Why China, with same size of power grid, won’t suffer outage like in the US

[ToddBing]

According to Hong Kong media the outage lasted a week but I totally get how a week in utopian China can feel like a mere hour to you.

‘It hit us badly’: China’s businesses left cold by worst blackouts in decade

Provinces across China are struggling with the worst blackouts in nearly 10 years, as authorities try to curb energy use by imposing restrictions on businesses and residents.

www.scmp.com

I really can not understand why you guys no shame when lying.
On which world did any Chinese city power shortage for one week?

广深无预警大停电 断网断水街道漆黑如隔世

广州、东莞、深圳、佛山及珠海部分地区，周一凌晨零时停电约一个小时。有网民指出，不但家居用电受影响，连街灯也熄灭，部分城区漆黑一片；另因水泵、手机发射站等均断电，令生活用水、手机网络等亦受影响。事隔将近12小时，广州供电局同日上午11时许回应，停电因故障所致，并非拉闸限电。

www.rfi.fr

According RFI,Shenzhen, which reffered in the news you post has once blackout for no nore than one hour,according to people live there, 有些地区停电时间不长，约数分钟便恢复，也有部分地区停电持续数十分钟.

Some area has blackout for sevral minutes to get recovered, and others tens of minutes, but none longer than one hour.

 

[tower9]

The American govt. is incompetent and gets nothing done. This is the case on the federal level down to the local level. It gets worse every year.

 

[Beidou2020]

Many US states are now rivalling India as a failed state. Even California and New York the number of homeless people are staggering. Things keep going from bad to worse for the US. We are witnessing the collapse and disintegration of the US.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

The dire situation in Texas power grid is driven by a perfect storm of record demand and generation failure. The later appears to be a more severe driver.

One the demand side, I haven’t seen the exact data but the peak demand over this week has been much higher than operator’s highest estimate of 67,000MW, which could in the order mid 70,000MW or approaching 80,000MW. Texas, being a Southern state, usually sees its absolute peak in summer, driven by cooling demand.

On the supply side, there should be 83,000MW of available capacity to meet demand but 34,000MW has been kicked offline, meaning there’s only around 50,000MW left . It is still unclear what exactly causes the outage and I have seen reports quoting significant gas supply failure/limitations. Renewable energy like wind and solar didn’t help due to the freezing temperatures. What makes things worst is that Texas grid is not connected to other power grid in the US as it is an closest market with its own pricing and dispatch rules.

With the information on hand, I don’t think there is too much the grid operator can do as on paper it should have enough power supply to meet this extreme demand even they didn’t expect it to be this high. the generation were kicked out in batch. No one can do anything when 40% of the generation is taken offline. Can there be more generation be built to cover this. Certainly but it also means they will be sitting there most time of the year and not making any money.

What they can probably do differently is connecting to other power grid in the US. They should still able to run their power market as this is how power markets in Europe work. When there is significant shortfall in supply you can draw power from other part of the grid, with a price naturally. However the question is who is going to pay for building the transmission lines that is capable of transmitting this kind of power in the US. It may well be cheaper to build power plants within Texas and let’s sit there as backup, which is a cost. It all comes down to the question that whether electricity is a commodity or social goods. In China it is clearly the later and they have put security of supply to the uppermost position and build massive margin into the system. In Texas’ case, they have put more focus on economical efficiency which means there is less margin of error.

 

[danger007]

USA is a company alike country. The employers want to make as much money as possible but don't care much their employees. As a result, the employees have lot of freedom but they don't count on their bosses when they are in crisis.

China is family alike country. Less freedom but the government has more responsiblities to family members.

family but less freedom ... logic fails... living in golden cage doesn't mean you have better life.. eve you guys don't have choice to speak whatever you want privately.... because your mobiles monitor your private conversations..

Do Chinese phone apps secretly listen to you? Industry insiders doubt it - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

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Lolz you guys always amuse me with such lunatic logic...

Many US states are now rivalling India as a failed state. Even California and New York the number of homeless people are staggering. Things keep going from bad to worse for the US. We are witnessing the collapse and disintegration of the US.

Leave about India... we got long road, space to grow.... despite the homeless people.. with less population US still have better per capita or bigger economy than china... willing to collapse.. lol you for real... world is dependent on USD... not ccp cents..

 

[ToddBing]

Leave about India... we got long road, space to grow.... despite the homeless people.. with less population US still have better per capita or bigger economy than china... willing to collapse.. lol you for real... world is dependent on USD... not ccp cents..

American: We got power outage.
Chinese:what's power outage?
Indian:what's power?

 

[kankan326]

family but less freedom ... logic fails... living in golden cage doesn't mean you have better life.. eve you guys don't have choice to speak whatever you want privately.... because your mobiles monitor your private conversations..

