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Why India must put any overtures to Pakistan on hold - Rediff.com India News


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Given our troubled relationship with Pakistan, we need to keep our security apparatus in a state of alert with state-of-the-art equipment. All bilateral issues with Pakistan -- political, military, economic -- will simply have to go on the back-burner till Pakistan decides it wants to live as a good neighbour, says Vikram Sood.


Every change of government in New Delhi rekindles hope in the hearts of many that peace between India and Pakistan is about to break out. It is necessary to have a reality check on this. Successive Indian prime ministers have walked down this road, offering concessions to Pakistan, only to be disappointed.
Today Pakistan may play the injured innocent and claim that it is a victim of terrorism but the reality is that Pakistan is a victim of the policies of its leadership. Having invested so much in this policy of violent interference in its neighbourhood, having raised the rhetoric so high and despite having boxed above its weight all these years, the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment is unable to change the way it thinks much less make a U-turn in its policies towards India.
It is time we accept that Pakistan will not change its policies towards India and may even become worse as it Islamises and radicalises showing signs of becoming a Sharia state.
Since Pakistan will not change its attitude it is time we also thought of different approaches. So far, gestures have been interpreted to mean appeasement by the Pakistan deep state and a vindication of their confrontationist policy. Pakistan's DNA will not allow a change of policy, only a change of tactics. It will retain its terror option under a nuclear umbrella that today consists of 200 nuclear weapons all aimed at India and based on a close military and nuclear relationship with China.
Our policy towards Pakistan has been based on three misconceptions. One, the assumption that the civilian politicians favour a normal relationship with India but it is the army alone that is the impediment. Facts speak otherwise. It was then prime minister Zulfiqar Bhutto who said that Pakistan would make the Islamic bomb even if Pakistanis had to eat grass. It was Zulfiqar who dabbled with assisting the Islamic Afghans who had taken shelter in Pakistan having been pushed out by the Mohammad Daud Khan regime from Afghanistan.
It was his daughter, Benazir, who launched the Kashmir jihad and later propped up the Taliban. It was Nawaz Sharif who supported both the Taliban and anti-India groups, most of them fostered in Punjab, his stronghold.
Mumbai 1993 and later Kargil happened during Sharif's terms in office. Likewise, the Mumbai attacks of November 2008 happened during Asif Ali Zardari's presidency. There would be no significant change in the threats faced by us from Pakistan regardless of whether there was a dictator in command or an ostensibly civilian rule.
Two, if we engage Pakistan in a sustained dialogue and grant some concessions, this will strengthen the hands of Pakistan’s politicians and weaken the military’s stranglehold which is disliked by the people of Pakistan. Not quite so. Pakistanis may not be too fond of their generals as presidents but the military is seen as the only institution which is keeping the country together. Its political, economic and military’s role in Pakistan cannot be undermined or contained by any civilian dispensation.
The third flaw in this argument is the misplaced belief that we can bring about changes in the manner in which Pakistanis want to be governed. We do not have the ability to bring about political changes in Pakistan. It would be dangerous to tread into pastures where others have ventured and failed. Pakistan’s political process is an internal matter between its people and leadership.
The time has come for India to move away from its Pakistan-centric policy orientation. India and Pakistan hardly trade with each other, Pakistan will not give India transit to Afghanistan even though it stands to earn money, there are few tourists to each others' countries, Pakistan's hate India machinery is vocal and active, we never get to see each others' media except for those who surf on the Internet and they no longer tolerate Indian journalists on their soil. It will not surrender its terror option as a force equaliser and India has no cure for Pakistan's paranoia.
A foreign policy that uses hope as an instrument of policy overlooking essential national interests is bound to fail. The most important requirement for India in the next decade or at any other time, is rapid economic progress in the widest definition of the term. This will be the best guarantor for our security in the long run.
Since we cannot progress in isolation we need to engage other countries. Notable among them would be China for multiple reasons, Japan and South Korea for economic interests and Russia and Israel for both security and economic interests. Maybe early high-profile exchange of visits would set the trend.
Our relationship with China and Pakistan means we are a landlocked country to our north and west. We need to take the maritime route to Iran and through Iran to Afghanistan and to Southeast Asia.
Above all, the government needs to engage all our other immediate neighbours -- Bhutan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives in a sustained meaningful dialogue and provide economic assistance to these countries, in our own national interest and regain space that we might have lost in recent years.
Meanwhile, given our relationship with Pakistan, we need to keep our security apparatus in a state of alert with state-of-the-art equipment. All bilateral issues with Pakistan -- political, military, economic -- will simply have to go on the back-burner till Pakistan decides it wants to live as a good neighbour.
In our ordinary lives too it is not compulsory to have cordial relations with our neighbours; a nodding acquaintance and staying out each other's way is perfectly normal. So with nations.
Vikram Sood was former head of R&AW and is currently Adviser Observer Research Foundation New Delhi. He blogs at soodvikram.blogspot.in and can be followed on Twitter @VikramSood
 
