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Who Suffers From Russia, Turkey Pipeline Deal?

After kissing and making up from a downed Sukhoi fighter jet over Syria, Russia and Turkey are back to being business partners again. Gazprom and Botas Petroleum agreed on Oct. 10 to push ahead with the so-called Turkish Stream pipeline. This is going to hurt a few countries.

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Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, right and Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, look at each other during a news conference following their meeting in Istanbul, Monday, Oct. 10, 2016. Putin and Erdogan voiced support for the construction of a gas pipeline from Russia to Turkey, called Turkish Stream, a project that was suspended amid tensions between the two countries. The pipeline would carry Russian natural gas to Turkey and onto European Union countries. (AP Photo/Emrah Gurel)

On the stock side of the equation, it’s impossible to say whether the pipeline is good for Gazprom’s share price, because the stock hasn’t been over $5 since April.

The deal is good for Turkey. It is not so good for Ukraine and Bulgaria, who will lose out now that the South Stream pipeline is no longer needed. Bulgaria was going to collect transit revenues from that deal.

“Turkish Stream hurts Ukraine because it deprives them of the trans-Balkan route that supplied Turkey via Ukraine, Moldova, Romania and Bulgaria. So it also deprives Bulgaria, Moldova and Romania of transit fees. Bulgaria is even more unhappy than the others of course since South Stream is dead,” says Sijbren de Jong, an energy sector strategist at the Center for Strategic Studies in The Hague.

See: Obstacles Remain In Turkey-Russia Pipeline Deal–The Royal United Services Institute (commentary by Sijbren de Jong)

The Turkish Stream pipeline was designed by Gazprom as an alternative route into southern Europe instead of through Ukraine. It was to planned to have a total capacity of 63 billion cubic meters (bcm), consisting of four parallel pipelines each with a capacity of 15.75 bcm. Last October, Gazprom said it would cut the capacity by around 25%, citing its planned Nord Stream II pipeline. But that pipeline has now been dealt a mighty blow by a Poland anti-trust ruling. Gazprom claims it will go it alone now that its main European partners, including Shell, are out for now.

It’s unlikely to be a full house, however.

The third and fourth line of the Turkish Stream are “hopelessly unrealistic,” writes de Jong in an op-ed published on Monday by the Royal United Services Institute in the U.K. The reason: there not enough demand for gas in the region to support the construction of all those pipelines.

This month’s agreement means the two sides are now committed to the construction of two pipelines. One would serve the Turkish domestic market, and the other would extend into southeastern Europe, replacing the old South Stream proposal with the Italian oil major Eni. Details of any pricing agreement remain elusive.

Turkish Stream doesn’t only irk Ukraine, and take away potential revenues from Bulgaria. It also may outsmart Iran and other gas producers further south.

“Russia knows it needs to use the surplus from the second pipeline to pre-empt future deliveries from Azerbaijan, and maybe even Turkmenistan and Iran,” de Jong says.

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“Turkish Stream hurts Ukraine because it deprives them of the trans-Balkan route that supplied Turkey via Ukraine, Moldova, Romania and Bulgaria. So it also deprives Bulgaria, Moldova and Romania of transit fees. Bulgaria is even more unhappy than the others of course since South Stream is dead,” says Sijbren de Jong, an energy sector strategist at the Center for Strategic Studies in The Hague.

Yawn :disagree:

Besides having gas on its land allready,Romania will start pumping gas from the Black Sea starting 2020.We don't care about russo-turk pipes.


Btw,God,works in misterious ways,.....how gas was discovered only in the small Romanian Black Sea plateaus while Turkey has none,nor Bulgaria :lol:
 
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Yawn :disagree:

Besides having gas on its land allready,Romania will start pumping gas from the Black Sea starting 2020.We don't care about russo-turk pipes.


Btw,God,works in misterious ways,.....how gas was discovered only in the small Romanian Black Sea plateaus while Turkey has none,nor Bulgaria :lol:
God does not exist. LEL.
Seriously, you found oil?? That is amazing!! lol
 
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Ffs , i should read more carefully. lol
We need some gas, maybe you can sell us some. :whistle:


Apparently,there's not that much,just to ensure Romanian independence from Russian gas some 15 years from now.Today,Romania imports 10% of its gas from Russia (a.k.a mordor as we call it).
 
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Apparently,there's not that much,just to ensure Romanian independence from Russian gas some 15 years from now.Today,Romania imports 10% of its gas from Russia (a.k.a mordor as we call it).
Ffs, i was hoping we'd lose our dependence on Russian Gas!! God damn you Romanians!:(
 
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Is it financially viable? In most economies , you see active push to reduce oil and gas as energy source which is one of reasons for reduced oil prices. Europe which would be the main customer is also trying diversify supplies and once US starts exporting oil , you got competition for Russian gas. Since the pipeline is going to take 3-5 for initial start of operations and another 2-5 to reach up to its full capacity, will it be profitable?
 
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Is it financially viable? In most economies , you see active push to reduce oil and gas as energy source which is one of reasons for reduced oil prices. Europe which would be the main customer is also trying diversify supplies and once US starts exporting oil , you got competition for Russian gas. Since the pipeline is going to take 3-5 for initial start of operations and another 2-5 to reach up to its full capacity, will it be profitable?

Europe's demand for natural gas is set to rise by 6% within next few years. so yes, it is profitable
 
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I think the Russian Federation will try to keep things under its control which will be nothing but to keep oil and gas monopoly under its control and to check Georgia,Ukraine and Poland .

Azerbaijan gas pipelines are there and tensions have started between Azerbaijan and Armenia which can be problem for Georgia and Ukraine. Thats why Ukraine is going for solar, nuclear energy sources.
 
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Btw,God,works in misterious ways,.....how gas was discovered only in the small Romanian Black Sea plateaus while Turkey has none,nor Bulgaria :lol:
We are surrounded by resource rich countries while we have almost nothing.

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Resource curse

We will have to work hard to reach a certain life standart but im glad its this way than the easy one, congrats to Romania though.
 
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We are surrounded by resource rich countries while we have almost nothing.

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Resource curse

We will have to work hard to reach a certain life standart but im glad its this way than the easy one, congrats to Romania though.


These are not Qatar like quantities but enough to ensure Romania's energy independence and a little for export to (even without them Romania imported only 10-15% of its gas from Russia).It won't be raining dollars.
 
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These are not Qatar like quantities but enough to ensure Romania's energy independence and a little for export to.It won't be raining dollars.
Yeah, ensuring Turkeys demand with own sources would be nice too but we'd need to find a lot gas for that, its gonna rise more and more, most cities have gas pipeline network connecting the houses, now they started connecting villages too which means the demant wont stabilize for the forseeable future.

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At least Turkey has a couple alternative sources like Iran, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Russia and Israel recently in its imadiate neighborhood so the gas wont be cut completely in a worst case scenario but gas and oil imports still are responsible for the trade deficit.
 
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