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SRINAGAR: A strange thing happened in Srinagar four days ago. Syed Ali Shah Geelani, the Hurriyat hawk, suddenly decided he wouldn't mind talking to the Indian government.

Strange because for years now, he has rebuffed every talk offer, every invite falling prey to the five conditions he has stuck to - the foremost being that India must first recognize Kashmir as an international dispute.

The reaction from New Delhi was stranger - complete silence. Geelani waited for an invitation that never came. :no::no: For Kashmir watchers, this was just another small chapter in the chess game that passes off for India's Kashmir Policy.

Geelani's new approachability came within days of the centrally-appointed interlocutors submitting their report to the home minister P Chidambaram. Dileep Padgoakar, Radha Kumar and M M Ansari spent an entire year trying to make contact with the separatists, both the moderates within the motley band as well as the hardline Geelani faction, without success.

The composition of the central team was also a combination of the cross currents of Delhi's Kashmir policy. While Padgoankar and Ansari were selected by the home ministry, Radha Kumar was handpicked by the PMO. It's said their subsequent bickering and infighting reflected this faultline.

It's an open secret in Kashmir that for most of the moderate Hurriyat leaders in Srinagar, the nudge to ignore the central team came from their minders in the Intelligence Bureau, known here as the "Agency". In Kashmir the Agency is the Indian version of the Deep State, the guardians of the national interest, seeing political initiatives as irritants by well-meaning amateurs.:what: It's the Agency that handles some mainstream parties, guides and finances sundry moderate separatist groups and pays for the upkeep of dozens of obscure dailies.

The dozen visits by the interlocutors threw up many such twists in the plot. On the one hand, the central team was trying to shore up mainstream parties like the PDP and the National Conference, encouraging some MLAs to float their own parties to "widen the political space", and on the other hand, it was being checkmated by the very agencies of the ministry they reported to. :what:

Geelani's surprise thawing has sparked-off intense interest in the moderate camp. Some see it as a vindication of their stand in favour of talks with the central Government, provided it is at the level of the Prime Minister, others fear if Geelani gets out of his corner, he might hog all the space that the moderates have carved out for themselves between the mainstream and the hardline represented by Geelani. Yet others see it as a classic ploy by the Deep State, a subtle threat to either come to the table now or be ignored.

The speculation here is that Geelani's statements are the result of back channel negotiations between the PMO. This is only getting strengthened by the discordant noises coming out of the home ministry in Delhi. Despite Geelani pointedly not referring to his five-point formula, dailies are full of "sources" in the home ministry saying the five- point formula is unacceptable.

For Geelani, it's a win-win situation. After lying dormant for a year, he has again occupied centrestage in separatist politics. The past couple of years have been tough on him. Last year's turmoil exposed his lack of control over the streets of Kashmir.

This year most of his strike calls have not evoked much response, and his focus on social issues, like banning mobile phones for women and co-ed education, have lost him respect from the average Kashmiri. Sources in his inner circle concede that all this has perhaps led to the perception that Geelani had withdrawn from active separatist politics. In Kashmir, the shadow of Pakistan always looms large. Here again Geelani is on a sticky wicket. His reported advice to Pakistan's foreign minister Hina Rabbani that Pakistan must put its house in order, reflects the confusion in the man who now finds no takers for his "Kashmir Banega Pakistan" slogan.
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The growing distance is made clear from his recent snub to United Jehad Council chief, Syed Salauideen. In his press conference on Thursday, he said, "We take our own decisions here."

So as the Chinar changes colour in Srinagar, all eyes are on the grand old man of Hyderpora. What new hue will he show next? Is the stage really is being set for a Kashmir breakthrough? Is the withdrawal of AFPSA from some areas in the state, the peace offering that will bring Geelani to the table? Is troubled Pakistan on board, or as in the past, has the Deep State has made another chess move?

Why is Geelani ready to talk now? - The Times of India
 
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huh .......geelani ka ek pair to kabar mey hai , kabhi bhi bulawa aa sakta hai ...........grandpa geelani will die soon and with him the dreams of azad kashmir will also vanish .
 
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he knows that Kashmir will not leave the union of India or join with Pakistan because India won't allow it and there is no way Pakistan can conventionally win Kashmir back as they tried in 48 and 65 and if they try again they will lose like they have each time in the past

now he has realized the reality of the situation and wants to talk for Kashmir having somewhat autonomy from the GOI possibly semi autonomy
 
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We should talk to him rather than just relaxing and celebrating his downfall. You never know what the future holds , another fake encounter or extrajudicial killing and you might find people rallying behind him and shouting anti india slogans . This is a good opportunity to talk to the seperatists on even terms and should not be missed.
 
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^ i don't care what Geelani has to say no matter what under any condition are we giving up control of Kashmir that will never happen not until hell freezes over the Kashmiri's living in the valley can live under somewhat autonomy but are required to stop resorting to militancy and seditious activities and help in the fight against foreign militants that cross LoC from Pak into India only then will development and peace come otherwise let Geelani just fall along with his fantasy ideology of an independent Kashmir
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2216058 said:
SRINAGAR: A strange thing happened in Srinagar four days ago. Syed Ali Shah Geelani, the Hurriyat hawk, suddenly decided he wouldn't mind talking to the Indian government.

Strange because for years now, he has rebuffed every talk offer, every invite falling prey to the five conditions he has stuck to - the foremost being that India must first recognize Kashmir as an international dispute.