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Indian obsession with a country so much smaller to their own, priceless!
If this "smaller" nation didn't pose a real threat to India's national security you think India would give two hoots about it?


This "obsession" is because of 26/11, Parliament attacks, daily infiltration attempts, countless foiled plots launched from Pakistan against India etc etc. If India is obsessed it has every right to be.
 
Size of a country does not matter when armed militants attack unarmed civilians waiting for a train at railway station.

Armed militants attack Because your armed military is butchering the unarmed civilians in Kashmir and dumping them in mass graves.

India will only see peace when Kashmir gets its birth right to self determination.
 
Armed militants attack Because your armed military is butchering the unarmed civilians in Kashmir and dumping them in mass graves.

India will only see peace when Kashmir gets its birth right to self determination.

You do a good job justifying attacks on civilians.
I am guessing the same "Because" can be used to justify all the attacks in Pakistan, the attack on a Pakistani student in India, may be also all the drones that killed civilians in Pakistan. I am sure you are not saying that it is the right thing, but just implying that you think that they are justifiable.
 
You do a good job justifying attacks on civilians.
I am guessing the same "Because" can be used to justify all the attacks in Pakistan, the attack on a Pakistani student in India, may be also all the drones that killed civilians in Pakistan. I am sure you are not saying that it is the right thing, but just implying that you think that they are justifiable.


1: The decision to target your military or civilians is made by your military when they pull triggers on Kashmiri people then dumping them in the mass graves.

2: The decision to pull the trigger is made by your politicians, whom 'you' have elected.

3: Indians getting killed by militants is nothing but a bi product of your decision to deny the Kashmiri people those rights that you want to have for yourself.

4: Stop denying their rights if you don't want to see your rights being violated, stop killing them if you don't want to see dead bodies on your side. Let them have their right to self determination if you want yours to be protected.
 
1: The decision to target your military or civilians is made by your military when they pull triggers on Kashmiri people then dumping them in the mass graves.

2: The decision to pull the trigger is made by your politicians, whom 'you' have elected.

3: Indians getting killed by militants is nothing but a bi product of your decision to deny the Kashmiri people those rights that you want to have for yourself.

4: Stop denying their rights if you don't want don't want to see your rights being violated, stop killing them if you don't want to see dead bodies on your side. Let them have their right to self determination if you want yours to be protected.

The terrorists involved in 26/11 were Pakistani not Indian Kashmiri.

1: The decision to target your military or civilians is made by your military when they pull triggers on Kashmiri people then dumping them in the mass graves.

2: The decision to pull the trigger is made by your politicians, whom 'you' have elected.

3: Indians getting killed by militants is nothing but a bi product of your decision to deny the Kashmiri people those rights that you want to have for yourself.

4: Stop denying their rights if you don't want to see your rights being violated, stop killing them if you don't want to see dead bodies on your side. Let them have their right to self determination if you want yours to be protected.

Also are you accepting that similar reasons can be used to justify all the civilian causalities in Pakistan?
 
1: The decision to target your military or civilians is made by your military when they pull triggers on Kashmiri people then dumping them in the mass graves.

2: The decision to pull the trigger is made by your politicians, whom 'you' have elected.

3: Indians getting killed by militants is nothing but a bi product of your decision to deny the Kashmiri people those rights that you want to have for yourself.