Don't comment on something you don't know. Chinese people criticize their government a lot. China just doesn't abuse speech right like Inida. Which turns out nothing but all mess.

Families do have restriction to their members becuase of responsibility. That's common sense.

 

[Dungeness]

Power lines here in the states are mostly hanging on posts, like what you can see in the photos of Chinese cities of 1980's, severe weather like strong wind and heavy snow falls would knot out trees and snap power lines. Nowaday in China most power lines in urban areas went underground so mostly free of weather conditions.

I have personally experienced quite few times power outages in my area, and the longest being a week in the dead cold winter. It was quite new experience, as it brought me a weird sense of tranquility, the whole world just seemed to slow down and you have a perfect excuse to be lazy.

 

[dbc]

I really can not understand why you guys no shame when lying.
On which world did any Chinese city power shortage for one week?

广深无预警大停电 断网断水街道漆黑如隔世

广州、东莞、深圳、佛山及珠海部分地区，周一凌晨零时停电约一个小时。有网民指出，不但家居用电受影响，连街灯也熄灭，部分城区漆黑一片；另因水泵、手机发射站等均断电，令生活用水、手机网络等亦受影响。事隔将近12小时，广州供电局同日上午11时许回应，停电因故障所致，并非拉闸限电。

www.rfi.fr

According RFI,Shenzhen, which reffered in the news you post has once blackout for no nore than one hour,according to people live there, 有些地区停电时间不长，约数分钟便恢复，也有部分地区停电持续数十分钟.

Some area has blackout for sevral minutes to get recovered, and others tens of minutes, but none longer than one hour.

I don’t speak Chinese the scmp source I cited said the outage lasted a week.

 

[danger007]

Don't comment on something you don't know. Chinese people criticize their government a lot. China just don't abuse speech right like Inida. Which turns out nothing but all mess.

Families do have restriction to their members becuase of responsibility. That's common sense.

That is why jack ma reached moon soon after criticize ccp comrade...

 

[dbc]

The dire situation in Texas power grid is driven by a perfect storm of record demand and generation failure. The later appears to be a more severe driver.

One the demand side, I haven’t seen the exact data but the peak demand over this week has been much higher than operator’s highest estimate of 67,000MW, which could in the order mid 70,000MW or approaching 80,000MW. Texas, being a Southern state, usually sees its absolute peak in summer, driven by cooling demand.

On the supply side, there should be 83,000MW of available capacity to meet demand but 34,000MW has been kicked offline, meaning there’s only around 50,000MW left . It is still unclear what exactly causes the outage and I have seen reports quoting significant gas supply failure/limitations. Renewable energy like wind and solar didn’t help due to the freezing temperatures. What makes things worst is that Texas grid is not connected to other power grid in the US as it is an closest market with its own pricing and dispatch rules.

With the information on hand, I don’t think there is too much the grid operator can do as on paper it should have enough power supply to meet this extreme demand even they didn’t expect it to be this high. the generation were kicked out in batch. No one can do anything when 40% of the generation is taken offline. Can there be more generation be built to cover this. Certainly but it also means they will be sitting there most time of the year and not making any money.

What they can probably do differently is connecting to other power grid in the US. They should still able to run their power market as this is how power markets in Europe work. When there is significant shortfall in supply you can draw power from other part of the grid, with a price naturally. However the question is who is going to pay for building the transmission lines that is capable of transmitting this kind of power in the US. It may well be cheaper to build power plants within Texas and let’s sit there as backup, which is a cost. It all comes down to the question that whether electricity is a commodity or social goods. In China it is clearly the later and they have put security of supply to the uppermost position and build massive margin into the system. In Texas’ case, they have put more focus on economical efficiency which means there is less margin of error.

Texas intentionally stayed out of the national grid. It is the only state to have its own grid ERCOT.

 

[danger007]

American: We got power shortage.
Chinese:what's power shortage?
Indian:what's power?

Lolz... funny ccp brigade ...

 

[dbc]

The American govt. is incompetent and gets nothing done. This is the case on the federal level down to the local level. It gets worse every year.

.. but why is the Chinese government so insecure, why do they feel the constant need to tell everyone how their government is so perfect.

 

[Dungeness]

I don’t speak Chinese the scmp source I cited said the outage lasted a week.

That might be a problem. It always helps to be able to hear different side of a story.

 

[kankan326]

That is why jack ma reached moon soon after criticize ccp comrade...

Jack Ma didn't just criticize CCP. He wanted to change financial rules. Which is not tolerable in any country. Jack Ma is fine. He just stays in low profile now. And not just Chinese government is unhappy to Jack Ma. So are the ordinary Chinese. For Jack Ma, high profile only makes the situation worse.