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Who Needs Dollars? Russia and China Are Now Dominating Global Gold Production

Russia Readies Back-Up System For Potential "Split With International Banking System"

ZeroHedge - Mar 25, 2017

The grand order of things could be undergoing some major overhauls.

To put it more bluntly, a war to reset the global financial order is about to be unleashed.

Preparations inside Russia are being made in case the ultimate banking sanctions are placed on them, cutting off commerce inside the all-encompassing Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecomm SWIFT system – which runs credit, debt, and banking card transactions across a real time global network.

As it would be doled out by the banking elites, the price for misbehavior at the Kremlin could be ostracization from this global commerce vehicle.

But that isn’t the end of the story… Putin is readying his people to divorce from the international banking system altogether, and start over with a nationalistic platform, backed by thousands of tons of gold, and growing alliances with Europe, China and the BRICS nations, the Middle East and several emerging powers.

A major attempt to bring Russia under heel could result in the greatest schism the global system of finance has ever seen. Then what?

via Russia Insider:

Russia has successfully developed and implemented an alternative should it be excluded from international banking systems, according to a recent report.

As far as western sanctions go, by far Russia’s largest vulnerability is in its banking sector, which for better or for worse is tied to the hip with international banking.

If Russia wishes to maintain the status quo, there’s not much that can be done about this dependency. But shortly after sanctions were announced in 2014, Moscow set out to prepare for the worst-case scenario: being cut off from the Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) system.

In layman’s terms, SWIFT allows for fast and (allegedly) secure international financial transfers. In fifty years when you are able to use your Bank of America debit card on the Moon (for a low fee of 2,000 moon rubles), it will be because of SWIFT or a system similar to it.

There are two issues surrounding SWIFT “cut-off” for Russia: 1. Is it likely to happen? and 2. Is Russia prepared for it?

…cutting Russia from SWIFT would be a disaster.

According to Nowotny:

Such a move “we would see as very problematic because it could perhaps undermine confidence in this system,” the governor of Austria’s central bank told reporters… Of course, this hasn’t stopped Europe and Washington from threatening to pull the SWIFT plug.

While it isn’t clear if this is going to happen, threats have been made since the beginning of the issues with Crimea and Ukraine.

And as a result, Putin has overseen the creation of a survival plan from which it could grow stronger. As RT reports:

“There were threats that we can be disconnected from SWIFT. We have finished working on our own payment system, and if something happens, all operations in SWIFT format will work inside the country. We have created an alternative,” Nabiullina said at a meeting with President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday.

She also added that 90 percent of ATMs in Russia are ready to accept the Mir payment system, a domestic version of Visa and MasterCard.

Izvestia daily reported that as of January 2016, 330 Russian banks had been connected to the SWIFT alternative, the system for transfer of financial messages (SPFS).

[…]

The central bank’s website says the system was established “as an alternative channel for interbank cooperation with the aim of ensuring the guaranteed and uninterrupted provision of services for the transmission of electronic messages on financial transactions.”​

Will there be economic wars, or outright World War III? Nobody knows for sure, but things could get very tense very quickly. Already, loose allegations are flying at an unprecedented rate. Somebody wants to egg this thing on.

Russia under Putin has seen a significant challenge to a world order that has, for some time, been ultimately controlled by the central banking elite.

The Rothschild presence in Russia has been challenged; Soros-front NGOs have been kicked out, and it seems that only all out war will ever settle these power plays for the dominance or death of the U.S. petrodollar, which is ultimately controlled by the same few hands that steer and control the central banks of nearly all the world’s nations. Only by stealth and monotony have these activities remained in the shadows.

Indeed, the only countries left on the map which have not yielded to yoke of the central bank are the countries that are most at threat of being drawn into war:

–Syria
– Iran
– North Korea
– Cuba


With that list so close to complete, a reversal could be a real blow to global order, and to maintaining orderly deposits.

If Russia moves to drop their central bank, or if they are locked out of the global SWIFT system, it will mean a thudding silence, an unprecedented reversal in the concentration of power.

Russia has prepared to create its own SWIFT-style system as a back up system, that while it is not yet up and running, could one day rival the primary system, and which could provide a meaningful alternative for dissenters and tax evaders alike.

But be aware that behind the scenes, even with this massive and explosive changes in the works, those who control the finances are well aware of the shifts that are taking place, and are in position to reassert their leverage over humanity through new systems, and new centers of power.

Curiously, it cannot be denied that Russia has been a player in the international framework that has been erected. They have been equal partners in covert research and experimentation, and for all the animosity with the U.S., it has also played a willing dance partner for much of what has been going on during the past century.

Vladimir Putin has delicately and masterfully navigated these boundaries, yet he too is woven into the larger fabric. Like George H.W. Bush and the CIA, Putin is a product of the KGB, and remains permanently tied to it.

A monetary power this total does not lose power overnight – and they are not above jumping ship. Only a truly decentralized, private currencies based on mutually beneficial terms for individuals and communities could dissipate that power, and that will not come as easily.

Is the tide turning?


