Why is Pakistan bombing Afghanistan?

[That Guy]

That's the biggest piece of bullsh!t I've heard in a long time! Some guys like you have been so thoroughly brainwashed by your Establishment and Mullahs that you see nothing else on the horizon but Indian attempts to break up Pakistan! Yours is a childish argument.

Secondly, Afghans generally like Indians far more than Pakistanis due to the continued interference by Pakistan in their daily lives. India instead is giving humanitarian aid, rebuilding their lives and providing infrastructure like hospitals, schools power projects, roads and so on. Pakistan in contrast is only interested in their so called 'strategic depth' trying to gain a permanent foothold by installing a puppet government in Afghanistan consisting of the hated Taliban (Haqqanis). They care a damn for the welfare of the Afghans in general. And the Afghans know this.

How has Pakistan helped the ordinary Afghan to live a better life? What infrastructure have they provided? Zilch! Not a dime for improving the conditions in which the ordinary Afghans are living. Is it any wonder that the Afghans care two hoots for Pakistanis in general?

First off, I've lived in Canada most of my life, so you're assumptions about me are completely wrong.

What I post is fact, your views are simply naive. If you honestly think that India doesn't want Pakistan to break, then you're blind to the truth.

India cares little about what happens to Afghans and Afghanistan. If Pakistan and China weren't involved, India wouldn't give a single penny to Afghanistan. You keep saying that Pakistan only wants to have a permanent foothold in Afghanistan, are you so blinded by your nationalism that you refuse to see the fact that every country surrounding Afghanistan wants the same thing? From Iran to China to Pakistan and India? Why do you think the US want permanent bases in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Indians are doing everything in their power to counter Pakistan's influence?

There is also this mistaken belief that Afghans are united and they hate Pakistan in their unity, this is false. Northern Afghanistan and Southern Afghanistan are practically two different countries. If you go to the north, you'll find that they're anti-Pakistan and pro-India. If you go to the south, such as Kandahar, you'll find that the Afghans there are pro-Pakistan and anti-India. This is because during the post-Soviet withdrawal civil war, India, Russia and Iran ended up supporting the north, while Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and to some extent even China ended up supporting the south.

As for why India wants to break Pakistan, it's because Pakistan is a thorn in India's side. As long as Pakistan exists and is allied with China, India's goal of regional hegemony and countering China's global ambitions cannot be stopped effectively. It's also one of the reasons why India has been going on a propaganda spree worldwide to gain international support to get the world to recognize Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan as Indian territory. If the Indians succeed, Pakistan will not be a threat, and China will no longer have a border with Pakistan, which means no more ports that are directly connected to the Arabian sea, which also means that China's global ambitions will be slowed down significantly, if not downright halted.

By the way, this isn't information I'm making up. Go to the Indian section of the forums and talk to the Indian members there, I'm getting most of this info from them as well as Chinese and Pakistani members.

 

[my2cents]

Ignoring their and your inflammatory remarks, I'll answer your point...

It's because Pakistan has no desire to go over the border. Even if it did, the international community would isolate Pakistan and not even China would be able to help Pakistan. All Pakistan wants is for the Afghans to accept the Durand line, which the Afghans refuse to do.

Not by coincidence, the border issue is also the reason why Pakistan bombards the Afghan side. ANA troops constantly cross the border to chase militants, and militants constantly run back across to the Afghan side when being chased by the PA. Pakistan has proposed the building of a border fence, but the Afghan side refused, saying they don't recognize the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. All Pakistan has left in it's toolbox is military retaliation (like the bombardments) to warn the Afghans that Pakistan is ready to defend its border, because diplomacy has clearly failed.

What is stopping you from building the fence?? Not the Afghan army?? Your security comes first and foremost and you should do what ever it takes to stop the insurgents.

 

[Black Widow]

What is stopping you from building the fence?? Not the Afghan army?? Your security comes first and foremost and you should do what ever it takes to stop the insurgents.

