Who is more Beneficial for USA Paksitan or India?

[Machoman]

I am starting this thread to discuss and get opinion of both side. If America show loyalty to one of the country (India or Pakistan) both money and military wise. Who in the long run will be more beneficial for USA. Is it India or Pakistan?
and please explain why?

 

[DesiGuy]

I am starting this thread to discuss and get opinion of both side. If America show loyalty to one of the country (India or Pakistan) both money and military wise. Who in the long run will be more beneficial for USA. Is it India or Pakistan?

of course, India.

 

[Machoman]

But why? what is so special about India?

 

[Hyde]

America can't be loyal to both of these countries, If she supports India America will have a danger of another Super Power so America's influence to the World might be divided and that America never wants

If America supports Pakistan, Pakistan can dominate the Muslim World and American exports like Aircrafts and other products that America sales to Muslim nations might be in danger too so Americans wouldn't want to see either of these countres prospering

Whatever deals Americans are doing with both countries, One day they will back stab us, if their motive is achieved

 

[DesiGuy]

But why? what is so special about India?

Mr. X is right.

 

[pmukherjee]

I am starting this thread to discuss and get opinion of both side. If America show loyalty to one of the country (India or Pakistan) both money and military wise. Who in the long run will be more beneficial for USA. Is it India or Pakistan?

The debate here in India is how the US will benifit India in the long run and not how we can be of use to them. As of now, we are not too sure. We dont need any one's money. We are paying for everything that comes to us, I dont know if one can buy loyalty. Yes, the Soviet Union was our loyal friend and Russia shall remain a close friend. India is not in competition with Pakistan for America's affections. It is not a love triangle btw. US is welcome to Pakistan as long as the US does not harm India's national interests.

 

[jeypore]

I am starting this thread to discuss and get opinion of both side. If America show loyalty to one of the country (India or Pakistan) both money and military wise. Who in the long run will be more beneficial for USA. Is it India or Pakistan?
and please explain why?

Neither, the only beneficial country for Pakistan is Pakistan!!!!!

 

[Machoman]

But now when Us sign nuclear deal with India and all the military package offer to India do you really still think like that?

India is not in competition with Pakistan for America's affections.

Ok then what is it then?
and you think if America Offer some millitary package to Pakistan, India will not object?

 

[pmukherjee]

But now when Us sign nuclear deal with India and all the military package offer to India do you really still think like that?
Ok then what is it then?
and you think if America Offer some millitary package to Pakistan, India will not object?

Machoman
Hi, it is very simple really. US is the bastion of world capitalism and is a capitalist down to its core. The only forces that move the US, apart from 'national security' are those of Demand and Supply. India is buying and America is selling. America is down in the dumps right now. It has to sell, otherwise its military industrial complex collapses like its auto industry. Its traditional allies are also its traditional market and they are all in the same boat and are not buying much. (Europe cannot even make up its mind whether to go for the JSF despite fierce US lobbying) India is a new market for the US. The nuclear deal(123) and the EUM agreement are all tools to facilitate sale of expensive high end products to India. There is a convergence of interests here as India needs these things and can't get them elsewhere. Where does loyalty come in here? America is already selling military hardware to Pakistan, has been for 60 years. F-16s are being upgraded. What is new in that? America has been a tradional ally of Pakistan for 60 years. Supported Pak in 1965 and 1971 and is even now supporting Pak with military and financial assistance. India has not asked US to sever its ties with Pak.
Regards.

 

[Sprint]

None; actually US would use both India and Pakistan for its own good. Pakistan was earlier used by US to show down USSR and settle the score of Viatnam now it is being used to control CAR and prepare a ground for permenant base in the middle of the world so that US can project its power to all parts of the world.

India for a long period had a cold relation with US (1950-1990) followed by some warmth during 1990-2005 (post liberlization) and then 2005-this date (economic and strategic) but than that one must see what caused this sudden change of heart. It has both economic and military sides to it.
US understands very well that the biggest power block that can question US dominance is russia china and india. Russia and US would always have a sense of mistrust (needs no elaboration) and so americans would rather have only one known front open for conflict and not all.
China is also a big power in the region and has time and again flexed its muscle vis a vis US but in my opinion this is more of a show than anything else (lets not forget that at best china can use its 2.0 trillion doller reserve to show some teeth. however,if china tries to economically threaten US the same thing would boomrang on to chinese as well and I am sure chinese are not stupid)
India is today in the same position where chinese were in 1960's (when china rapidly started to improve its economy). The other thing that interest US is uninturrepted democracy in India. So in India the very ascept of its political strenght is its biggest weakness (democracy). So all US would need from India is a continuous democracy. They then would help bring India to a point where it can act as a reasonable counterbalance to China (to an extent that 3 kicks on Indian *** by china: 2 kicks on Chinese butt by India). The consequence of this policy may have ill affects for US in future and so for this US has Pakistan that would be an additional check on India's designs. Economically also US would like to use India as counterbalance to chinese. Lets not forget that both china and india have comparable populations and in terms of land mass they are no different (considering most of the northwestern part of china is very rough terrain).
Pakistan, though its population are against americans, is fooled everytime by claiming US to be its ally. See the wider picture US has economic and strategic relations with china india kazakistan saudi arabia and now they have even made russians to allow NATO supply form their soil. Iran is no different the highway that India constructed in afghanistan connects iranian port to that highway and finally on top of all this they (US) are sitting physically in afghanistan. Now tell me do they even need to think about pakistan for any reason. So after completely encirciling pakistan they give it few billion dollers and couple of F-16 and pump a false sense of security in the country.oh forgot about the southern part of pakistan THE SEA. Well that is very well blocked by americans by their physical presence at karachi port.
Its not that people do not know or understand this situation but they are driven towards day to day problems. Lets be very clear (India or Pakistan) it is the interest that is permanent not friendship (or animosity). I really do not value alligations from both sides about others intelligence agencies creating problems in others region. They are created to do so and if they do not do it why are we paying them. .
So my friends its up to the wisdom of leadership and also down to the common man to realize what is good for the country. India cannot absolve itsefl from the fact that after Pakistan the next country on US radar would be only India.

I can extend this discussion to even NorthKorea but we can discuss that at some other time

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

More Beneficial for USA is Indian to counter China.

 

[pakomar]

US will use both for its benefits .what ever country favors in US interest at the time American will take advantage.

 

[pakomar]

More Beneficial for USA is Indian to counter China.

Its true but US will use India masterfully so that India do not succeed in total dominance in Asia.
It’s already started by the billion dollar arm deal.

 

[Omar1984]

Of course Pakistan is more important than India to the U.S.

Pakistan is located between resource-rich Central Asia, oil-rich Middle East, China, and rest of South Asia while India is located in the core of South Asia.

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/maps/64378.htm

Resource rich Central Asia and Oil rich Middle East is much more valuable to USA than poverty-stricken and over-populated South Asia, thats why so many wanted to conquer Afghanistan (a Central Asian country), and Pakistan is a gateway to Central Asia.

 

[pakomar]

Of course Pakistan is more important than India to the U.S.

Pakistan is located between resource-rich Central Asia, oil-rich Middle East, China, and rest of South Asia while India is located in the core of South Asia.

South Asia

Resource rich Central Asia and Oil rich Middle East is much more valuable to USA than poverty-stricken and over-populated South Asia, thats why so many wanted to conquer Afghanistan (a Central Asian country), and Pakistan is a gateway to Central Asia.

Pakistan important to US in terms of diplomatic relation or capturing Pakistan land?