4: Stop denying their rights if you don't want don't want to see your rights being violated, stop killing them if you don't want to see dead bodies on your side. Let them have their right to self determination if you want yours to be protected.
Sir, you are living in the 90s if not the 80s. Today Kashmir is at peace largely and any spots of violence can be traced back to Pakistan who is attempting to keep the Kashmiri "pot on the boil". Are you really going to claim that 26/11 was launched for KASHMIR? Come on.

Your country knows it can't win a conventional war against India so is trying to bleed India through a thousand cuts.

Again, I'll ask, what business is it of yours regarding Kashmir? Today most Kashmirs would prefer independence over joining Pakistan. In your nation more innocents/Muslims are slaughtered on a weekly basis than on an annual basis in India. There are no suicide bombings in India and yet you carry on sponsoring these elements? I mean how mentally challenged are your leaders?

Even IF you have a genuine desire to resolve the Kashmir issue is your current and decades old modus operandi really paying off? You can see the blow back of this policy. for yourself, I don't need to tell you, a person that has to live in Pakistan everyday and see the mess your nation is in. Do ends really justify the means? I mean you are smart enough to see the Kashmir issue is a lost cause, India is now too powerful to ever consider anything other than maintaining the status quo. Isn't it time you directed your so-called leaders to put an end to all this and crush every single terror group in your nation instead of trying to play the foolish game of separating "good" terrorist from "bad" terrorist.

Armed militants attack Because your armed military is butchering the unarmed civilians in Kashmir and dumping them in mass graves.

Atrocities no doubt happened at Indian hands in the 80s and 90s but nowhere near the scale certain groups would have you believe. For the most part the wrong doers have been punished internally by the Indian Mil/CAPFs and these practices do not happen anymore.

Almost all accusations against the Indian forces in Kashmir are patently false and entirely malicious and an attempt to malign the Indian forces.

India will only see peace when Kashmir gets its birth right to self determination.
Kashmir is largely at peace now. The only thing stopping full peace is your nation-Pakistan.
 
1: The decision to target your military or civilians is made by your military when they pull triggers on Kashmiri people then dumping them in the mass graves.

1) l Give freedom of your so called AK, and Northern Area and also area which you have given to China without asking Kashmir people.

2) Take back all so non - Kashmiri population from those please and then we will grant JK freedom.

But , please don't go and start begging SA, China , USA when Indian came to border, like you did in Kargil and when Indian army reached after Parliament attack.

Why Pakistani people become brave in front of civilians and weak in front of armed mens.

3) So called your myth , no Kashmiri muslims migrated form J&K unlike Kashmri pandit which muslims and killed and forced them to migrate.

So stop living in denial like AK khan and OBL and start facing truth. Or else you will left on earth while everyone else shift to moon and mars.
 
Sir, you are living in the 90s if not the 80s. Today Kashmir is at peace largely and any spots of violence can be traced back to Pakistan who is attempting to keep the Kashmiri "pot on the boil". Are you really going to claim that 26/11 was launched for KASHMIR? Come on.

Your country knows it can't win a conventional war against India so is trying to bleed India through a thousand cuts.

Again, I'll ask, what business is it of yours regarding Kashmir? Today most Kashmirs would prefer independence over joining Pakistan. In your nation more innocents/Muslims are slaughtered on a weekly basis than on an annual basis in India. There are no suicide bombings in India and yet you carry on sponsoring these elements? I mean how mentally challenged are your leaders?

Even IF you have a genuine desire to resolve the Kashmir issue is your current and decades old modus operandi really paying off? You can see the blow back of this policy. for yourself, I don't need to tell you, a person that has to live in Pakistan everyday and see the mess your nation is in. Do ends really justify the means? I mean you are smart enough to see the Kashmir issue is a lost cause, India is now too powerful to ever consider anything other than maintaining the status quo. Isn't it time you directed your so-called leaders to put an end to all this and crush every single terror group in your nation instead of trying to play the foolish game of separating "good" terrorist from "bad" terrorist.



Atrocities no doubt happened at Indian hands in the 80s and 90s but nowhere near the scale certain groups would have you believe. For the most part the wrong doers have been punished internally by the Indian Mil/CAPFs and these practices do not happen anymore.

Almost all accusations against the Indian forces in Kashmir are patently false and entirely malicious and an attempt to malign the Indian forces.


Kashmir is largely at peace now. The only thing stopping full peace is your nation-Pakistan.


There will not be any reply man and you know that!
 
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