Border dispute, Many area at Afghan-Pakistan border is disputed territory. Since 1947 Afghans were against Pakistani, this was the reason Pakistan put there Dogs (Taliban) as ruler of Afghan...

Since Pakistani Dogs (Puppet) are out of power, Afghan Nationals are looking for there right. Afghan Nationals are looking to get there land back which was annexed illegally by Pakistan.

 

[Black Widow]

First off, I've lived in Canada most of my life, so you're assumptions about me are completely wrong.

What I post is fact, your views are simply naive. If you honestly think that India doesn't want Pakistan to break, then you're blind to the truth.

India cares little about what happens to Afghans and Afghanistan. If Pakistan and China weren't involved, India wouldn't give a single penny to Afghanistan. You keep saying that Pakistan only wants to have a permanent foothold in Afghanistan, are you so blinded by your nationalism that you refuse to see the fact that every country surrounding Afghanistan wants the same thing? From Iran to China to Pakistan and India? Why do you think the US want permanent bases in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Indians are doing everything in their power to counter Pakistan's influence?

There is also this mistaken belief that Afghans are united and they hate Pakistan in their unity, this is false. Northern Afghanistan and Southern Afghanistan are practically two different countries. If you go to the north, you'll find that they're anti-Pakistan and pro-India. If you go to the south, such as Kandahar, you'll find that the Afghans there are pro-Pakistan and anti-India. This is because during the post-Soviet withdrawal civil war, India, Russia and Iran ended up supporting the north, while Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and to some extent even China ended up supporting the south.

As for why India wants to break Pakistan, it's because Pakistan is a thorn in India's side. As long as Pakistan exists and is allied with China, India's goal of regional hegemony and countering China's global ambitions cannot be stopped effectively. It's also one of the reasons why India has been going on a propaganda spree worldwide to gain international support to get the world to recognize Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan as Indian territory. If the Indians succeed, Pakistan will not be a threat, and China will no longer have a border with Pakistan, which means no more ports that are directly connected to the Arabian sea, which also means that China's global ambitions will be slowed down significantly, if not downright halted.

By the way, this isn't information I'm making up. Go to the Indian section of the forums and talk to the Indian members there, I'm getting most of this info from them as well as Chinese and Pakistani members.

Your birth and upbringing in Canada will not change basic things.. Hope u know what I mean...


India ambition is not destruction of Pakistan, rather we believe in drawing bigger line.. Afghanistan has vast mineral resources, which we can tap thru Afghan-Iran corridor. our investment is pure business related. We don't giove sh!t to religion.


As per I know entire Afghanistan (Excluding Talibans) Hate Pakistan. They claim Pakistan responsible of distruction of there homeland...

 

[Pulsar]

What I post is fact, your views are simply naive. If you honestly think that India doesn't want Pakistan to break, then you're blind to the truth.

Nonsense of the highest order! India in fact wants a stable Pakistan otherwise destabilization will have profound spill over effects on India as well. So your argument that India wants to break up Pakistan is baloney.

India cares little about what happens to Afghans and Afghanistan.

Instead of spewing bluff and bluster I suggest you take the effort to read the history of Afghanistan and India and the relationship between its people. This has historical significance and also the fact that Pashtoons led by Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan and Khan Sahib were prominent leaders of the Indian independence movement.

There is also this mistaken belief that Afghans are united and they hate Pakistan in their unity, this is false. Northern Afghanistan and Southern Afghanistan are practically two different countries. If you go to the north, you'll find that they're anti-Pakistan and pro-India. If you go to the south, such as Kandahar, you'll find that the Afghans there are pro-Pakistan and anti-India.

You are partly correct here. However your contention that Afghans in Southern and Eastern Afghanistan are anti-India is nonsense! If that were the case, how come the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalabad haven't been attacked so far unlike the ISI sponsored attack on the Indian Embassy at Kabul? Think again friend. There's more to it than meets the eye. Things aren't so black and white. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out as to why the Taliban haven't attacked Indian interests in Southern/Eastern Afghanistan.

