Which stop gap fighter would you prefer for TurAF?

[dBSPL]

the US blocked F-35s to Turkiye and We can not wait for the TF-X fleet until 2035 ( 15 years )

The bureaucratic and financial process will take a minimum of a few years. It will take minimum 5 years to deliver the aircrafts, and minimum 10 years from today to reach operational capability, for the scenarios you mentioned. If we decided to buy new type fighter jet today, not tomorrow.

Yes we can wait if there is no other reliable and efficient option... The F-16 fleet we have is in very good condition. Moreover, there is a comprehensive modernization planning for the F-16s on the way.

Also, do not getting an early ideas about the F-35 process, while we have some similar periods like 74 embargo and f-4 purchases process.

My personal opinion is the complete cessation of US-dependent foreign aircraft purchases. But while the MMU project is ongoing, the US will do its best to sell the F-35. Mark my words.

 

[Bogeyman]

Ismail Demir has clearly declared that a 4.5 ++ generation fighter plane will not be purchased. Don't waste your breath, friends

 

[what]

My personal opinion is the complete cessation of US-dependent foreign aircraft purchases. But while the MMU project is ongoing, the US will do its best to sell the F-35. Mark my words.

That's what I've been thinking ever since the F35/S400 fiasco, one day they will return and offer it - but the conditions will be worse, maybe no local input. But the good thing is by then the price of one F35 will have probably further decreased. Price is down to 80m Dollars by 2020.

 

[Glass]

Ismail Demir has clearly declared that a 4.5 ++ generation fighter plane will not be purchased. Don't waste your breath, friends

Has he also stated whats going to happen with the remaining F-4 2020 ?

 

[Bogeyman]

Has he also stated whats going to happen with the remaining F-4 2020 ?

Sorry, I don't remember.

 

[MMM-E]

The bureaucratic and financial process will take a minimum of a few years. It will take minimum 5 years to deliver the aircrafts, and minimum 10 years from today to reach operational capability, for the scenarios you mentioned. If we decided to buy new type fighter jet today, not tomorrow.

if the US block 100 F-35s to TURAF so what ?
to wait the TF-X fleets for 15-20 years to reach operational capability ?

Turkish Airforce becomes another Iranian Airforce .... outdated F-4s and singel engine old F-16s ... nothing else
even Egyptian Airforce will have 50 MIG-29M2 , 24 SU-35 , 36 Rafale and 24 Eurofighters in a few years ... also Egypt has 200+ F-16s
even I am not talking about Israeli Airforce ..... and Russian SU-35s always blocked Turkish F-16s in Syria



Qatar buys 36 F-15 , 36 Rafale and 24 Eurofighters ... 96 new Fighter Jets

1) in 2017 Qatar signed a deal to buy 36 F-15 Fighter Jets
F-15 delivery started in 2020 and be completed by 2021

2) in 2015 Qatar signed a deal to buy 36 RAFALE Fighter Jet
RAFALE delivery started in 2019 and be completed by 2020


TURAF needs urgently new Fighter Jets to replace outdated F-4s and for air superiority Fighter
so TURAF can have 48 F-15 or Eurofighter in 5 years ....

The F-16 fleet we have is in very good condition. Moreover, there is a comprehensive modernization planning for the F-16s on the way.

F-16 is outdated crap bird to match with F-15 , Rafale , Eurofighter and SU-35 in the region
even Greek Mirage-2000s beat Turkish F-16s in dog fight ..... TURAF needs twin engine real fighter as like F-15 or Eurofighter

Also, do not getting an early ideas about the F-35 process, while we have some similar periods like 74 embargo and f-4 purchases process.

My personal opinion is the complete cessation of US-dependent foreign aircraft purchases. But while the MMU project is ongoing, the US will do its best to sell the F-35. Mark my words.

Turkiye never will have F-35s under Erdogan .... and in 2023 Erdogan again will win the election to rule Turkiye until june 2028

forget about the F-35 ... even F-35 is very bad option for TURAF ... without American permission flying computer F-35s even can not take off



and Turkiye planed to buy 100 F-35A for $10 billion + $35 billion operating cost for the lifespan of 100 F-35s
$45 billion ... what a great money for Countries like Turkiye

F-15X would cost about $27.000 per hour to fly, well below the $44.000 an hour to fly the F-35A

and Boeing claims that the F-15X will have a whopping 20.000 hour service life , by comparison the F-35 was built to serve only 8.000 hours


What a great Fighter against Russian SU-35 , Egyptian Rafales and Eurofighters

-- APG-63(V)3 AESA Radar
-- AN/AAS-42 Tiger Eyes IRST
-- ROBUST digital electronic warfare suite
-- Fly-by-wire control systems
-- World's fastest mission computer

F-15QAs will be able to carry 16 AIM-120 AMRAAM and 4 AIM-9X Sidewinder air to air missiles

Russia is against Turkiye in Syria and Libya
France and Israel will use Egypt-Greece alliance against Turkiye in Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

and still TURAF will use outdated F4s and old F-16s until the TFX ( 15-20 years ) ......

even tiny Qatar will have F-15 , Rafale and Eurofighter
even poor Egypt will have SU-35 , Rafale and Eurofighter
S.Arabia has F-15 and Eurofighter
G-20 Country Turkiye still use outdated crap F-4s ...

