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Why is great philosopher Kautilya not part of Pakistan’s historical consciousness?

It is a complex issue. I'm not entirely sure Chanakiya belongs to coterminous Pakistan, however, many notable pre-Islamic figures do. Other threads have mentioned such cases and are better verified than Chanakiya, so please refer to them. If it is proven that Chanakiya belongs to us, we will certainly claim him. We are for now well aware of how dangerous our enemy has become because of his teachings - perhaps that is part of why we reject such an individual at present. He himself is not "traitorous" towards the IVC per se, but certainly those hindutva who reference him today are very much hell bent on destroying the descendants of their great rivals, the IVC.

Sadly, Pakistan's history was stolen by the same people who appropriated the word "India". True - we didn't fight much over it at the time - perhaps we were more occupied with the traumatic pogroms being initiated by the secular republic. Certainly, history matters, but lives matter first.

When hindutva is finally unravelled and the ghosts of the Jammu and Kashmir pogroms are vanquished by virtue of truth, destructive vengeance and reconciliation in equal measure, then and only then we can reclaim our history and leave the gangetic city states to squabble over their miserable past.

It would be no surprise at all if more thinkers of yesteryear turned out to be Pakistani and not gangetic in origin. The IVC was the main target of the steppe land Aryans who swept in from the Caucasus. We were the target because we were on the map. To the east of the Indus were elephants and those who rode elephants. Alexander turned back. The Aryans campaigned against the IVC and simply enslaved the gangetics. Time after time, history has ignored everything east of the Indus Valley.

This my friends, is why the inferiority complex persists to our east.

The Pakistani author of this article has created a "click bait" opinion piece. He has not bothered to ask us - the sons of IVC - what we actually feel about our IVC heritage. He has simply regurgitated the secular republic's myth so that secular republicans from the gangetic plains will click on his article.

Had he spoken the truth, or had I written the article, it would get fewer clicks for speaking the truth in the face of gangetic mythology.
 
Why is great philosopher Kautilya not part of Pakistan’s historical consciousness?

[ FROM A PAKISTANI WRITER : SAIF TAHIR ]


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Source : https://www.dawn.com/news/1348014

When nearby residents tire of the daily grind, and when the temperatures soar in the summer, they seek respite at the glistening Khanpur Lake, located in the Haripur District of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

But on the way to Khanpur, just beyond the precipice of Taxila, one notices there a signboard that has rusted with age. Mohra Muradu Remains, it says, marking a thin road that snakes off into lush fields reminiscent of all those beautiful vistas you might see in a nature documentary on Pakistan

Walking along the road, one sees a small village perched upon a mountain, and a stream that rumbles with the authentic, tidal force of Mother Nature.

East of that stream are the remains of an old settlement, fairly preserved: a large stupa and other structures crafted out of black stone, the remnants of a 2nd century BC monastery called Mohra Muradu.

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The Mohra Muradu monastery lightly kissed by sunlight. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Mohra Muradu was one of the 18 monasteries – Jolian, Dharmarajika, Sirkap, and Pipplan being the other important ones – that constituted Takshashila – the world’s first known university and a powerhouse of academic knowledge.

It is to be noted that although the word ‘university’ was not invented back then, Takshashila, which was formed in 7th century BC, functioned very much like a university.

The Buddhist sacred scriptures, the Jatakas, mention Takshashila as a centuries-old centre for learning. It was here that the Mahabharta was first said to be recited.

The rise of Gandhara, a kingdom in the northwestern region of present-day Pakistan, had a significant impact on Takshashila’s growth. The university offered 63 courses that included Vedas, astronomy, philosophy, surgery, politics, warfare, commerce, music, archery, and other performing arts.

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A stupa of the Dharmarajika monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


According to other Buddhist texts, such as the Pali Canon, Brahmin princes and students migrated from far distances to enroll at Takshashila, and its alumni include a thorough list of notables: Jatopil, the commander in chief of Banaras; Jivaka, who cured Buddha; Parasasenajit, the ruler of Kosala; Panini, a great grammarian; and Charaka, a famous physician.

