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Why an Indian lawyer tried to sue God

Except for Sarasvati and Usha theres no mention of female goddess in the vedas (proof me wrong ?) . You need to figure out yourself, how Aryan Brahmins looted natives 'pagan' religion to be absorbed into their Vedic Brahmanism using dubious 'puranas' (myths)

I am sure you are also naïve to believe Aryan Brahmin lies - i.e the Elephant god and Murugan were Siva - Parvati sons .:no:

Interesting. Please educate me more on what actually happened as per Tamil literature.
 
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using your twisted logic then Modiji is also a Maryada Purshotaam - never remarried, left his wife (people's choice not his), and giving the e.g man suffering for disrespecting his wife etc

If anything its the Tamils who suffered the most for this maniac's crime of humanity - genocide of native Tamils and using deception to kill the monkey Vali - who is not subjected to Aryan moral codes

After giving whole load of knowledge/ enlightenment to Arjuna, Lord Krishna told Arjuna, that don't take it without using your brain and logic. He told Arjuna to weigh them with his own logic, and believe what he think is correct.

Even there are some, who worship Ravana in Delhi, does not means they are evil or bad, its the way of perception and thinking to extract the juice and take example from the character. Similarly if you stand in the most Southern part of the India, and look toward the South, and think that this is the end of the country, or look at the north, then you realize that its just the start of the India.

Ramayana is an old Grantha, in the form of the story of Ram, and our old sage like Valmiki and many were intelligent enough to give the knowledge in the form of Story. The knowledge of how a king should be, a brother, a father, a mother, a wife so that if you give the knowledge in form of the story, the interest of the general masses would remain prolong, other wise it will go off the head of most of the general masses because only the intelligent person could only understand the real motive, and the meaning of this knowledge, which are narrated in the form of the story.

A good example from the Ramayana is the Ravana with 10 Head,. Now which organism have such structure, for the general masses they can imagine Ravana with 10 head in a row, but for the intelligent person the 10 heads indicates the knowledge of 4 Vedas and 6 Grantha.

Similarly the Earth balancing on 3 pillors or points :-

Turtle of Lord Vishnu Avtaar, Horn of Kamdhenu Cow, Head of Sheshnaag

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1. Back of Turtle -- means the toughness, hard work
2. Horn of Cow -- means love, affection
3. Head of Snake -- means terror whether of mother, father, teacher, law


And by the way, the top 5 females according to Hindus are :

Sita -- Wife of Lord Ram
Mandodari -- Wife of Ravana
Anasuya -- Wife of Sage, who make Shiva, vishnu, Brahma child
Draupadi -- Wife of Pandavas
Putana -- Female Deamon, who tried to kill Lord Krishna with her poisoned Milk.

Interesting. Please educate me more on what actually happened as per Tamil literature.

He is referring to Kamba Ramayanam

One main difference is that the Kamba Ramayanam, ends with the Yudhakandaam, ie, Ram defeating and killing Ravan, and returning back to Ayodhya. The Uttarakandam which is there in Valmiki's Ramayana is not present in Kamba Ramayanam, it has no mention of the Lava Kusa story.


Another difference is in the way, the epics are structured. Kamba Ramayanam, has a very defined grammatical structure, where each Kaanda is divided into 123 sections called as Padalams, and together they contain around 12,000 verses. The Valmiki Ramayana on the other hand, has double the number of Slokas compared to the Kamba Ramayana.

Also due to difference in time period, some parts of the epic have been modified to suit the then social sensibilities. In Valmiki's Ramayan, Tara, the wife of Vali, marries Sugriva after her husband's death, while in Kamba Ramayan, she remains a widow forever.

Ravan's character is portrayed more positively in Kamba Ramayan, more as a great ruler, who was felled by his own lust. It shows, in the episode of Sita's abduction, where in Valmiki's Ramayan, Ravan, physically lifts her up and drags her away, in Kamba Ramayana, he lifts up the hut in which Sita was there, along with the earth underneath it.

But overall, there is not much difference in the main story,except for some nuances, in the characterization.

Baki Lage Raho
 
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After giving whole load of knowledge/ enlightenment to Arjuna, Lord Krishna told Arjuna, that don't take it without using your brain and logic. He told Arjuna to weigh them with his own logic, and believe what he think is correct.

Even there are some, who worship Ravana in Delhi, does not means they are evil or bad, its the way of perception and thinking to extract the juice and take example from the character. Similarly if you stand in the most Southern part of the India, and look toward the South, and think that this is the end of the country, or look at the north, then you realize that its just the start of the India.