Nobody will wait for 15-20 years to attack Turkiye
in a few years we will see France,the Uae(Israel) backed Egypt-Greece alliance military action against Turkiye .. even puppet SISI now threatens Turkiye to use military force in Libya

btw our Naval projects also very slowly ......... our leaders and generals maybe sleeping
never forget about 1832 when the UK and France gave most modern weapons to traitor Kavalalı Mehmed Ali Paşa to attack Istanbul ..... today same senario

 

[Timur]

50 MIG-29M2 , 24 SU-35 , 36 Rafale and 24 Eurofighters

they have gold shitting elephants these mix is a logistic nightmare to bleed them out.. it would be much better to have 120 rafale or 120 su35 than this plane patchwork

the only real opponets are the 36 and 24 rafale+eurofighter the other two are very big planes

so you stated out f35 is no option.. russia is against us.. so buying f35 but f15 sound pretty ironic to me likewise any russian fighter.. whats left? only reasonable fighter aircraft that comes into my mind is Chinese or Korean

 

[AerospaceTech]

if the US block 100 F-35s to TURAF so what ?
to wait the TF-X fleets for 15-20 years to reach operational capability ?

Turkish Airforce becomes another Iranian Airforce .... outdated F-4s and singel engine old F-16s ... nothing else
even Egyptian Airforce will have 50 MIG-29M2 , 24 SU-35 , 36 Rafale and 24 Eurofighters in a few years
even I am not talking about Israeli Airforce ..... and Russian SU-35s always blocked Turkish F-16s in Syria



Qatar buys 36 F-15 , 36 Rafale and 24 Eurofighters ... 96 new Fighter Jets

1) in 2017 Qatar signed a deal to buy 36 F-15 Fighter Jets
F-15 delivery started in 2020 and be completed by 2021

2) in 2015 Qatar signed a deal to buy 36 RAFALE Fighter Jet
RAFALE delivery started in 2019 and be completed by 2020


TURAF needs urgently new Fighter Jets to replace outdated F-4s and for air superiority Fighter
so TURAF can have 48 F-15 or Eurofighter in 5 years ....




F-16 is outdated crap bird to match with F-15 , Rafale , Eurofighter and SU-35 in the region
even Greek Mirage-2000s beat Turkish F-16s in dog fight ..... TURAF needs twin engine real fighter as like F-15 or Eurofighter




Turkiye never will have F-35s under Erdogan .... and in 2023 Erdogan again will win the election to rule Turkiye until june 2028

forget about the F-35 ... even F-35 is very bad option for TURAF ... without American permission flying computer F-35s even can not take off



and Turkiye planed to buy 100 F-35A for $10 billion + $35 billion operating cost for the lifespan of 100 F-35s
$45 billion ... what a great money for Countries like Turkiye

F-15X would cost about $27.000 per hour to fly, well below the $44.000 an hour to fly the F-35A

and Boeing claims that the F-15X will have a whopping 20.000 hour service life , by comparison the F-35 was built to serve only 8.000 hours


What a great Fighter against Russian SU-35 , Egyptian Rafales and Eurofighters

-- APG-63(V)3 AESA Radar
-- AN/AAS-42 Tiger Eyes IRST
-- ROBUST digital electronic warfare suite
-- Fly-by-wire control systems
-- World's fastest mission computer

F-15QAs will be able to carry 16 AIM-120 AMRAAM and 4 AIM-9X Sidewinder air to air missiles

Russia is against Turkiye in Syria and Libya
France and Israel will use Egypt-Greece alliance against Turkiye in Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

and still TURAF will use outdated F4s and old F-16s until the TFX ( 15-20 years ) ......

even tiny Qatar will have F-15 , Rafale and Eurofighter
even poor Egypt will have SU-35 , Rafale and Eurofighter
S.Arabia has F-15 and Eurofighter
G-20 Country Turkiye still use outdated crap F-4s ...

Nobody will wait for 20 years to attack Turkiye
in a few years we will see France,the Uae(Israel) backed Egypt-Greece alliance military action against Turkiye .. even puppet SISI is now threatens Turkiye to use military force in Libya

btw our Naval projects also very slowly ......... our leaders and generals maybe sleeping

Just a really simple question.

Do you believe the US Congress will approve to deal about the F-15 sale for Turkey?

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

The only way we can get F-15s or even perhaps F-35s is if Erdoğan loses the next elections.

Simple fact of the matter is the American and Turkish interests in the Middle East are beginning to line up. Yet there is no way they will give us jets while Erdoğan is in office as it'll make America look weak. I'm sure American defence contractors would love a lucrative deal. However no one in the West wants to be held responsible for selling arms to Erdoğan.

Trust me, if Erdoğan goes the jets will come. I think MMM-E is right. We need jets in the short term. A conflict is near and we can't wait 10-15 years.

