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India-China relations and
the geopolitics of water

AMEYA PRATAP SINGH URVI TEMBEY
Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold
on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.
An idol of Goddess Durga immersed in the Brahmaputra River at the end of the Durga Puja festival in Guwahati, Assam, India, October 2018 (David Talukdar/NurPhoto via Getty Images)


An idol of Goddess Durga immersed in the Brahmaputra River at the end of the Durga Puja festival in Guwahati, Assam, India, October 2018 (David Talukdar/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
Published 23 Jul 2020 12:00   0 Comments
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The Tibetan plateau is often called the “Third Pole”, owing to its glacial expanses and vast reserves of freshwater. For as many as nine countries in the surrounding region, the status of rivers emerging from the plateau is a key concern.
China has claimed express ownership over Tibet’s waters, making it an upstream controller of seven of South Asia’s mightiest rivers – the Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra, Irrawaddy, Salween, Yangtze and Mekong. These rivers flow into Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam, and form the largest river run-off from any single location. It is estimated that 718 billion cubic meters of surface water flows out of the Tibetan plateau and the Chinese-administered regions of Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia to neighbouring countries each year.
Nearly half that water, 48%, runs directly into India.
For India, the one domain in which China’s status as the “upper riparian” provides an almost insurmountable challenge is in ensuring shared access to transboundary rivers. And as the recent clashes on the Sino-Indian border have made clear, India needs to assess how China might “weaponise” its advantage over those countries downstream. Control over these rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy.
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China could exploit these rivers in three ways.
First, it can “blockade or divert” them. China’s large-scale infrastructure projects such as the South-North Water Diversion Project and West-East Power Transfer Project already threaten to do so. In addition, to meet its irrigation and power needs, as per the Five-Year Plan 2011–15, the Chinese government planned to build 120 gigawatts of new hydropower plants on the Salween, the Upper Mekong, Upper Yangtze and the Brahmaputra – “more than one new Three Gorges Dam every year for the next five years, and … more than any other country has built in its entire history”.
Even in Azad Kashmir, China has promised to finance and build five dams that will form the North Indus River Cascade. Not only will these dams negatively affect the flow of water to lower riparian states, including India and Pakistan, especially in non-monsoon months, but they will also stop the flow of silt which supports agriculture downstream.
China is also building five dams on the Brahmaputra river, and it is feared that “directional blasting techniques could be used to divert the Brahmaputra north to China at the u-bend” before it enters India through the state of Arunachal Pradesh. China has already blocked the flow of the Xiabuqu river, one of Brahmaputra’s Tibetan tributaries, for the Lalho hydel project. More recently, in the aftermath of border clashes between India and China in the Galwan Valley from May, China blocked the flow of the Galwan River, a tributary of the Indus which originates in Chinese-controlled Aksai Chin area, thus altering the natural course of the river to prevent it from entering India.
Absent a mutually agreed dispute-settlement mechanism on water sharing, and with China’s public refusal to submit to international dispute settlement, there are few diplomatic solutions available to India.
Second, China could sabotage transboundary rivers by polluting them, rendering them unfit for use. The Siang river, which joins the Lohit and the Dibang downstream to form the Brahmaputra, turned muddy and “blackened” in 2017 raising concerns about China’s upstream activities. The water became unfit for human consumption, with “up to ten inches of sediment accumulated on some stretches of the riverbed”.
This episode severely affected agriculture production in the Siang valley, known as one of the rice bowls of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, and it also had a detrimental impact on fishing communities. Although China stated that an earthquake in November 2017 might have been the cause, the river waters reportedly changed before the quake struck.
Third, China has access to valuable data that can help manage floods and fluctuations downstream. India and China have signed two pacts since 2008 on data sharing for the Sutlej and Brahmaputra in order to better manage the shared watercourses. While these agreements have had a positive effect on water management, and helped pre-empt and control flooding, this dependence can also be exploited by withholding hydrological data accessible only to the upper riparian state.
After the 73-day Doklam standoff between India and China in 2017, for instance, there were reports that China withheld hydrological data for the Brahmaputra and Sutlej rivers – in contravention of the agreement – resulting in floods in Assam and Uttar Pradesh states. This wasn’t the first time that shared waterways in the area had raised alarm. Worryingly, in 2004, a lake began to form on the Parechu river, a tributary of the Sutlej which originates in the Tibetan Himalayas, threatening to cause floods lower down in India’s Sutlej valley. While China remained cooperative and shared upstream data in advance with India at the time, there was speculation (after China rejected a request by India to send scientists and engineers to the site) that China deliberately created a “a liquid bomb”, an artificial lake unleashed at will to potentially devastate downstream areas. Such concerns of China possibly breaching and weaponising the waters of this Parechu lake were raised in June 2020, when a rise of 12 to 14 metres was observed in the river.
Absent a mutually agreed dispute-settlement mechanism on water sharing for the transboundary rivers, and with China’s public refusal to submit to international dispute settlement, there are few diplomatic solutions available to India. Effective management of domestic rivers and rainwater remains the primary recourse.
Furthermore, India could lead a counter-coalition of countries that share transboundary rivers, and forge a common institutional set-up for better transboundary management of shared rivers. While offering greater bargaining leverage vis-à-vis China, such an institution could also promote a “Southern Asian water information grid”, and aggregate best practices for water management.
Such an alliance could collectively impose economic sanctions for any upstream violations. If co-operation and equitable use of shared water resources are to remain the objective, India and other countries in South and Southeast Asia will have to learn to bargain collectively with China.
 