Ramayana is an old Grantha, in the form of the story of Ram, and our old sage like Valmiki and many were intelligent enough to give the knowledge in the form of Story. The knowledge of how a king should be, a brother, a father, a mother, a wife so that if you give the knowledge in form of the story, the interest of the general masses would remain prolong, other wise it will go off the head of most of the general masses because only the intelligent person could only understand the real motive, and the meaning of this knowledge, which are narrated in the form of the story.

A good example from the Ramayana is the Ravana with 10 Head,. Now which organism have such structure, for the general masses they can imagine Ravana with 10 head in a row, but for the intelligent person the 10 heads indicates the knowledge of 4 Vedas and 6 Grantha.

Similarly the Earth balancing on 3 pillors or points :-

Turtle of Lord Vishnu Avtaar, Horn of Kamdhenu Cow, Head of Sheshnaag

OR

1. Back of Turtle -- means the toughness, hard work
2. Horn of Cow -- means love, affection
3. Head of Snake -- means terror whether of mother, father, teacher, law


And by the way, the top 5 females according to Hindus are :

Sita -- Wife of Lord Ram
Mandodari -- Wife of Ravana
Anasuya -- Wife of Sage, who make Shiva, vishnu, Brahma child
Draupadi -- Wife of Pandavas
Putana -- Female Deamon, who tried to kill Lord Krishna with her poisoned Milk.



He is referring to Kamba Ramayanam

One main difference is that the Kamba Ramayanam, ends with the Yudhakandaam, ie, Ram defeating and killing Ravan, and returning back to Ayodhya. The Uttarakandam which is there in Valmiki's Ramayana is not present in Kamba Ramayanam, it has no mention of the Lava Kusa story.


Another difference is in the way, the epics are structured. Kamba Ramayanam, has a very defined grammatical structure, where each Kaanda is divided into 123 sections called as Padalams, and together they contain around 12,000 verses. The Valmiki Ramayana on the other hand, has double the number of Slokas compared to the Kamba Ramayana.

Also due to difference in time period, some parts of the epic have been modified to suit the then social sensibilities. In Valmiki's Ramayan, Tara, the wife of Vali, marries Sugriva after her husband's death, while in Kamba Ramayan, she remains a widow forever.

Ravan's character is portrayed more positively in Kamba Ramayan, more as a great ruler, who was felled by his own lust. It shows, in the episode of Sita's abduction, where in Valmiki's Ramayan, Ravan, physically lifts her up and drags her away, in Kamba Ramayana, he lifts up the hut in which Sita was there, along with the earth underneath it.

But overall, there is not much difference in the main story,except for some nuances, in the characterization.

Baki Lage Raho

very well said.

There is no black and white in universe. It's always gray. The question is always about the shade of gray.

Ravana himself was the greatest devotee of Shiva.

Even though he desired to marry Sita he never forced her to marry him even after he kidnapped her to Lanka. It shows that he still had ethics.

What about "Ananda Ramayana"? These stories have been very popular in Telugu movies.

Ananda Ramayana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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After giving whole load of knowledge/ enlightenment to Arjuna, Lord Krishna told Arjuna, that don't take it without using your brain and logic. He told Arjuna to weigh them with his own logic, and believe what he think is correct.

holy cow !!! so Arjuna's decision to fight was based on own logic ? If he had to listen to Krishna, (in the midst of the war) it means he had no brains to use his own logic - Krishna manipulated Arjuna. Mahabharata war was fought by Krishna , Arjuna was just a pawn

BG Chapter 11 Text 32
I am the mighty world-destroying Time, here made manifest for the purpose of infolding the world. Even without thee, none of the warriors arrayed in the hostile armies shall live

Ramayana is an old Grantha, in the form of the story of Ram, and our old sage like Valmiki and many were intelligent enough to give the knowledge in the form of Story. The knowledge of how a king should be, a brother, a father, a mother, a wife so that if you give the knowledge in form of the story, the interest of the general masses would remain prolong, other wise it will go off the head of most of the general masses because only the intelligent person could only understand the real motive, and the meaning of this knowledge, which are narrated in the form of the story.

