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Like other big contractors, American space companies have long expected some friendly support from their government. And Uncle Sam has usually been more than happy to help. Sometimes, though, government help causes more harm than good.

Since 2005, U.S. satellite manufacturers have been prohibited from hiring India's space agency to launch their equipment. Private American launch companies, such as SpaceX, are quite happy with this arrangement, which was intended to protect them. But the ban is not only wrong in principle -- it's actually impeding an exciting new American industry.

Last month, under pressure from satellite operators and manufacturers, U.S. trade officials began reviewing the decade-old policy. They should heed the pressure and overturn it.

Emerging India may seem like an unlikely competitor for Silicon Valley rocket companies. Yet since 1969, the Indian Space Research Organization has consistently punched above its modest weight class, racking up a series of cheap and practical achievements. One of its most important feats was the development of the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle, which was designed to carry satellites for monitoring agriculture and water resources, among other things. What made the PSLV unique was that it was designed to launch small satellites. And that's a good niche to occupy at the moment.

Over the past few years, the small-satellite market has boomed as advances in miniaturization made space accessible to governments and companies that might never have considered it. The uses for such gear seem almost limitless, from shoebox-sized climate-monitoring devices to Samsung's plan to use thousands of micro-satellites to provide global internet access. Some $2.5 billion has been invested in the industry over the past decade.

But getting all those satellites into space is now proving to be a problem, and U.S. policy is partly to blame.

In the 1980s, Ronald Reagan's administration sought to protect nascent private launch companies from subsidized foreign competition by setting up Commercial Space Launch Agreements. The idea was simple: In exchange for the chance to put U.S. satellites into space, foreign governments agreed to launch quotas and set fees. Both China and Russia signed such agreements. In 2005, India was asked to do the same. While the U.S. waited for an answer (it was and continues to be "no"), it imposed an export moratorium on satellites for Indian launch.

The timing was no accident. In 2005, SpaceX was building its Falcon 1 rocket, which was designed to carry small satellites. The ban even came to be known as the "SpaceX Agreement." Problematically, though, the Falcon 1 had only one commercial launch before it was retired in 2009. At the time, the small satellite boom hadn't yet taken off, and SpaceX didn't believe there was a commercial justification for the rocket. (It's now scrambling to correct that mistake.)

Since then, no other U.S. company has offered a rocket for small satellite launches (though some are reportedly in the works), even as demand has surged. That leaves American satellite companies with few options. The U.S. Trade Representative has handed out occasional waivers from the moratorium. And a European government consortium now offers its own small satellite launch vehicle, for a hefty fee. But a far cheaper and more reliable option -- going to India -- remains off the table.

That's only hurting American companies, while sending the wrong message to India. Civilian space cooperation would benefit the economies of both countries, and restraining it to protect American companies -- which have had 10 years to come up with a competitive product -- can't be justified from a business or diplomatic standpoint. If the U.S. government wants to help its space companies shoot for the stars, it should stop shooting itself in the foot.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-01/why-america-needs-india-s-rockets
 
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I don't see a problem with U.S satellite companies using India rockets. SpaceX and ULA are focused on launching medium and large satellites while ISRO specializes in small and micro satellites.

Or Space X ignored the possibilities of small satellite launching.
 
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Musk with the SpaceX vision of putting an astronaut on Mars doesn't fit well with capturing light category market. SpaceX should keep it's focus on medium and Heavy launch capability !
 
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I don't see a problem with U.S satellite companies using India rockets. SpaceX and ULA are focused on launching medium and large satellites while ISRO specializes in small and micro satellites.

The problem is SpaceX itself and some 'friendly support' from US govt in the form of Commercial Space Launch Agreement. Understandably India will not sign the agreement.
 
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Both India and US can benefit from each other's space program :cheers:

Exactly! This is one area, I think, where both US and India can truly collaborate without stepping on the other's toes.

US can concentrate on the far bigger ambition of Mars and beyond, while India can fill the low-cost, light-weight niche.
 
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Please educate me, what does USA need India for? They can send 10 small satellites in one go, right?

Up to today, you still rely on foreigners to launch your communication satellites. Your pride GSLV-3 LEO payload is only 8t, our Long March 3A with 8.5t LEO payload first launch was 1994, 22 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_3A

Your next payload (planned Jan 2017) on GSLV-3 is only 3.5t, while tomorrow our Long March 5 with LEO payload 25t will have a maiden launch.
 
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Both India and US can benefit from each other's space program :cheers:

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More like only India is the only beneficiary here
 
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More like only India is the only beneficiary here

Well, Quite likely. But :

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/isro-says-scatsat-1-satellite-data-will-be-used-by-nasa-1467073
http://indianexpress.com/article/te...eement-with-isro-for-use-of-indian-satellite/
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA14742

Please educate me, what does USA need India for? They can send 10 small satellites in one go, right?