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Both Tibetans and Uighurs are crying for freedom from Communism. China has brutally suppressed them, and now undertaking demographic transformation of their homelands by resettling millions of Han Chinese. This is similar to the historic genocide and displacement of the Amerindians in North America. The difference is it is happening now, in the 21st century.
 
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Both Tibetans and Uighurs are crying for freedom from Communism. China has brutally suppressed them, and now undertaking demographic transformation of their homelands by resettling millions of Han Chinese. This is similar to the historic genocide and displacement of the Amerindians in North America. The difference is it is happening now, in the 21st century.
Dont worry your Indian head. Those places will be sinicized soon like inner mongolia :)
 
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Both Tibetans and Uighurs are crying for freedom from Communism. China has brutally suppressed them, and now undertaking demographic transformation of their homelands by resettling millions of Han Chinese. This is similar to the historic genocide and displacement of the Amerindians in North America. The difference is it is happening now, in the 21st century.

I'd say cry me a river but wait, india's gonna be a barren dry waste land soon so save your tears you might need them to water your plants.
 
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ohh commies stop trouble our cute leader Siri Modi g he is already daydreaming of ruling china and spread Rss ideology to all corners of china!
water they dont need water Indians dont die or rely on resources as per indians on pdf!
 
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Both Tibetans and Uighurs are crying for freedom from Communism. China has brutally suppressed them, and now undertaking demographic transformation of their homelands by resettling millions of Han Chinese. This is similar to the historic genocide and displacement of the Amerindians in North America. The difference is it is happening now, in the 21st century.

Total fertility rate by ethnic group (2010 census): Han (1.14), Zhuang (1.59), Hui (1.48), Manchu (1.18), Uyghur (2.04), Miao (1.82), Yi (1.82), Tujia (1.74), Tibetan (1.60), Mongols (1.26).[20]


Xinjiang, Tibet and Qinghai
are almost uninhabited and have a larger area than India (not counting Inner Mongolia). Even if the entire population of India is moved there, the population density is still better than that of India. What about the Kashmir region which was invaded by residents from India?

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And everyone wants to migrate to the east coast of china, very few people want to move from the coastal areas to the remote mountains except as tourists
 
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Xinjiang, Tibet and Qinghai are almost uninhabited and have a larger area than India (not counting Inner Mongolia). Even if the entire population of India is moved there, the population density is still better than that of India. What about the Kashmir region which was invaded by residents from India?

And everyone wants to migrate to the east coast of china, very few people want to move from the coastal areas to the remote mountains except as tourists

You forgot to mention that 40% of "Xinjiang" is Han Chinese. They are obviously not indigenous to the region. This is a deliberate policy to dilute the demographics of the region and to Sinicize it.
 
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Both Tibetans and Uighurs are crying for freedom from Communism. China has brutally suppressed them, and now undertaking demographic transformation of their homelands by resettling millions of Han Chinese. This is similar to the historic genocide and displacement of the Amerindians in North America. The difference is it is happening now, in the 21st century.
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You forgot to mention that 40% of "Xinjiang" is Han Chinese. They are obviously not indigenous to the region. This is a deliberate policy to dilute the demographics of the region and to Sinicize it.
The Han people occupied Xinjiang in 100 BC, when Uighurs had not yet appeared.
Of course, now China needs the British who slaughtered tens of millions of Native Americans, slaughtered millions of Australians, and sold tens of millions of black slaves to teach what human rights are. :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha:
 

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You forgot to mention that 40% of "Xinjiang" is Han Chinese. They are obviously not indigenous to the region. This is a deliberate policy to dilute the demographics of the region and to Sinicize it.
Historically, northern India should have been the territory of the Mughal, and logically should belong to Pakistan. If Indians consider themselves to be independent rather than rebellious, I think they should start by returning the territory.

Then we can discuss who gets to Xinjiang first.
 
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Historically, northern India should have been the territory of the Mughal, and logically should belong to Pakistan. If Indians consider themselves to be independent rather than rebellious, I think they should start by returning the territory.

Then we can discuss who gets to Xinjiang first.

Such stupidity. What does Pakistan have to do with Mughal? Chinese people need to educate themselves more about the history and dynamics of other countries
 
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Such stupidity. What does Pakistan have to do with Mughal? Chinese people need to educate themselves more about the history and dynamics of other countries
We are currently strengthening education, such as how many countries India should be divided into.
 
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So in essence they want to steal and control water supply in Tibet and prevent down development in Tibet because they are afraid India cant handle it.
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The Han people occupied Xinjiang in 100 BC, when Uighurs had not yet appeared.
Of course, now China needs the British who slaughtered tens of millions of Native Americans, slaughtered millions of Australians, and sold tens of millions of black slaves to teach what human rights are. :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha:
How convenient. When the terror and crimes against humanity turn out to be real its suddenly just a "rogue unit". Not the fault of the Australian army, not the fault of neocolonialism hiding behind labels of democracy, not the Australian regime that sent them there and still pays their pensions, not Australia at all. Just some rogue unit thats now done and superficially dealt with.
 
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Who cares if India needs Tibet? A military with absolutely no offensive capabilities and a nearly non-existent logistical supply network could never even make a meaningful advance into probably the world's greatest defensive obstacle, the Himalayan mountains. Just look at India's miserable performance in the Siachen and you will see how invading Tibet is completely out of the question. Even the mountain divisions of the Wehrmacht, a very well supplied and excellently trained force, could not cross the Caucasus mountains against second rate Soviet troops in WW2. The Indians, contrary to their wet dreams, are not anything close to the Wehrmacht ... and the Himalayan mountains are a much much greater obstacle than the Caucasus.
 
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