But perhaps the institution’s most noteworthy alumni is the legendary political philosopher and thinker, Chanakya, better known as Kautilya, the author of Arthashastra, often compared to the Italian mastermind Machiavelli and his book The Prince.

There is a popular South Asian adage: "jo gur se maray, usay zehar kyun do". The saying originates from an intriguing interaction between a prince, Maurya, and Chanakya, back in 330 BC.

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The Dharmarajika monastery's remains. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Maurya was on a stroll one day when he noticed an odd sight: Chanakya, on his knees, pouring honey on to the roots of grass. Maurya approached him and inquired of his purpose, to which Chanakya replied that he was sweetening the roots.

Apparently, Chanakya had tripped over the grass while walking. He decided it was much better to uproot the grass permanently so that he never stumbles over it again, rather than removing it temporarily.

And so he was sweetening the roots, because the colonies of ants under the soil would sniff out the nectar, find it, and nibble through the roots, rendering the grass dead for good.

Impressed by Chanakya’s wisdom, Maurya henceforth hired him as chief advisor for state affairs. This laid the foundation for a long and enduring relationship between Chanakya and Chandra Gupta Maurya – one which helped establish a state so powerful and vast it stretched across the entire Indian subcontinent and lasted for nearly 150 years.

It became the largest (in terms of geographical expanse) and the most glorious empire Indian history has ever witnessed, even larger than the Mughal empire.

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The remains of the Sirkap monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Not many are privy to Chanakya’s indissoluble relationship with what's today Pakistan. Born in the suburbs of present-day Taxila, young Chanakya’s burgeoning intellect had him quickly noticed, and for his studies he was admitted to Takshashila, where he rose above the ranks and was hired as a teacher during his 20’s.

His magnum opus Arthashastra talks about various subjects of power and facets of governance. It enlists the duties of the ruler, the associates, and the advisor; discusses intricate matters, such as the art of diplomacy, the rules of unleashing and defending wars, the duties of the state during peacetime; domestic governance affairs like taxation, commerce, law, municipal affairs; social norms and customs; and artisan work, agriculture, medicine, and census.

On one hand, it provides an account of the Chandragupta army – the facts, numbers, weapons – and on the other, it says, “mere numbers do not count for much; without discipline and proper leadership they may become a burden.”

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A board reading the history of the Mohra Muradu monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Unlike Lahore – where the city sounds off frequently in recognition of the poet and philosopher Allama Iqbal – Taxila, a much older city, is devoid of any reference to its son, Chanakya. Some time ago, there was an attempt to create a university in his name; however, the political rifts and bureaucratic hurdles relegated it to an unending limbo.

Today, the only references to his existence are the shattered monasteries and the shambled remains of the once-great Takshashila.

Of these monasteries, Mohra Muradu is still a thriving village: an abode to 200 families, encircled by mountains and fields, home also to orchards and olive grafting. The settlement history of the village is unknown, but to locals it is as old as the monastery’s remains.

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A view of the Pipplan monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


A young university graduate, Anis ur Rehman, runs the only private school in the village. He is proud of his village as being part of the world’s first learning centre, and of it he says: “Mohra Muradu is a historical village. It was always a centre of education and is still an educated village with many graduates and PhDs, some pursuing higher degrees outside the country.”

Sir Syed Ideal School, the school he runs, has a block named after his grandfather, Master Abdul Rehman, one of the first graduates of Aligarh University in Uttar Pradesh, India.

While showing his small school library, named after Chanakya, Anis continues: “I have read about Chanakya and it is a matter of pride for us that we gave the world a philosopher who is revered everywhere.”

Henry Kissinger in his book World Order described Chanakya’s Arthashastra as avant-garde that established hard power as a dominant reality in politics and validated realism much earlier than Machiavelli’s The Prince.

Whilst the world recognises Chanakya's stature as a philosopher, he’s nothing more than another example of how our nation has made someone a pariah without realising what they stood for.

Chanakya is damned for obvious reasons. He is presumed to be a representative of the Brahmin mindset and Hindu culture which we have parted from a long time ago. Merely this was enough to disqualify him from the stature of a learned philosopher of the soil.