As for why India wants to break Pakistan, it's because Pakistan is a thorn in India's side. As long as Pakistan exists and is allied with China, India's goal of regional hegemony and countering China's global ambitions cannot be stopped effectively. It's also one of the reasons why India has been going on a propaganda spree worldwide to gain international support to get the world to recognize Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan as Indian territory. If the Indians succeed, Pakistan will not be a threat, and China will no longer have a border with Pakistan, which means no more ports that are directly connected to the Arabian sea, which also means that China's global ambitions will be slowed down significantly, if not downright halted.

Typical rant of someone who hasn't had the time to do any research on the subject whatsoever. Your understanding of the geopolitical complexities in the region, border on total ignorance of the subject. Your harebrained arguments are akin to that of a kid in the 5th grade.

By the way, this isn't information I'm making up. Go to the Indian section of the forums and talk to the Indian members there, I'm getting most of this info from them as well as Chinese and Pakistani members.

The blind shouldn't be following the blind. I suggest you take some time off and do some independent research and study on the subject by reading some serious papers and books on the subject, instead of depending on forums that are mostly populated with school kids and trolls who have no idea what the heck they're talking about with their half baked knowledge.

 

[Spring Onion]

Why is Pakistan bombing Afghanistan? | GlobalPost

even the Afghan MP acept the fact that they know the shelling was because Afghanistan is hosting TTP terrorists on its soil hence the acceptance of shelling.


“It’s a game. Everyone is playing a game in this country and in Pakistan,” said Saleh Mohammed Saleh, an Afghan member of parliament from Kunar.

“There are some things which I cannot disclose about the mortars and why they are being fired, but NATO knows it and the Afghan government knows it,” Saleh said. “It’s all a game.”

Pakistan has hinted that the barrage of rockets is aimed at staving off attacks from Afghanistan-based militants that launch raids against Pakistani army and police posts.

(Read more: U.S. weapons fuel Pakistan's militants)

Militants have killed 55 Pakistani security forces in cross-border attacks over the past month, Pakistan says.

“The Pakistani military is retaliating against militants who attack Pakistan from Afghanistan,” said Ramiullah Yusufzai, editor-in-chief of Pakistan’s News International, a daily newspaper in Peshawar. “And who escape back over the border every time.”

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Border dispute, Many area at Afghan-Pakistan border is disputed territory. Since 1947 Afghans were against Pakistani, this was the reason Pakistan put there Dogs (Taliban) as ruler of Afghan...

Since Pakistani Dogs (Puppet) are out of power, Afghan Nationals are looking for there right. Afghan Nationals are looking to get there land back which was annexed illegally by Pakistan.

right.

they've tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly....they can make whatever claims they want to make.

and it appears that indian dogs (puppets) who hardly have a grasp over Kabul -leave alone the rest of Afghanistan - will be gone soon and left to become dust

 

[That Guy]

What is stopping you from building the fence?? Not the Afghan army?? Your security comes first and foremost and you should do what ever it takes to stop the insurgents.

Actually it is the Afghan army and Afghan government. They've already said that any attempt to build a fence will be a considered aggression against Afghanistan, i.e a declaration of war.

 

[That Guy]

Your birth and upbringing in Canada will not change basic things.. Hope u know what I mean...


India ambition is not destruction of Pakistan, rather we believe in drawing bigger line.. Afghanistan has vast mineral resources, which we can tap thru Afghan-Iran corridor. our investment is pure business related. We don't giove sh!t to religion.


As per I know entire Afghanistan (Excluding Talibans) Hate Pakistan. They claim Pakistan responsible of distruction of there homeland...

I didn't say destruction, when did I say destruction? Breaking a nation is not destroying a nation. Did the separation of east Pakistan destroy Pakistan? No, it didn't.

You're right, my background doesn't make a difference, so why was it brought up to begin with?

As for your claim that India's interest is purely business, why did the Indians support the Northern Alliance during the 90s? It was obviously not because of business, as NA had nothing to offer besides opium. It also couldn't be the mineral resources, because the vastness of them are actually a recent discovery.