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@Götterdämmerung , the new Dawn of Gods of old...doubt it, very much...


The Central Banks have been selling their gold holdings since 1970s... whenever there is goldpaper called...magically gold appears on the market and the price goes down. There is not much actual gold left in the vaults of central bankers...

No need for me to inform you about the pricefixing by our good old boys-network including DB..

Sino-Rus duo have been engaging this buying spree for some time now...both directly and through agents/fronts... also Chinese public now owns massive tonnage...good way to save/store their wealth.

Hence the Shanghai Goldexchange...along with Crude tradding..

Waiting for both to work in conjunction...that is one milestone of historic proportions. A must watch/analyse event.

Anyhow, all this brovados we see in SCS and currency manipulation charges and all the rest...is just public negotiations for the future of the 'system'.

The fundamental question here is:
Will China keep on subsidising the 'system'? And for how long?

Neither China Nor Russia will rock the boat though...they will try to avoid shocks to the system and move towards gradual replacement of the current one.

My sense is we will start seeing parrallel universa emerging and operating ...which is good for world peace!

@Shotgunner51 knows it better than all of us...but he shall always be restrained and diplomatic in his courteseous views. Modrators!
 
Because China and Russia are leading producers of Gold, other countries don't need Dollars?

It is like saying because Vietnam has Coal reserves for hundreds of years, nobody needs Yuan nor Rubble. Money is backed by a strong economy and it has everything with trust. The trust of the people to a piece of paper.
 
Because China and Russia are leading producers of Gold, other countries don't need Dollars?

It is like saying because Vietnam has Coal reserves for hundreds of years, nobody needs Yuan nor Rubble. Money is backed by a strong economy and it has everything with trust. The trust of the people to a piece of paper.

It's horrible to read this kind of posts, because you have so little clues how the money system works.

In the age of the internet, there is no excuse for being so utterly ignorant. Alas, you are not the only one in this thread.
 
It's horrible to read this kind of posts, because you have so little clues how the money system works.

In the age of the internet, there is no excuse for being so utterly ignorant. Alas, you are not the only one in this thread.
So Herr Professor, how does money system work? Do you want to tell, the paper is backed by gold and Venezuelan style economy?
 
The fear of the american cheerleaders are evident in their posts here. :rofl:

:D

BRICS Countries to Invest $500 Million in Russian Gold Deposit

A new agreement to restart exploration and extraction at a mine in Siberia marks a milestone in the development of economic ties among the BRICS nations.

Kira Egorova
(RBTH)



Russian gold mining companies are currently not taking part in developing Klyuchevskoye, but Russia stands to gain regardless of who develops the site. Source: Kommersant

Originally appeared at RBTH

A consortium made up of the Chinese state-owned mining firm China National Gold Corporation, India’s SUN Mining Group and the Russian Far East Development Fund, as well as funds from South Africa and Brazil is prepared to invest up to $500 million in the development of the Klyuchevskoye gold field in the Transbaikal region (over 4,000 miles east of Moscow). The agreement was signed during the most recent BRICS summit, which that took place in the Indian resort of Goa on Oct. 15-16. According to plans for the site, Klyuchevskoye will become operational three years after investment becomes available and will yield some 6.5 tons of gold per year.

This is the first mining deal in the history of BRICS that involves all five member states, which makes it particularly significant, says Wiktor Bielski, global head of commodities research at VTB Capital. Bielski adds that the agreement paves the way for bigger projects in the future that can benefit a wide range of BRICS investors.

Benefits for the partners

The Klyuchevskoye gold deposit was explored a long time ago, however, the bulk of the gold was not extracted because of the costly development process that was halted some 20 years back, according to Alexei Kalachev, an expert analyst with FINAM investment firm in Moscow. The China National Gold Corporation, however, has the relevant technological experience to extract and process the gold, Kalachev said.

The deposit is currently owned by India’s SUN Gold, Ltd., part of the SUN Mining Group, which has not begun to develop it. In August 2016, the Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service said that the China National Gold Group intended to buy 70 percent in the deposit from SUN Gold. According to Kalachev, the idea of a consortium may have evolved from an attempt to speed up the deal at the highest levels.

The Klyuchevskoye gold deposit is not especially rich; at its stated production volumes and reserves, it will have a life cycle of 11-12 years, while the average life cycle of gold mines worldwide is 15-16 years, says Artem Kalinin, a portfolio manager at Leon Family Office. Additionally, the cost of production at Klyuchevskoye is being forecast at the average global level. “That said, the Chinese are used to operating in this mode: the country’s steel and coal industries have very weak production costs, but they have so far been feeling quite alright thanks to cheap financing and state support,” Kalinin said.

Russian gold mining companies are currently not taking part in developing Klyuchevskoye, but according to Kalinin, Russia stands to gain regardless of who develops the site. “The Russians will get an opportunity to borrow new technologies and to get an infrastructure that the Chinese will build,” he said.

Alexei Kalachev notes that other obvious upsides for Russia include a rise in tax revenues, new jobs and an inflow of foreign investment.