1 -Ramayana was originally in Sanskrit - the language of the elite , only after Tulsi das re- writing the Ramayana it became available to the North Hindian mass in their own vernacular language (Same applies to Kamba Ramayanam in Tamil)

BTW Tulsi das was from the Ramanandi sect which is a branch of the Tamil Vaisnava sect - (******** should be eternally grateful to Tamils for reviving their cult - if not , ******** would not have withstood the onslaught of Islamic da'wah )

2- Ram was no king but 'supposed' to be god incarnate

A good example from the Ramayana is the Ravana with 10 Head,. Now which organism have such structure, for the general masses they can imagine Ravana with 10 head in a row, but for the intelligent person the 10 heads indicates the knowledge of 4 Vedas and 6 Grantha.

it doesn't matter how many heads - the fact is - those who opposed Vedic Aryan Brahmanism were depicted as evil (asura) followers of Tamil god - Sivan

And by the way, the top 5 females according to Hindus are :

Sita -- Wife of Lord Ram
Mandodari -- Wife of Ravana
Anasuya -- Wife of Sage, who make Shiva, vishnu, Brahma child
Draupadi -- Wife of Pandavas
Putana -- Female Deamon, who tried to kill Lord Krishna with her poisoned Milk.

these are Aryan Brahmnical mythological characters to dominate and subjugate the conquered natives - Tamils - to Vedic culture through fictitious myths, ithihasa etc

Tamils have their own historic and religious heroines - Kannagi, Vasuki , Avvai, Andal, Punithawati etc, there's no need for alien Aryan females to serve as role models
 
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very well said.

There is no black and white in universe. It's always gray. The question is always about the shade of gray.

Ravana himself was the greatest devotee of Shiva.

Even though he desired to marry Sita he never forced her to marry him even after he kidnapped her to Lanka. It shows that he still had ethics.

What about "Ananda Ramayana"? These stories have been very popular in Telugu movies.

Ananda Ramayana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Come on dude, Ravana had ethics? Stealing other man's wife also showed some ethics?
 
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Only two things :-

1. This person wants sensation nothing else because there are many ways to work for the women's right.

2. Ram was Maryada Purshotaam, and he is Maryada Purshotaam, and he will be Maryada Purshotaam because his act could be debated but here are the positive facts

a) He didn't get remarried
b) He was following the King's duty, aka people's choice not does he suspessious.
c) He was also hurt, and recieve equal pain with the departure.
d) If he didn't done that, how could he gave the example, how a man suffer when he don't respect his wife. Actually Ram whole episode is the example and one thing what I believe is that its the name RAM which is bigger than Ram, because the stone with the name RAM afloat in the water, not the Ram himself, and its the name RAM which makes the killer Angulimaar a Sage Valmiki, not the ram himself.


Rest lage raho.

Well ram turned out to be quite a male chauvinist didn't he? The lawyer is right, why should such a man be revered in this day and age? There was a time when women were not treated equally, these are different times now.
Ram would have found himself in a court of law had he pulled off such a stunt today.

holy cow !!! so Arjuna's decision to fight was based on own logic ? If he had no brains to use his own logic, it means it was easy for Krishna to manipulate Arjuna through work jugglery - through out the Bhagavat Gita

Mahabharata war was fought by Krishna , Arjuna was just a pawn



1 -Ramayana was originally in Sanskrit - the language of the elite , only after Tulsi das re- writing the Ramayana it became available to the North Hindian mass in their own vernacular language (Same applies to Kamba Ramayanam in Tamil)

BTW Tulsi das was from the Ramanandi sect which is a branch of the Tamil Vaisnava sect - (******** should be eternally grateful to Tamils for reviving their cult - if not , ******** would not have withstood the onslaught of Islamic da'wah )

2- Ram was no king but 'supposed' to be god incarnate



it doesn't matter how many heads - the fact is - those who opposed Vedic Aryan Brahmanism were depicted as evil (asura) followers of Tamil god - Sivan



these are Aryan Brahmnical mythological characters to dominate and subjugate the conquered natives - Tamils - to Vedic culture through fictitious myths, ithihasa etc

Tamils have their own historic and religious heroines - Kannagi, Vasuki , Avvai, Andal, Punithawati etc, there's no need for alien Aryan females to serve as role models

Tamil jingoism. Nobody conquered you. North Indians are not outsiders. No aryan invasion happened.
You Tamils don't integrate. I don't know of any culture within India that can tolerate your superiority complex and blatant racist attitudes.

using your twisted logic then Modiji is also a Maryada Purshotaam - never remarried, left his wife (people's choice not his), and giving the e.g man suffering for disrespecting his wife etc

If anything its the Tamils who suffered the most for this maniac's crime of humanity - genocide of native Tamils and using deception to kill the monkey Vali - who is not subjected to Aryan moral codes

Agree on the Modi part...but what the fuckity f***!
genocide of native tamils? makes 0 sense.

except for Agastya (as its also mentioned in Tamil sources) the rest is Aryan Brahmanical lies

The epic Ramayana - used the divinity (Ram) to wage a psychological war over the natives - in order to establish Aryan Brahamnical superiority over Shaivite Tamils.

