Why A Medium / Heavy Strike Aircraft For Defense of Pakistan?

[The SC]

Hi,

That is why I say---there is an easy way out---sell the nucs and kiss the ar-se of the baniya and get done with it---.

Why beat around the bush and talk about giving someone a bloody nose.

I wasn't talking about the nukes at all.. just missiles with conventional powerful heads to replace the 2000 lb bombs used by the bombers who will risk not returning at all due to the Indian air-defenses..That is, if they are not stealth or at least with some low RCS..

 

[SQ8]

Hahahahah Buddy Not going to take your bait!

No bait to give. The Al-tariq was ordered to fill another strike gap within the arsenal. The only recent thing was the SLAM-ER which needed approval(probably given) and budgetary allocation by the UAEAF for FY2016 as FY2015 ,2014 and 2013 got a bit dedicated to the Erieye and Block 61.

Once the SLAM ER becomes operational, the stand off capability provided by Black shaheen will return.

 

[Khafee]

No bait to give. The Al-tariq was ordered to fill another strike gap within the arsenal. The only recent thing was the SLAM-ER which needed approval(probably given) and budgetary allocation by the UAEAF for FY2016 as FY2015 ,2014 and 2013 got a bit dedicated to the Erieye and Block 61.

Once the SLAM ER becomes operational, the stand off capability provided by Black shaheen will return.

and the sea seemed shallow from the shore.

 

[Khafee]

That's what Transworld airline (TWA) thought and look what happened to it.
Also my friend we all have relatives in armed forces and our opinions matter!

Bro, Even serving people are sometimes clueless as to what is going on in a different unit. So a bit of caution, always adds credibility to yourself.

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

I believe Khafee was referring to the electronics warfare side of things.

There is more than EW, But nonetheless there is a generation's difference between the two platforms EW.

 

[war&peace]

A'ozo Billahi min ash-shaitaninirrajeem

question: what are the airfield runway requirements for the B-52?

The question is irrelevant since we don't need a strategic bomber like B-52 which cannot defend itself against HA-LRSAMs and can only be used against Taliban with stringers and AK-47s.

question: why do PAF F-16s in peacetime use afterburner to take off in 1,000-2,000 feet when they have 8,000 feet runway available? why are motorways and taxiways practiced for takeoffs and landings?

They practice for war time scenarios where short take offs become necessary as runways may be come under attack and get destroyed or rendered useless due to the use of cluster canisters like Durandal with timers etc.

I love the arrogance of an enlightened mind. It shines so bright that it can hide the truth sometimes.

 

[Khafee]

A'ozo Billahi min ash-shaitaninirrajeem


The question is irrelevant since we don't need a strategic bomber like B-52 which cannot defend itself against HA-LRSAMs and can only be used against Taliban with stringers and AK-47s.



They practice for war time scenarios where short take offs become necessary as runways may be come under attack and get destroyed or rendered useless due to the use of cluster canisters like Durandal with timers etc.

Just out of curiosity what happens when you say Aoozbillah..................?

 

[Dash]

The question is irrelevant since we don't need a strategic bomber like B-52 which cannot defend itself against HA-LRSAMs and can only be used against Taliban with stringers and AK-47s.

When they were designed to be used against Russia you are saying they are used against Taliban with stingers.

This is hightes..

 

[war&peace]

Just out of curiosity what happens when you say Aoozbillah..................?

Sir, you know that very well...
But I wrote because this brother writes Bismillah in the start of every post and I like that but normally tasmia should be followed by ta'ooz

When they were designed to be used against Russia you are saying they are used against Taliban with stingers.

This is hightes..

But they were never used against USSR because they got the means to knock them out...these were used against Taliban with limited means ..

 

[Dash]

Sir, you know that very well...
But I wrote because this brother writes Bismillah in the start of every post and I like that but normally tasmia should be followed by ta'ooz



But they were never used against USSR because they got the means to knock them out...these were used against Taliban with limited means ..

Every technology will eventually be countered by another technology. So what's the basic design principle behind development, the basic criteria of remaining relevant with an anticipation of being some what immune to it's counter.

We argue so much about F 35, raptors, pakfa and Js. Do you think, that they will not be balanced , they will but are they relevant as we speak , the answer is Yes.

When it comes to bombers and that's where OPs original question come into play is when you use it. Two scenarios one when you have air superiority achieved and two when you have a nuclear mission in all cases you are protected. Considering the fact that enemy air defence is dead and you have full cover of fighters. And then the game changes. If I send 5 bomber and if one achieves its objectives then mission accomplished and the rats have no way to hide with the bunker buster and stand off cruises and LGBs that too in maximum damage mode.

 

[Khafee]

I said protecting the sea lanes will be the first and primary function of these long range fighter bombers, I know what else they can be used for Khafee .
Lets see what happens on the change in doctrine, I think with China so vested economically in Pakistan we can maybe see this as a force multiplier for us with the Chinese bolstering numbers at their forward bases (north of India). Creating a stronger flank (as Mastan would say) for us.
Kemari was and is a strategic target, the civilian damage was collateral damage and the world accepted it as such, the Indian pilots did not "intend" to hit civilian targets, they were trying to land every single piece of ordanance on Kemari complex. Matter of opinion and semantics I guess.

Nothing to do with "opinion or semantics," very tangible results, how far from Kemari or Maripur were the bombs dropped? From what I had seen, very bad performance by IAF and certainly not collateral damage.

@Windjammer @war&peace @User @MastanKhan or someone more knowledgeable, could shed more light on this particular angle of the '65 war.

 

[war&peace]

Every technology will eventually be countered by another technology. So what's the basic design principle behind development, the basic criteria of remaining relevant with an anticipation of being some what immune to it's counter.

We argue so much about F 35, raptors, pakfa and Js. Do you think, that they will not be balanced , they will but are they relevant as we speak , the answer is Yes.

When it comes to bombers and that's where OPs original question come into play is when you use it. Two scenarios one when you have air superiority achieved and two when you have a nuclear mission in all cases you are protected. Considering the fact that enemy air defence is dead and you have full cover of fighters. And then the game changes. If I send 5 bomber and if one achieves its objectives then mission accomplished and the rats have no way to hide with the bunker buster and stand off cruises and LGBs that too in maximum damage mode.

So what's the point...now you are proving me right...

 

[Sine Nomine]

Corruption isnt an institutional idea but a societal one. Modern Pakistani society is too self absorbed or whimsical to realize that the solution lies within themselves and not complaining about politicians or generals or Mossad.
See my post within this thread.

Agreed sir,we all are corrupt it's only matter of time and luck,that how much we are empowered and how much power we do exercise in country.From a peon to a Gazetted offical sitting in an office all will do it,it's only there jurisdiction how much they are allowed by it to get hands on.

 

[Dash]

So what's the point...now you are proving me right...

bombers are good as long as they fit in ur doctrine.

 

[war&peace]

Nothing to do with "opinion or semantics," very tangible results, how far from Kemari or Maripur were the bombs dropped? From what I had seen, very bad performance by IAF and certainly not collateral damage.

@Windjammer @war&peace @User @MastanKhan or someone more knowledgeable, could shed more light on this particular angle of the '65 war.

Sir, I'm not that old..just kidding but I have no knowledge of this particular incident other than that IAF was trying to target civilians but they were overpowered by well trained and dedicated PAF pilots.

 

[Dash]

bombers are good as long as they fit in ur doctrine.

And ask both Russian and American why they developed and still developing bombers.