Which year is Pakistan on the global development timeline?

[Indus Pakistan]

The question here is very simple "Which year is Pakistan on the global development timeline?" but at the same time nuanced. By development I mean the level of indigenous [desi] human, technical and economic resources. So if you can make a kite and fly it that counts. But if you buy a American F-16 and then get taught how to fly it by Americans it does not count. If you can make a local bike that counts but a Japanese locally assembled Toyota does NOT count. The operative word here is "indigenous" and not "imported". Some common sense has to be used. If a product or idea is 90% local and 10% imported that counts as "indigenous". A locally made road built by labourers using locally made spades, mixers etc counts but a Chinese built motorway does NOT. A tunnel built by hand by local labour counts but a tunnel built by imported hi-tec Swiss tunneling machines does NOT. Money borrowed or remitted does not count. In short we can only use "desi" resources, products, services as the measure.

This is NOT about imported products from America, West, Japan or China. But what we as "desi" can generate.

Using this criterion I place Pakistan in 1920. Although my first date was going to be 1900 but I thought that might be too harsh. So guys vote and then give a brief explaination of the reasoning behind the date you chose. By way of comparison please see this video of London in 1920 or 100 years ago. This is the timeline I placed Pakistan at. The reason I said that I deliberated over 1920 was most of what you see moving was made in Britain. Can we say that for Pakistan even in 2020?

You will also notice how tidy everything is including street furniture like signs, street lighting etc and pavements.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

It does not work that way

 

[313ghazi]

Hard to say. In some aspects it's 2020, in others 1920.

The UAE has very little domestic capacity to do anything yet arguably they're one of the the most developed societies in the world. They bought in the sophisticatation and expertise.

If we were to use this measure I'd say we're probably in the 60s somewhere.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The UAE has very little domestic capacity to do anything yet arguably they're one of the the most developed societies in the world.

They are not. UAE is a just a pie in sky floating on oil and gas industry.

I'd say we're probably in the 60s somewhere.

In 1960s Japan, Germany, UK etc were making their own cars, trucks, ships, aircraft on a massive scale. UK for instance premiered the world beating supersonic Concorde.

 

[Vortex]

You stopped at 1890. You should have given option with more older time frame.

 

[peagle]

The question here is very simple "Which year is Pakistan on the global development timeline?" but at the same time nuanced. By development I mean the level of indigenous [desi] human, technical and economic resources. So if you can make a kite and fly it that counts. But if you buy a American F-16 and then get taught how to fly it by Americans it does not count. If you can make a local bike that counts but a Japanese locally assembled Toyota does NOT count. The operative word here is "indigenous" and not "imported". Some common sense has to be used. If a product or idea is 90% local and 10% imported that counts as "indigenous". A locally made road built by labourers using locally made spades, mixers etc counts but a Chinese built motorway does NOT. A tunnel built by hand by local labour counts but a tunnel built by imported hi-tec Swiss tunneling machines does NOT. Money borrowed or remitted does not count. In short we can only use "desi" resources, products, services as the measure.

This is NOT about imported products from America, West, Japan or China. But what we as "desi" can generate.

Using this criterion I place Pakistan in 1920. Although my first date was going to be 1900 but I thought that might be too harsh. So guys vote and then give a brief explaination of the reasoning behind the date you chose. By way of comparison please see this video of London in 1920 or 100 years ago. This is the timeline I placed Pakistan at. The reason I said that I deliberated over 1920 was most of what you see moving was made in Britain. Can we say that for Pakistan even in 2020?

You will also notice how tidy everything is including street furniture like signs, street lighting etc and pavements.

In the modern age, it is quiet hard to judge by the parameters you have set, there are so many variables. But I suppose to make a judgement, one has to recognise the existence or lack thereof of certain things.

If we take the view, that we stop trading with the rest of the world, and our budget is balanced, assuming we are not looking at financial availability, rather technical knowhow or the potential of developing such knowhow within the country within a short timeframe. So if tomorrow we had to live alone not sanctioned, just alone.

We have a decent industrial base, it is only hemmed in by imports, because things are better and cheap abroad, does not mean we cannot make them if so required. But if you take away the access to those imports, we certainly have the industrial and knowledge base resources to produce lot of things domestically, if forced to do so.

If you take Covid as an example, pushed into corner, we were able to produce lot things that we did not do so before. Take away the financial constraints, and concentrate purely on our technical capability, it think we are capable of producing most of the things that were in use in 1960 and even later. whether we could produce them right now is not important, whether we could produce them in a year or two or three and having the capabilities to be able to do so, that is important and I believe we do.
Again recognising that we are not accounting for financial constraints, such as debt servicing, then it would go too deep.

 

[RealNapster]

Technologically 1940.

Mentally 1890 and before

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Mentally 1890 and before

Thank you. With that one line you hit hammer on the head. That is the bottom line. All and everything follows from, is product of the national genious. That is aggregate of education, progressive thought, vibrant and inovation index. Japan, USA etc are what they are because of the level of their peoples development. Using that measure 1890 about hits it.

 

[Kabira]

18th century, especially when it comes to consumer products considering we import everything under the sun.

 

[Mugen]

Thank you. With that one line you hit hammer on the head. That is the bottom line. All and everything follows from, is product of the national genious. That is aggregate of education, progressive thought, vibrant and inovation index. Japan, USA etc are what they are because of the level of their peoples development. Using that measure 1890 about hits it.

Be careful not to hurt some Pakistanis sentiment, or they might behead you.

 

[Progressive1]

you cant comapre like this, europeans and westerners in general have undegone complex societal evolution not only post renaissaince but also in industrial age and than modern age proceeding it, we might be in 2020 when come to many facilities beacuse of globalization of technology but society is lot backward.