Up to today, you still rely on foreigners to launch your communication satellites. Your pride GSLV-3 LEO payload is only 8t, our Long March 3A with 8.5t LEO payload first launch was 1994, 22 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_3A

Your next payload (planned Jan 2017) on GSLV-3 is only 3.5t, while tomorrow our Long March 5 with LEO payload 25t will have a maiden launch.

Let me fulfill your Wish :

#1. Despite of the ( Obvious and Visible ) Technology Gap, India was Ahead of China to get in Mars Orbit..
#2. Add to #1, we even discovered Water ( recognized and acknowledged by NASA ) on the moon

These two speak volumes about what a dedicated effort can do.

China Imported Radars and Drones from a small Nation ( Israel ) which is far behind in space and most technologies that China Posesses. That tells you something. Realize it.
 
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Well, Quite likely. But :
Let me fulfill your Wish :

#1. Despite of the ( Obvious and Visible ) Technology Gap, India was Ahead of China to get in Mars Orbit..
#2. Add to #1, we even discovered Water ( recognized and acknowledged by NASA ) on the moon

These two speak volumes about what a dedicated effort can do.

China Imported Radars and Drones from a small Nation ( Israel ) which is far behind in space and most technologies that China Posesses. That tells you something. Realize it.
MOM payload is only 13 kg, what scientistfic value can it have? You completely rely on NASA for deep space communication and Mars orbit capture, except boosting morale, what did this achievement to advance ur capability? As a matter of fact, because u guys don't have heavy launch capability, you did multiple slingshot to move it out of earth orbit.

China's approach is more methodical, we develope deep space communication capability and heavy rockets first, with these ready we plan to send orbiter/lander/rover to Mars in one go in 2020 all by ourself.

Again, what scientific value for finding water(? Have reservations), they are composite locked inside some rock, not in the liquid form. ISRO need do manned space flight, heavy launch rocket, space station, soft landing in the moon and bring back the rock etc.,those have values, not just some PR stunt to get more funding.
 
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MOM payload is only 13 kg, what scientistfic value can it have? You completely rely on NASA for deep space communication and Mars orbit capture, except boosting morale, what did this achievement to advance ur capability?

Utter non sense. MOM uses Indian Deep Space Network for deep space communication & NASA facilities are used only in the non visibility period. The same with your Chang'e 3

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Helping_China_to_the_Moon

15 kg is enough to carry 7 scientific payloads. And should I tell you that Delta II, which is of the same class as India's GSLV Mark 2 got Spirit & Opportunity rovers to Mars.

Don't worry about our heavy launch capabilities, we will have the capability to launch 25 tonnes to LEO by 2020s. But worry about your Mars lander/rover as the failure rate of such missions are high & you're trying all of it in one go.

Again, what scientific value for finding water(? Have reservations), they are composite locked inside some rock, not in the liquid form.

You understand 'science' ?


our pride GSLV-3 LEO payload is only 8t

10 tonnes. That will be soon upgraded with the semi cryogenic stage.

Your next payload (planned Jan 2017) on GSLV-3 is only 3.5t, while tomorrow our Long March 5 with LEO payload 25t will have a maiden launch.

Comparing a GTO launch to an LEO launch ?

Please educate me, what does USA need India for? They can send 10 small satellites in one go, right?

This is a competitive market and we can do it at a lower cost.
 
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Well, Quite likely. But :

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/isro-says-scatsat-1-satellite-data-will-be-used-by-nasa-1467073
http://indianexpress.com/article/te...eement-with-isro-for-use-of-indian-satellite/
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA14742



Let me fulfill your Wish :

#1. Despite of the ( Obvious and Visible ) Technology Gap, India was Ahead of China to get in Mars Orbit..
#2. Add to #1, we even discovered Water ( recognized and acknowledged by NASA ) on the moon

These two speak volumes about what a dedicated effort can do.

China Imported Radars and Drones from a small Nation ( Israel ) which is far behind in space and most technologies that China Posesses. That tells you something. Realize it.

Don't bother replying the false flagger troll

Utter non sense. MOM uses Indian Deep Space Network for deep space communication & NASA facilities are used only in the non visibility period. The same with your Chang'e 3

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Helping_China_to_the_Moon

15 kg is enough to carry 7 scientific payloads. And should I tell you that Delta II, which is of the same class as India's GSLV Mark 2 got Spirit & Opportunity rovers to Mars.

Don't worry about our heavy launch capabilities, we will have the capability to launch 25 tonnes to LEO by 2020s. But worry about your Mars lander/rover as the failure rate of such missions are high & you're trying all of it in one go.



You understand 'science' ?




10 tonnes. That will be soon upgraded with the semi cryogenic stage.



Comparing a GTO launch to an LEO launch ?



This is a competitive market and we can do it at a lower cost.

I don't think his high IQ brain will be able to comprehend all of this
 
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