Hence, not a single reference of him is found in the country, whereas we already have buildings and campuses named after scientists and philosophers from different eras and places.

Nothing can describe this irony better than The Indus Saga , in which Aitzaz Ahsan writes in the preface: “… a nation in denial of its national identity is unfortunate. But when it chooses to adopt an extra-territorial identity, it becomes a prisoner of propaganda and myths... This is the Pakistan of today, not the Pakistan of its founders. Identity is at the heart of its problem”.

If Pakistan is to come out of its tortuous identity crisis, it needs to accept its non-Muslim history as its own. Recognising someone as important as Chanakya will have to be part of the long process.

Because he was a evil Hindu and more evil Brahmin.
 
Because he was a evil Hindu and more evil Brahmin.

"While showing his small school library, named after Chanakya, Anis continues: “I have read about Chanakya and it is a matter of pride for us that we gave the world a philosopher who is revered everywhere.” "

If it's verified that he is Pakistani, the last nuke that is fired at Hindustan will bear his name.

The irony of Pakistan literally destroying Hindustan with Chanakya would be too great an opportunity to pass up.
 

Source : https://www.dawn.com/news/1348014

When nearby residents tire of the daily grind, and when the temperatures soar in the summer, they seek respite at the glistening Khanpur Lake, located in the Haripur District of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

But on the way to Khanpur, just beyond the precipice of Taxila, one notices there a signboard that has rusted with age. Mohra Muradu Remains, it says, marking a thin road that snakes off into lush fields reminiscent of all those beautiful vistas you might see in a nature documentary on Pakistan

Walking along the road, one sees a small village perched upon a mountain, and a stream that rumbles with the authentic, tidal force of Mother Nature.

East of that stream are the remains of an old settlement, fairly preserved: a large stupa and other structures crafted out of black stone, the remnants of a 2nd century BC monastery called Mohra Muradu.

5979c223447bb.jpg

The Mohra Muradu monastery lightly kissed by sunlight. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Mohra Muradu was one of the 18 monasteries – Jolian, Dharmarajika, Sirkap, and Pipplan being the other important ones – that constituted Takshashila – the world’s first known university and a powerhouse of academic knowledge.

It is to be noted that although the word ‘university’ was not invented back then, Takshashila, which was formed in 7th century BC, functioned very much like a university.

The Buddhist sacred scriptures, the Jatakas, mention Takshashila as a centuries-old centre for learning. It was here that the Mahabharta was first said to be recited.

The rise of Gandhara, a kingdom in the northwestern region of present-day Pakistan, had a significant impact on Takshashila’s growth. The university offered 63 courses that included Vedas, astronomy, philosophy, surgery, politics, warfare, commerce, music, archery, and other performing arts.

5979c13a069d3.jpg

A stupa of the Dharmarajika monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


According to other Buddhist texts, such as the Pali Canon, Brahmin princes and students migrated from far distances to enroll at Takshashila, and its alumni include a thorough list of notables: Jatopil, the commander in chief of Banaras; Jivaka, who cured Buddha; Parasasenajit, the ruler of Kosala; Panini, a great grammarian; and Charaka, a famous physician.

But perhaps the institution’s most noteworthy alumni is the legendary political philosopher and thinker, Chanakya, better known as Kautilya, the author of Arthashastra, often compared to the Italian mastermind Machiavelli and his book The Prince.

There is a popular South Asian adage: "jo gur se maray, usay zehar kyun do". The saying originates from an intriguing interaction between a prince, Maurya, and Chanakya, back in 330 BC.

5979c13d4f123.jpg

The Dharmarajika monastery's remains. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Maurya was on a stroll one day when he noticed an odd sight: Chanakya, on his knees, pouring honey on to the roots of grass. Maurya approached him and inquired of his purpose, to which Chanakya replied that he was sweetening the roots.

Apparently, Chanakya had tripped over the grass while walking. He decided it was much better to uproot the grass permanently so that he never stumbles over it again, rather than removing it temporarily.