What’s in it for China?

Despite the fact that China is the world’s leader in gold mining and one of the world’s largest consumers of the precious metal, its resource base is rather weak, says Kalinin. The CIS countries host the majority of the world’s gold reserves — 28 percent. Another 20 percent of the reserves are located in North America while Asian reserves make up just 11 percent.


Oleg Remyga, head of China studies at the Moscow School of Management Skolkovo, notes that China’s gold production is falling — it was down 0.4 percent in 2015 — while consumption is rising — up + 3.7 percent in 2015. “Hence, the clear ambition of Chinese companies to enter international markets,” Remyga explained.

According to Remyga, the China National Gold Group’s investment in the Klyuchevskoye deposit is part of this bigger drive for resources. Chinese companies have already purchased shares in Canada’s Pinnacle Mines, Ltd. as well as 50 percent of shares in a deposit in Papua New Guinea owned by Barrick Gold Corp. “I am convinced that it is just the beginning of acquisitions of Russian gold-mining assets by Chinese companies, such as Zijin Mining, China Gold, Zhaojin Mining Industry, and Shandong Gold,” Remyga said, adding that negotiations with them have been going on already for five years.
 
The world can never go back to pegging their economy to any given commodity. Gold failed in the 1920s, because it have limited the world expansion. Because there are only a certain amount of gold in the world, and you cannot back something that you need in demand in infinite amount to something that's finite, that way you will get inflation out of your control pretty quick.

Today the gold system is worse, if you also count people hoarding gold and gold being one of the most important part of electronic manufacture (If I remember correctly, 40% of world gold is in private procession). Today accessible gold is going to be less than it was in 1920s. Of course China and Russia can go back to Gold System, I think the American and the west will laugh all the way thru the hallway if and when they does that.

To be honest using coal as a currency is a smarter idea (still dumb but smarter), than using gold, as least nobody in the world will hoard coal......
Coal is certainly not suitable. But it is like gold a commodity. Or oil or diamond. The Dutch once considered tulip in the height of bourse speculation as precious as gold. Anyway look at Japan. The country has no natural resources, however the Yen is one of international reserves currencies.

It is the economy. And it is the trust of the people to the curreny.
 
@Götterdämmerung , the new Dawn of Gods of old...doubt it, very much...


The Central Banks have been selling their gold holdings since 1970s... whenever there is goldpaper called...magically gold appears on the market and the price goes down. There is not much actual gold left in the vaults of central bankers...

No need for me to inform you about the pricefixing by our good old boys-network including DB..

Sino-Rus duo have been engaging this buying spree for some time now...both directly and through agents/fronts... also Chinese public now owns massive tonnage...good way to save/store their wealth.

Hence the Shanghai Goldexchange...along with Crude tradding..

Waiting for both to work in conjunction...that is one milestone of historic proportions. A must watch/analyse event.

Anyhow, all this brovados we see in SCS and currency manipulation charges and all the rest...is just public negotiations for the future of the 'system'.

The fundamental question here is:
Will China keep on subsidising the 'system'? And for how long?

Neither China Nor Russia will rock the boat though...they will try to avoid shocks to the system and move towards gradual replacement of the current one.

My sense is we will start seeing parrallel universa emerging and operating ...which is good for world peace!

@Shotgunner51 knows it better than all of us...but he shall always be restrained and diplomatic in his courteseous views. Modrators!
It's been an expected move!! Good for smaller economies...
 
Thanks for the answer.

But there arises the question why would the government have to borrow money in the open market and pay interests at market rate (in reality interestsnpaid by the tax payer) if it could borrow money for zero interest from the PBoC. Who came up with the legislation that the PBoC is not allowed to lend money to its owner, particularly the Chinese central government?
You're welcome. The legislation was drafted and approved by NPC (National Congress), aiming at segregation of duties, so that central bank has pure-play function on monetary policy, independent of fiscal policies.

Government assets are also isolated from commercial banking system, in fact these assets are not even large.
  • Note for provincial government, they have management rights for lands and provincial SOE, but not ownership. Central government has more assets, say ownership of defence equipment & inventory, government-controlled reserves (like food crops, SPR, some metals), but again they manage central SOE, not own them.
  • In SOE, publicly listed or private, the portion of state-owned stake is governed, not owned, by State Council (State Owned Assets Supervision & Administration Commission; 国资委).
  • In commercial banks, money primarily came from depositors, not their own capital.
  • Infrastructure is driven by government policies, but mostly invested by SOE or private sector (through PPP) which can deal with commercial banks.
  • The State or the Public (全民所有制) is rich in owning assets, governments either don't or in debt.
Governments (central and provincial) should uphold sound fiscal discipline and manage their tax incomes properly, their fiscal policies are subject to bond market scrutiny. Say in 2015, Liaoning government failed to auction provincial bonds.
 
Count me out
I am not impressed at all!

ps: @waz

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Ah, my kind friend,

Do explain your contention.

Apart from the above... thank you for always sharing the Chinese Heritage here at PDF...
 
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