And no, the entirety of Afghanistan doesn't hate Pakistan, again, this is simple misinformation. The north hates Pakistan, the south does not.

What makes you so sure that the Taliban don't hate Pakistan? After all, they've been killing our civilians and soldiers by the thousands.

These are the facts, nothing more.

 

[Black Widow]

right.

they've tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly....they can make whatever claims they want to make.

and it appears that indian dogs (puppets) who hardly have a grasp over Kabul -leave alone the rest of Afghanistan - will be gone soon and left to become dust

India don't believe in puppet.. We believe in Nationalist Afghani. Pakistan is jealous of Indo-Afghan relation.


Pakistan dream of re-entry of Taliban to Afgan is shattering. India is committed to make civilized Afghanistan where human life will be valued. Its not 80-90's, today almost all world power are on same page.. Some small countries like Pakistan are pro Taliban, (and china too) rest all are anti Taliban...

 

[That Guy]

Nonsense of the highest order! India in fact wants a stable Pakistan otherwise destabilization will have profound spill over effects on India as well. So your argument that India wants to break up Pakistan is baloney.


Instead of spewing bluff and bluster I suggest you take the effort to read the history of Afghanistan and India and the relationship between its people. This has historical significance and also the fact that Pashtoons led by Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan and Khan Sahib were prominent leaders of the Indian independence movement.


You are partly correct here. However your contention that Afghans in Southern and Eastern Afghanistan are anti-India is nonsense! If that were the case, how come the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalabad haven't been attacked so far unlike the ISI sponsored attack on the Indian Embassy at Kabul? Think again friend. There's more to it than meets the eye. Things aren't so black and white. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out as to why the Taliban haven't attacked Indian interests in Southern/Eastern Afghanistan.


Typical rant of someone who hasn't had the time to do any research on the subject whatsoever. Your understanding of the geopolitical complexities in the region, border on total ignorance of the subject. Your harebrained arguments are akin to that of a kid in the 5th grade.


The blind shouldn't be following the blind. I suggest you take some time off and do some independent research and study on the subject by reading some serious papers and books on the subject, instead of depending on forums that are mostly populated with school kids and trolls who have no idea what the heck they're talking about with their half baked knowledge.

You know, I'd actually address all your points, but considering that you've just insulted me deeply, I feel that it would be a waste.

Nonsense of the highest order! India in fact wants a stable Pakistan otherwise destabilization will have profound spill over effects on India as well. So your argument that India wants to break up Pakistan is baloney.


Instead of spewing bluff and bluster I suggest you take the effort to read the history of Afghanistan and India and the relationship between its people. This has historical significance and also the fact that Pashtoons led by Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan and Khan Sahib were prominent leaders of the Indian independence movement.


You are partly correct here. However your contention that Afghans in Southern and Eastern Afghanistan are anti-India is nonsense! If that were the case, how come the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalabad haven't been attacked so far unlike the ISI sponsored attack on the Indian Embassy at Kabul? Think again friend. There's more to it than meets the eye. Things aren't so black and white. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out as to why the Taliban haven't attacked Indian interests in Southern/Eastern Afghanistan.


Typical rant of someone who hasn't had the time to do any research on the subject whatsoever. Your understanding of the geopolitical complexities in the region, border on total ignorance of the subject. Your harebrained arguments are akin to that of a kid in the 5th grade.


The blind shouldn't be following the blind. I suggest you take some time off and do some independent research and study on the subject by reading some serious papers and books on the subject, instead of depending on forums that are mostly populated with school kids and trolls who have no idea what the heck they're talking about with their half baked knowledge.

You know, I'd actually address all your points, but considering that you've just insulted me deeply, I feel that it would be a waste.

 

[Black Widow]

I didn't say destruction, when did I say destruction? Breaking a nation is not destroying a nation. Did the separation of east Pakistan destroy Pakistan? No, it didn't.