And so he was sweetening the roots, because the colonies of ants under the soil would sniff out the nectar, find it, and nibble through the roots, rendering the grass dead for good.

Impressed by Chanakya’s wisdom, Maurya henceforth hired him as chief advisor for state affairs. This laid the foundation for a long and enduring relationship between Chanakya and Chandra Gupta Maurya – one which helped establish a state so powerful and vast it stretched across the entire Indian subcontinent and lasted for nearly 150 years.

It became the largest (in terms of geographical expanse) and the most glorious empire Indian history has ever witnessed, even larger than the Mughal empire.

5979c22c83ee7.jpg

The remains of the Sirkap monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Not many are privy to Chanakya’s indissoluble relationship with what's today Pakistan. Born in the suburbs of present-day Taxila, young Chanakya’s burgeoning intellect had him quickly noticed, and for his studies he was admitted to Takshashila, where he rose above the ranks and was hired as a teacher during his 20’s.

His magnum opus Arthashastra talks about various subjects of power and facets of governance. It enlists the duties of the ruler, the associates, and the advisor; discusses intricate matters, such as the art of diplomacy, the rules of unleashing and defending wars, the duties of the state during peacetime; domestic governance affairs like taxation, commerce, law, municipal affairs; social norms and customs; and artisan work, agriculture, medicine, and census.

On one hand, it provides an account of the Chandragupta army – the facts, numbers, weapons – and on the other, it says, “mere numbers do not count for much; without discipline and proper leadership they may become a burden.”

5979c05aa623a.jpg

A board reading the history of the Mohra Muradu monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


Unlike Lahore – where the city sounds off frequently in recognition of the poet and philosopher Allama Iqbal – Taxila, a much older city, is devoid of any reference to its son, Chanakya. Some time ago, there was an attempt to create a university in his name; however, the political rifts and bureaucratic hurdles relegated it to an unending limbo.

Today, the only references to his existence are the shattered monasteries and the shambled remains of the once-great Takshashila.

Of these monasteries, Mohra Muradu is still a thriving village: an abode to 200 families, encircled by mountains and fields, home also to orchards and olive grafting. The settlement history of the village is unknown, but to locals it is as old as the monastery’s remains.

5979c137eb213.jpg

A view of the Pipplan monastery. - Photo: Saif Tahir


A young university graduate, Anis ur Rehman, runs the only private school in the village. He is proud of his village as being part of the world’s first learning centre, and of it he says: “Mohra Muradu is a historical village. It was always a centre of education and is still an educated village with many graduates and PhDs, some pursuing higher degrees outside the country.”

Sir Syed Ideal School, the school he runs, has a block named after his grandfather, Master Abdul Rehman, one of the first graduates of Aligarh University in Uttar Pradesh, India.

While showing his small school library, named after Chanakya, Anis continues: “I have read about Chanakya and it is a matter of pride for us that we gave the world a philosopher who is revered everywhere.”

Henry Kissinger in his book World Order described Chanakya’s Arthashastra as avant-garde that established hard power as a dominant reality in politics and validated realism much earlier than Machiavelli’s The Prince.

Whilst the world recognises Chanakya's stature as a philosopher, he’s nothing more than another example of how our nation has made someone a pariah without realising what they stood for.

Chanakya is damned for obvious reasons. He is presumed to be a representative of the Brahmin mindset and Hindu culture which we have parted from a long time ago. Merely this was enough to disqualify him from the stature of a learned philosopher of the soil.

Hence, not a single reference of him is found in the country, whereas we already have buildings and campuses named after scientists and philosophers from different eras and places.

Nothing can describe this irony better than The Indus Saga , in which Aitzaz Ahsan writes in the preface: “… a nation in denial of its national identity is unfortunate. But when it chooses to adopt an extra-territorial identity, it becomes a prisoner of propaganda and myths... This is the Pakistan of today, not the Pakistan of its founders. Identity is at the heart of its problem”.

