Why does Vietnam lag so far behind China, despite similar cultures and political systems?

[Bussard Ramjet]

When will the Chinese and Vietnamese stop fighting?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Sorry Rechoice, but you're 1 in a million people in Vietnam to know this. Not every Vietnamese like you and me are lucky to know this. VCP has to go. It has been proven that VCP is useless to the current situation. It has turned its back from Communism and slowly moving towards Democracy. Overseas Vietnamese have a huge influence on American soil and it can impact the US's president's decision. The reality is these news don't get broadcast into Vietnamese paper. A new government in Vietnam must emerge to adapt to a new "doi moi" change. If VCP truly cares for its people, it should have done this 40 years ago. I'm telling you Vietnam is very very behind. For it to pick up quickly, it has to be more open in regards to its business law, protection, and monitor corruption.

Dude, the democracy won't come to Vietnam when VCP has been overthrown, only the plutocracy will rule over Vietnam again.

Only the traitors within VCP can destroy the party, and those traitors will soon install the plutocracy in your country.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Dude, the democracy won't come to Vietnam when VCP has been overthrown, only the plutocracy will rule over Vietnam again.

Only the traitors within VCP can destroy the party, and those traitors will soon install the plutocracy in your country.

Whatever happens, don't do the mistake that Russia did with Ukraine.

Let it play out, the way you have dealt with Myanmar.

Eventually any government that comes to power, will come to its senses and keep good relations with China.

Only invade when your strategic security is threatened at a fundamental level by a possible Vietnamese alliance with others etc. That should be avoided, but don't invade, for it will be a self defeating task.

 

[Jlaw]

I agree ... in 1970s compared with the war-torn North Vietnam, South Vietnam was better & richer ... but as i said everything just blew away by later South-North War. That's not the democracy work very well, mostly coz the Peace. If past twenty years North-South Korea still fighting each other like last Korea War, do u think S.Korea can develop manufacture & electronic information industry very well ?

Yes, my cousins and uncles left the south in the 1980s Vietnam due to persecution from government. Their family have been there since the 50s.

 

[cnleio]

Yes, my cousins and uncles left the south in the 1980s Vietnam due to persecution from government. Their family have been there since the 50s.

They r ever Vietnamese-Hua ? It's well-known to us that in 1980s Vietnam government ever drived their Vietnamese-Chinese out from their home coz boundary dispute with China.

 

[Aepsilons]

They r ever Vietnamese-Hua ? It's well-known to us that in 1980s Vietnam government ever drived their Vietnamese-Chinese out from their home coz boundary dispute with China.

Those are the ones who can trace their lineage tho. There are quite a number of Vietnamese who have Chinese ancestry but have lost documentation after the war or through the ages. The guy who cuts my hair is Vietnamese, but he has surname Nguyen , and its funny because he told me then Nguyen is the transliterated of the Chinese surname 阮.

In fact in Hokchew dialect Nguyen is "Nguang". The Vietnamese Nguyen Clan is actually traces the progenitor to a Chinese ancestor.

That just shows you the level of imbeddedness.

They r ever Vietnamese-Hua ? It's well-known to us that in 1980s Vietnam government ever drived their Vietnamese-Chinese out from their home coz boundary dispute with China.

Yuen and Nguyen are also same; for those who are Cantonese.

Yes, my cousins and uncles left the south in the 1980s Vietnam due to persecution from government. Their family have been there since the 50s.

So your family is Chinese-Vietnamese then. So why are you so keen in insulting Vietnamese despite your kin relations? Perhaps you should exercise restraint when you have the guttural need to throw racist vitriol against your Vietnamese cousins. Considering your own uncle and cousins are Vietnamese themselves.

Dude, the democracy won't come to Vietnam when VCP has been overthrown, only the plutocracy will rule over Vietnam again.

Only the traitors within VCP can destroy the party, and those traitors will soon install the plutocracy in your country.

Vietnam was once an imperial absolutist monarchy, then it became a colonial democracy, then socialist, now a capitalist-socialist. What is the theme here?

The theme is : Impermanence.

Vietnam adopts various forms of government based on the need of the times. Vietnam becoming a democracy is , in my opinion, an eventuality.

Dude, the democracy won't come to Vietnam when VCP has been overthrown, only the plutocracy will rule over Vietnam again.