Ramayana's sole purpose is the justification of Aryan Vedic conquest over (non Vedic) Dravidian Tamils. Where the destruction of native Tamils and protection of * Vedic culture is ordained by a divine 'incarnation'

* Vedic culture - propagated the supremacy of the patriarchal social order vs Tamil matriarchy social order.
Aryan supremacists couldn't digest the fact that Dravidian women had freedom - e.g Tamil Surparnakha (unlike Aryan Sita) - was brave enough to confront Rama , so they had to physically disfigure her boldness and psychologically brand her as a seductive demoness

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This is ace comedy! :tup:
 
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Tamils don't have superiority complex, it's the inferiority complex of the other states which accepted a language(hindi) outside their culture, make them feel tamils are superior. In a world, where within 67years people adopt and bat for a different language from their culture, we preserved our language and culture for 1000s of years... Of course we have every right to take pride even if it looks so thick.

Lord shiva and murugan was present while introducing the tamil grammar agathiyam at the first tamil sangam which is almost 2000years before. So we have every reason to believe shiva and muruga as tamil deities and hinduism merged our deities in to their religion. Even local deities are said to be hindu gods, seems like paganism is said to be hinduism. Thats why without shame RSS like hindu outfits are claiming, entire world followed hinduism once. Even if paganism is hinduism, its birth place can't be india, even the egyptians and mayans believed a life after death like it is in hinduism. Their civilisations are much older than the one existed here.
 
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except for Agastya (as its also mentioned in Tamil sources) the rest is Aryan Brahmanical lies

The epic Ramayana - used the divinity (Ram) to wage a psychological war over the natives - in order to establish Aryan Brahamnical superiority over Shaivite Tamils.

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You are not the only Shaivites .
Up North Kashmiri Pandits are Shaivites too .

Tamils don't have superiority complex, it's the inferiority complex of the other states which accepted a language(hindi) outside their culture, make them feel tamils are superior. In a world, where within 67years people adopt and bat for a different language from their culture, we preserved for our language and culture for 1000s of years... Of course we have every right to take pride even if it's so thick.

Lord shiva and murugan was present while introducing the tamil grammar agathiyam at the first tamil sangam which is almost 2000years before. So we have every reason to believe shiva and muruga as tamil deities and hinduism merged our deities in to their religion. Even local deities are said to be hindu gods, seems like paganism is said to be hinduism. Thats why without shame RSS like hindu outfits are claiming, entire world followed hinduism once. Even if paganism is hinduism, its birth place can't be india, even the egyptians and mayans believed a life after death like it is in hinduism. Their civilisations are much older than the existed here.

What is your View of Shiva ?

I think of him as a Universal Consciousness and Brahman .
 
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You are not the only Shaivites .
Up North Kashmiri Pandits are Shaivites too .



What is your View of Shiva ?

I think of him as a Universal Consciousness and Brahman .
I believe Shiva was most likely a poet or a respected elder who did something to the society. Tamils have the habit of worshipping their ancestors, even now everyone will worship their ancestors on a special day with the things they liked the most. Shiva was most likely one such god during old times, like karuppasamy and ayyanar in the modern day. His likes might have crossed across the border with the sangam kings, like cholas did till Indonesia.
 
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I believe Shiva was most likely a poet or a respected elder who did something to the society. Tamils have the habit of worshipping their ancestors, even now everyone will worship their ancestors on a special day with the things they liked the most. Shiva was most likely one such god during old times, like karuppasamy and ayyanar in the modern day. His likes might have crossed across the border with the sangam kings, like cholas did till Indonesia.

I also think some what like that .
I also like Jaggi Vasudev and his views on Hindu traditions .

Do u mean something like Shrada , Where some rituals and Fruits/Food are offered to pitr ( Ancestors ) ?
 
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I also think some what like that .
I also like Jaggi Vasudev and his views on Hindu traditions .

Do u mean something like Shrada , Where some rituals and Fruits/Food are offered to pitr ( Ancestors ) ?
our relatives during diwali day, will put garlands to our ancestors photo and will worship them with the fruits, dishes(including chicken, mutton) they liked the most.
 
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