If Pakistan is to come out of its tortuous identity crisis, it needs to accept its non-Muslim history as its own. Recognising someone as important as Chanakya will have to be part of the long process.
It is good Pakistan wants to distance itself from a shameful past of apartheid, Brahmanism and conspiracies.
 
we have far more greater Philosophical Giants who dwarfs this guy , We have Chain of Anbiya starting from Adam A.S to all way to Muhammad Pbuh, after him his thousands of Companions who most of them were some of the great people who ever walk the earth, than we have Jibreel AS and his experience with Anbiya .. We don't need this or that person to tell us which we know from our own people .
If we can get education from china then why not chankiya?
 
On Contrary they want the Opposite, atleast as suggested by the Author.
His teachings are simply too dangerous to mankind in hindutva hands. Once hindutva is eliminated, decisions can be taken on which parts of his philosophies will be rejected and which can be preserved. Certainly, there will be no need to deny his impact on history as a son of Indus soil.
 
His teachings are simply too dangerous to mankind in hindutva hands. Once hindutva is eliminated, decisions can be taken on which parts of his philosophies will be rejected and which can be preserved. Certainly, there will be no need to deny his impact on history as a son of Indus soil.

Which Teachings ?

He Never Talked about HINDUTVA. All Were Hindus in his Time.
He talk about UNITING INDIA / National Integration.

He was worried about lack of Unity in India and Powers like Alexander.
 
Which Teachings ?

He Never Talked about HINDUTVA. All Were Hindus in his Time.
He talk about UNITING INDIA / National Integration.

He was worried about lack of Unity in India and Powers like Alexander.

More like uniting everything under the Mauryas. That is hardly national integration. That is establishing hegemony.
 
More like uniting everything under the Mauryas. That is hardly national integration. That is establishing hegemony.

History is filled with names.

Gandhi, Nehru, Subhas, Jinnah or George Washington , Mao
We need Leaders who unite People...

"Republic India" under NEHRU or "Islamic replublic of pakistan" under JINNAH or "Maosists" under Mao , thats how nations are BUILT and INTEGRATED.
 
History is filled with names.

Gandhi, Nehru, Subhas, Jinnah or George Washington , Mao
We need Leaders who unite People...

"Republic India" under NEHRU or "Islamic replublic of pakistan" under JINNAH or "Maosists" under Mao , thats how nations are BUILT and INTEGRATED.
Did he anywhere referred himself as King of Indians or King of Aryas?
@Joe Shearer
 
History is filled with names.

Gandhi, Nehru, Subhas, Jinnah or George Washington , Mao
We need Leaders who unite People...

"Republic India" under NEHRU or "Islamic replublic of pakistan" under JINNAH or "Maosists" under Mao , thats how nations are BUILT and INTEGRATED.

Not entirely accurate. All those who you cite above represented an idea, that people rallied around.

I do not believe that establishment of an empire was an idea that everyone rallied around, especially those that were defeated by Chandragupta Maurya, like the Nandas or the kingdoms in the South and East (sorry don't know their names). Don't get me wrong, I don't think any less of the Mauryas and their empire. But I differ with your characterization of national integration, when it really was empire-building.
 
Not entirely accurate. All those who you cite above represented an idea, that people rallied around.

I do not believe that establishment of an empire was an idea that everyone rallied around, especially those that were defeated by Chandragupta Maurya, like the Nandas or the kingdoms in the South and East (sorry don't know their names). Don't get me wrong, I don't think any less of the Mauryas and their empire. But I differ with your characterization of national integration, when it really was empire-building.

You presume that 100% People in Pakistan / India / CHINA rallied behind Jinnah, Nehru or Mao respectively.
They Didnt.

Idea : One nation
Leader : Maurya

Idea : Islam
Leader : Mr. Jinnah

Idea : Socialism
Leader : Mao
 
You presume that 100% People in Pakistan / India / CHINA rallied behind Jinnah, Nehru or Mao respectively.
They Didnt.

Idea : One nation
Leader : Maurya

Idea : Islam
Leader : Mr. Jinnah

Idea : Socialism
Leader : Mao
Man, did any Mauryan King even referred himself as Indian, Arya or Bhartiya King? Nehru called him Indian Prime Minister - similarly others knew their 'titles'.
 

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