Only the traitors within VCP can destroy the party, and those traitors will soon install the plutocracy in your country.

The same for China. Chinese government institutional forms composed of the following:

Princely baronships -- > Imperial Absolute Monarchy --> Warlordism --> Explorative Democracy --> Republicanism --- Communism, Republicanism.

Theme of ? Impermanence.

 

[Jlaw]

Those are the ones who can trace their lineage tho. There are quite a number of Vietnamese who have Chinese ancestry but have lost documentation after the war or through the ages. The guy who cuts my hair is Vietnamese, but he has surname Nguyen , and its funny because he told me then Nguyen is the transliterated of the Chinese surname 阮.

In fact in Hokchew dialect Nguyen is "Nguang". The Vietnamese Nguyen Clan is actually traces the progenitor to a Chinese ancestor.

That just shows you the level of imbeddedness.



Yuen and Nguyen are also same; for those who are Cantonese.



So your family is Chinese-Vietnamese then. So why are you so keen in insulting Vietnamese despite your kin relations? Perhaps you should exercise restraint when you have the guttural need to throw racist vitriol against your Vietnamese cousins. Considering your own uncle and cousins are Vietnamese themselves.



Vietnam was once an imperial absolutist monarchy, then it became a colonial democracy, then socialist, now a capitalist-socialist. What is the theme here?

The theme is : Impermanence.

Vietnam adopts various forms of government based on the need of the times. Vietnam becoming a democracy is , in my opinion, an eventuality.

]buddy, that's my cousins and uncles. I have cousins in HK, Macau and France too..I'm from Guangzhou

 

[Aepsilons]

]buddy, that's my cousins and uncles. I have cousins in HK, Macau and France too..I'm from Guangzhou

Still they settled in Vietnam and eventually took up a Vietnamese identity. I argue that your uncle probably is fluent in Vietnamese and in his green card or passport , probably has a Vietnamized surname. Most likely.

The point here buddy is the level of imbeddedness both China has with Vietnam and vice versa. A cautionary tale of inhibition more or less is what i'm espousing that you assume.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Jlaw]

Still they settled in Vietnam and eventually took up a Vietnamese identity. I argue that your uncle probably is fluent in Vietnamese and in his green card or passport , probably has a Vietnamized surname. Most likely.

The point here buddy is the level of imbeddedness both China has with Vietnam and vice versa. A cautionary tale of inhibition more or less is what i'm espousing that you assume.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Nonsense as they already left in the 80s.

 

[Aepsilons]

Nonsense as they already left in the 80s.

Most probably took advantage of the American or Canadian refugee processes , yes? They probably claimed Vietnamese persecution as catalyst and nationality declared was: Vietnamese.

This is the reason why there's close to 3 million Vietnamese in the United States and close to some 2 million in Canada.

 

[Jlaw]

Most probably took advantage of the American or Canadian refugee processes , yes? They probably claimed Vietnamese persecution as catalyst and nationality declared was: Vietnamese.

This is the reason why there's close to 3 million Vietnamese in the United States and close to some 2 million in Canada.

No, you're wrong again. What's wrong with you today?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The same for China. Chinese government institutional forms composed of the following:

Princely baronships -- > Imperial Absolute Monarchy --> Warlordism --> Explorative Democracy --> Republicanism --- Communism, Republicanism.

Theme of ? Impermanence.

Nope, China is socialism + state capitalism.

China is always the most advanced East Asian nation, and her Confucianism has influenced other East Asian nations for over millennia.

Now China is localizing the Marxism, and this will eventually prove that we are always more advanced than others.

 

[Aepsilons]

Ok buddy. Whatever you say

Hehehe, toppin' it.

Nope, China is socialism + state capitalism.

China is always the most advanced East Asian nation, and her Confucianism has influenced other East Asian nations for over millennia.

Now China is localizing the Marxism, and this will eventually prove that we are always more advanced than others.

Even the great Zhu state was crushed by the diminutive Qin. Not through direct confrontation, but through guile and strategem. Remember that.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hehehe, toppin' it.



Even the great Zhu state was crushed by the diminutive Qin. Not through direct confrontation, but through gile and strategem. Remember that.

Do you mean Chu?

BTW, Japan is certainly not Qin, that's for sure.

 

[Aepsilons]

Do you mean Chu?

BTW, Japan is certainly not Qin, that's for sure.

I meant Zhou, 周朝