participating china provinces' scores were not released due to the agreement signed by China and PISA organization.

From this year 2015 on, all mainland china's PISA data will be released as one entity, u won't see Shanghai's score alone any more in the future. My guts feeling is that mainland China's overall performance will be close to Taiwan.

Doesn't mean the results were skewed or fixed. It's not like countries choose only the best student's and disregard the underachievers. Notice how the list of countries goes from poor to rich.

The main reason is socioeconomic factors. The poor and disadvantaged kids don't have access to higher education which leads to high drop out rate thus less enrollment and participation.

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Almost 17% of Vietnam's poorest 15-year-old students are among the 25% top-performing students across all countries and economies that participate in the Pisa tests.

By comparison the average across OECD countries is that only 6% of disadvantaged students are considered "resilient" by this measure.

Vietnam's 'stunning' rise in school standards - BBC News
 
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Simple. Because Vietnamese have part of Chinese gene(In fact some Vietnamese are Chinese immigrants) .
 
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PISA doesnt determine IQ, IQ has different type of test. It is more related to how the overall education in Vietnam can fit with the type of test in PISA.

It is more fair if Jakarta become the standard as well for Indonesia, since even Singapore is smaller than Jakarta. Jakarta students can dominate many best universities in Indonesia (state owned and subsidized ones) so it is more toward the success of Vietnam education system rather than start to talk about genetic....:lol:

But I do agree that genetic determines IQ.
 
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In fact, we Indians are the smartest, we dominate USA.
 
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In fact, we Indians are the smartest, we dominate USA.

Immigrant usually has a better will and determination, it is the reasons of why immigrants has better performance compare to the locals. For USA case, jews is the one who dominate their economy along with the Armenian.

Beside that, Indians uses English in their education, it makes them get easier in finding jobs abroad. Influx of Indian engineers for instant has made engineers salary in oil and gas sector going down.
 
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Every time an education reform takes place in China,soon there will be an slightly altered version implementing in Vietnam. That's the only reason..

Shadow province. that‘s what Vietnam is. Truth might hurt some PDF viets, but yeah..they will never admit.
 
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Maybe you could say that smartest Indians are in the US and they make good livings there. Why was Indian not in the PISA list above?
No need, our kids will top in any PISA style tests.
 
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PISA doesnt determine IQ, IQ has different type of test. It is more related to how the overall education in Vietnam can fit with the type of test in PISA.

It is more fair if Jakarta become the standard as well for Indonesia, since even Singapore is smaller than Jakarta. Jakarta students can dominate many best universities in Indonesia (state owned and subsidized ones) so it is more toward the success of Vietnam education system rather than start to talk about genetic....:lol:

But I do agree that genetic determines IQ.

Agree with your logic. Genetics is prime determinant of IQ, while IQ only partly determines schooling results (e.g. PISA in this thread) which are affected by other factors like family emphasis (a cultural factor), availability of teaching resources (a socio-economic factor).
 
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