 

[MMM-E]

they have gold shitting elephants these mix is a logistic nightmare to bleed them out.. it would be much better to have 120 rafale or 120 su35 than this plane patchwork

the only real opponets are the 36 and 24 rafale+eurofighter the other two are very big planes

dont forget , 50 Egyptian MIG-29M2s armed with KH-31 supersonic anti ship missiles and very good Radar
... MIG-29s are very big threat to Turkish Navy

if Egypt has METEOR air to air missile for 24/36 Rafales and 24 Eurofighters ,,, then its another story

Do you believe the US Congress will approve to deal about the F-15 sale for Turkey?

yes I believe ....
if not , then that means the US declare war on Turkiye and we should kick all American troops/equipments including AN/TPY2 Radar out of Turkiye

btw We can buy 48 Eurofighters with METEOR missiles from the UK/Italy to replace F-4s
the US is not only option

The only way we can get F-15s or even perhaps F-35s is if Erdoğan loses the next elections.

and pro-American puppet government will withdraw Turkish forces from Iraq,Syria and Libya and Turkiye will lose even MAVI VATAN

then we need anything for TURAF ... so what ? to use F-35s in military coups to destroy Turkish governments who will not work for American/Israeli interests ?

 

[Timur]

MIG-29s are very big threat to Turkish Navy

and we have cyprus.. some big radars and aircrafts there equipped with aim120c is good against their migs..

 

[AerospaceTech]

dont forget , 50 Egyptian MIG-29M2s armed with KH-31 supersonic anti ship missiles and very good Radar
... MIG-29s are very big threat to Turkish Navy

if Egypt have METEOR air to air missile for 24/36 Rafales and 24 Eurofighters ,,, then its another story





yes I believe ....
if not , then that means the US declare war on Turkiye and we should kick all American troops/equipments including AN/TPY2 Radar out of Turkiye

btw We can buy 48 Eurofighters with METEOR missiles from the UK/Italy to replace F-4s
the US is not only option

From my point of view, you are taking this situation too optimistic way

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

dont forget , 50 Egyptian MIG-29M2s armed with KH-31 supersonic anti ship missiles and very good Radar
... MIG-29s are very big threat to Turkish Navy

if Egypt have METEOR air to air missile for 24/36 Rafales and 24 Eurofighters ,,, then its another story





yes I believe ....
if not , then that means the US declare war on Turkiye and we should kick all American troops/equipments including AN/TPY2 Radar out of Turkiye

btw We can buy 48 Eurofighters with METEOR missiles from the UK/Italy to replace F-4s
the US is not only option



and pro-American puppet government will withdraw Turkish from Iraq,Syria and Libya and Turkiye will lose even MAVI VATAN

then we need anything for TURAF ... so what ? to use F-35s in military coups to destroy Turkish governments who will not work for American/Israeli interests

The new gov doesn't have to be pro-American... also you do realise that Erdoğan was pro-American for most of his rule.

We need a fresh start in order to be able to procure arms until our defence industry is 100% independent. A new government wouldn't pull us out of Iraq, Syria or Libya... That's the military's business.

 

[Deliorman]

So all of a sudden our MMM-E friend got to the conclusion that Turkey is inferior to Egypt, Israel, Greece, UAE etc? Air Force and Navy are all of a sudden a big Zero that can be destroyed by Sisi and Friends easily.

 

[MMM-E]

and we have cyprus.. some big radars and aircrafts there equipped with aim120c is good against their migs..

if we active S400s then S400s will block Turkish EEZ against any Airforce
but what about Libya ?

Egypt has 600km Radars
and I am saying again if Egypt will have METEOR air to air missile for 36 Rafales and 24 Eurofighters ,,, then its another story
also Egypt buys SU-35s with R-37M hypersonic air to air missiles to engage on even Turkish E-7T AEWCs from very long ranges

Turkish 800km BORA Ballistic Missile and 800km GEZGIN land/naval based Cruise Missile and 300km SOM air launched Cruise Missile will be game changer to destroy Air/Naval Bases , Jet Hangars , Air Defense Systems in Cairo , Alexandria , Port Said , etc

if Turkiye lost Air Force Power , then we can focus on Ballistic and Cruise Missiles as like Iran

So all of a sudden our MMM-E friend got to the conclusion that Turkey is inferior to Egypt, Israel, Greece, UAE etc? Air Force and Navy are all of a sudden a big Zero that can be destroyed by Sisi and Friends easily.

never underestimate the enemies

Nobody will wait for 15-20 years to attack Turkiye
in a few years we will see France,the Uae(Israel) backed Egypt-Greece alliance military action against Turkiye .. even puppet SISI now threatens Turkiye to use military force in Libya

and never forget about 1832 when the UK and France gave most modern weapons to traitor Kavalalı Mehmed Ali Paşa of Egypt to attack Istanbul ..... today same senario

We need a fresh start in order to be able to procure arms until our defence industry is 100% independent. A new government wouldn't pull us out of Iraq, Syria or Libya... That's the military's business.

Erdogan ordered TAF to be in Iraq,Syria,Libya,Qatar,Somali
if the US puppet FETO could destroy ERDOGAN between 2013 and 2016 then Turkiye would lose in Syria,Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean years ago