The reaction from New Delhi was stranger - complete silence. Geelani waited for an invitation that never came. :no::no: For Kashmir watchers, this was just another small chapter in the chess game that passes off for India's Kashmir Policy.

Geelani's new approachability came within days of the centrally-appointed interlocutors submitting their report to the home minister P Chidambaram. Dileep Padgoakar, Radha Kumar and M M Ansari spent an entire year trying to make contact with the separatists, both the moderates within the motley band as well as the hardline Geelani faction, without success.

The composition of the central team was also a combination of the cross currents of Delhi's Kashmir policy. While Padgoankar and Ansari were selected by the home ministry, Radha Kumar was handpicked by the PMO. It's said their subsequent bickering and infighting reflected this faultline.

It's an open secret in Kashmir that for most of the moderate Hurriyat leaders in Srinagar, the nudge to ignore the central team came from their minders in the Intelligence Bureau, known here as the "Agency". In Kashmir the Agency is the Indian version of the Deep State, the guardians of the national interest, seeing political initiatives as irritants by well-meaning amateurs.:what: It's the Agency that handles some mainstream parties, guides and finances sundry moderate separatist groups and pays for the upkeep of dozens of obscure dailies.

The dozen visits by the interlocutors threw up many such twists in the plot. On the one hand, the central team was trying to shore up mainstream parties like the PDP and the National Conference, encouraging some MLAs to float their own parties to "widen the political space", and on the other hand, it was being checkmated by the very agencies of the ministry they reported to. :what:

Geelani's surprise thawing has sparked-off intense interest in the moderate camp. Some see it as a vindication of their stand in favour of talks with the central Government, provided it is at the level of the Prime Minister, others fear if Geelani gets out of his corner, he might hog all the space that the moderates have carved out for themselves between the mainstream and the hardline represented by Geelani. Yet others see it as a classic ploy by the Deep State, a subtle threat to either come to the table now or be ignored.

The speculation here is that Geelani's statements are the result of back channel negotiations between the PMO. This is only getting strengthened by the discordant noises coming out of the home ministry in Delhi. Despite Geelani pointedly not referring to his five-point formula, dailies are full of "sources" in the home ministry saying the five- point formula is unacceptable.

For Geelani, it's a win-win situation. After lying dormant for a year, he has again occupied centrestage in separatist politics. The past couple of years have been tough on him. Last year's turmoil exposed his lack of control over the streets of Kashmir.

This year most of his strike calls have not evoked much response, and his focus on social issues, like banning mobile phones for women and co-ed education, have lost him respect from the average Kashmiri. Sources in his inner circle concede that all this has perhaps led to the perception that Geelani had withdrawn from active separatist politics. In Kashmir, the shadow of Pakistan always looms large. Here again Geelani is on a sticky wicket. His reported advice to Pakistan's foreign minister Hina Rabbani that Pakistan must put its house in order, reflects the confusion in the man who now finds no takers for his "Kashmir Banega Pakistan" slogan.
:wave::wave:
The growing distance is made clear from his recent snub to United Jehad Council chief, Syed Salauideen. In his press conference on Thursday, he said, "We take our own decisions here."

So as the Chinar changes colour in Srinagar, all eyes are on the grand old man of Hyderpora. What new hue will he show next? Is the stage really is being set for a Kashmir breakthrough? Is the withdrawal of AFPSA from some areas in the state, the peace offering that will bring Geelani to the table? Is troubled Pakistan on board, or as in the past, has the Deep State has made another chess move?

Why is Geelani ready to talk now? - The Times of India

Why does SAS Geelani want to talk now? Isn't it obvious? The guy is 82 years old and is suffering from incurable renal cancer. How long does he have man? Time is surely not on his side. He is the last of the hard core pro Pakistan separatists left in Kashmir. A product of the Jamaat. He was the ardent supporter of the Hizbul Mujahideen which has ceased to exist as will he soon. It is this realisation of his imminent mortality more than any back channel nonsense that has woken him up. As they say "speak now or forever hold your peace". Eternal peace is just around the corner.
 
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Syed Ali Shah Geelani was always from beginning was new delhi's point man in valley.If one reads ds the tea leaves carefully,there were enough indication of it in the past.His hard line character was just a show of smokes and screen in the valley to hide his real agenda to further New Delhi's interest in the valley.
 
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the reason is his declining popularity. this whole year he tried to organize various protest rallies but the people of Kashmir didn't came out of their houses to support him. poor chap's days are coming to end.
 
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I should say Syed Ali Shah Geelani has caused more damage to the so called Kashmir cause then anyone else.
 
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Well eventually Kashmir will be with Pakistan , its probably best to learn from Hong Kong going to China example.
 
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Well eventually Kashmir will be with Pakistan , its probably best to learn from Hong Kong going to China example.

hong kong was under a 99 year agreement,we dont have any such agreement for kashmir its the land for all kashmiri muslims,dogras and buddhists and not kashmiri muslims alone

kashmir was never yours and we'll see to it that it remains that way
 
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hong kong was under a 99 year agreement,we dont have any such agreement for kashmir its the land for all kashmiri muslims,dogras and buddhists and not kashmiri muslims alone

kashmir was never yours and we'll see to it that it remains that way

Indian army's primary task is to keep Muslim population in Kashmir under control.
India has to answer for the genocide of Muslims before talking about Kashmir.

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