You're right, my background doesn't make a difference, so why was it brought up to begin with?

As for your claim that India's interest is purely business, why did the Indians support the Northern Alliance during the 90s? It was obviously not because of business, as NA had nothing to offer besides opium. It also couldn't be the mineral resources, because the vastness of them are actually a recent discovery.

And no, the entirety of Afghanistan doesn't hate Pakistan, again, this is simple misinformation. The north hates Pakistan, the south does not.

What makes you so sure that the Taliban don't hate Pakistan? After all, they've been killing our civilians and soldiers by the thousands.

These are the facts, nothing more.

We didn't break Pakistan it was Tikka khan and company who did.. Your hate for Bengalis lead it.. When West send toilet sheet (under sanitation program) Bengalis asked it, \your leader replied "You bengalies don't deserve it, better you do nature call in banana farm".

Your complex of build and color was so high that you never considered bengalis as one.. don't blame us for ur fault.

War was already won by brave bengalis, India enter into war only when Pakistan open west front..
I will suggest u to read some good history journals/books.


We supported Northen alliance because we knew Taliban is a monster and it will eat its own masters/\. U see these pics and tell me if we did wrong opposing Taliban

If Pakistani feel Taliban good, why don't they bring TTP in power.. After all both are taliban and both are same..

 

[Spring Onion]

Border dispute, Many area at Afghan-Pakistan border is disputed territory. Since 1947 Afghans were against Pakistani, this was the reason Pakistan put there Dogs (Taliban) as ruler of Afghan...

Since Pakistani Dogs (Puppet) are out of power, Afghan Nationals are looking for there right. Afghan Nationals are looking to get there land back which was annexed illegally by Pakistan.

The indian puppies are brandishing this wet dream of "disputed" land here and there which has NO international standing neither any legal one.

So the barking can continue in vain.

 

[That Guy]

We didn't break Pakistan it was Tikka khan and company who did.. Your hate for Bengalis lead it.. When West send toilet sheet (under sanitation program) Bengalis asked it, \your leader replied "You bengalies don't deserve it, better you do nature call in banana farm".

Your complex of build and color was so high that you never considered bengalis as one.. don't blame us for ur fault.


War was already won by brave bengalis, India enter into war only when Pakistan open west front..


I will suggest u to read some good history journals/books.


We supported Northen alliance because we knew Taliban is a monster and it will eat its own masters/\. U see these pics and tell me if we did wrong opposing Taliban

...

If Pakistani feel Taliban good, why don't they bring TTP in power.. After all both are taliban and both are same..

I didn't say that India broke Pakistan, you're not looking at my point, only arguing semantics and incorrect ones at that.

As for hatred of Bengalis, Pakistan has never had a hatred of Bengalis (only our corrupt leadership has), but again that's another topic altogether.

Why are you changing the subject?

[Edit]

So now you're saying that it wasn't just business? Which is it, purely business or humanitarianism? I'd also like to point out that the current government in Afghanistan is following almost the exact same policies that the Taliban did. The only differences are cosmetic ones, so I doubt that the Indians are supporting Karzai and supported the NA because of humanitarianism.

I'm not here to justify or oppose India and the Taliban, I'm simply presenting another viewpoint.

 

[Awesome]

We didn't break Pakistan it was Tikka khan and company who did.. Your hate for Bengalis lead it.. When West send toilet sheet (under sanitation program) Bengalis asked it, \your leader replied "You bengalies don't deserve it, better you do nature call in banana farm".

Your complex of build and color was so high that you never considered bengalis as one.. don't blame us for ur fault.

War was already won by brave bengalis, India enter into war only when Pakistan open west front..
I will suggest u to read some good history journals/books.


We supported Northen alliance because we knew Taliban is a monster and it will eat its own masters/\. U see these pics and tell me if we did wrong opposing Taliban

If Pakistani feel Taliban good, why don't they bring TTP in power.. After all both are taliban and both are same..

You posted 2011 pics as Taliban pics? Your NA is in power and its doing the same things.