Which country BD want a better tie in the future?

[Soms]

So you are saying forcing Urdu on Bangladeshis had no part in the their alienation, right from Mr. Jinnah's time?

Bhai das mey se ek ko shayad urdu aati hai yaha pe!
Aur yeh mai Dhaka ki baat kar raha hu. Dhaka ke bahar ye sankhya aur kam ho jayegi.

 

[khair_ctg]

So you are saying forcing Urdu on Bangladeshis had no part in the their alienation, right from Mr. Jinnah's time?

i don't agree with what's on the picture but this is what it was like

 

[Vinod2070]

Bhai das mey se ek ko shayad urdu aati hai yaha pe!
Aur yeh mai Dhaka ki baat kar raha hu. Dhaka ke bahar ye sankhya aur kam ho jayegi.

Parantu yahan par Hindi jaanane walon ki sankhya bahut hai. Lagata hai, jyadatar razakaar hain yahan par.

 

[Soms]

Parantu yahan par Hindi jaanane walon ki sankhya bahut hai. Lagata hai, jyadatar razakaar hain yahan par.

Sahi farmaya aapne sirjee!

 

[Vinod2070]

i don't agree with what's on the picture but this is what it was like

Let's not try to act ignorant here.

If you don't know about the language riots after Urdu was made the only national language, let's not even discuss the issue.

Anyway this is getting OT here.

 

[khair_ctg]

Bhai das mey se ek ko shayad urdu aati hai yaha pe!
Aur yeh mai Dhaka ki baat kar raha hu. Dhaka ke bahar ye sankhya aur kam ho jayegi.

it's crystal clear what you are trying to establish but you should understand the politicization of the issue and illiteracy that has led to your "1/10". and even if this was true, Urdu has a heritage in both Bengals that i would want your denial of. so the rationale that it would be the sole state language of united Pakistan did not include that a majority of Bengalis used it as a first language, but the majority would (be willingly to) use it as second language.

here you are telling us Urdu is native of current India and I agree. not only will the likes of Labong disagree with that, some Indians i interacted with in India and ME (in Urdu/Hindustani) said they knew Hindi but had nothing to do with Urdu.

Parantu yahan par Hindi jaanane walon ki sankhya bahut hai. Lagata hai, jyadatar razakaar hain yahan par.

aaj ka BD Awami League ki buniyad me bhi Bangali Urduwalon ke influence tha. to BD me ke sab Urduwalon razakar ya United Pakistan supporters hai ye bhi bilkul galat hai

 

[Soms]

it's crystal clear what you are trying to establish but you should understand the politicization of the issue and illiteracy that has led to your "1/10". and even if this was true, Urdu has a heritage in both Bengals that i would want your denial of. so the rationale that it would be the sole state language of united Pakistan did not include that a majority of Bengalis used it as a first language, but the majority would (be willingly to) use it as second language.

here you are telling us Urdu is native of current India and I agree. not only will the likes of Labong disagree with that, some Indians i interacted with in India and ME (in Urdu/Hindustani) said they knew Hindi but had nothing to do with Urdu.

Bhai @Vinod2070 aapki case le rahe the ...mai nahi!

I was merely stating a datum...and nothing else.
It is completely based on what I see around me. Ami Bandarban chara mota moti 150+ towns and viallages visit korechi in the past 2 years.

I didn't claim anything else. I personally know only some words in Urdu and cant read it.
However having said all that, Urdu flourished in Delhi and Lahore....& not on the eastern fringes

 

[Al-zakir]

Bhai @Vinod2070 aapki case le rahe the ...mai nahi!

I was merely stating a datum...and nothing else.
It is completely based on what I see around me. Ami Bandarban chara mota moti 150+ towns and viallages visit korechi in the past 2 years.

I didn't claim anything else. I personally know only some words in Urdu and cant read it.
However having said all that, Urdu flourished in Delhi and Lahore....& not on the eastern fringes

What happen to land of "Milk and Honey" India that you have to earn in poor Bangladesh?

Urdu flourished Muslim Dilli (not Delhi), Lahore, Muslim Bengal including Murshidabad and elsewhere by Muslims and for the Muslim.

 

[sidr]

Hindi,Urdu
Bangla
Voted for china.

 

[Soms]

What happen to land of "Milk and Honey" India that you have to earn in poor Bangladesh?

Urdu flourished Muslim Dilli (not Delhi), Lahore, Muslim Bengal including Murshidabad and elsewhere by Muslims and for the Muslim.

Don't even remind me of milk.....the pathetic state of Dairy industry in Bangladesh!
Packaged Aarong milk costs Tk.58/litre ~ Rs. 45....absurd
Iska toh paneer bhi nahi bana sakte!!

Dairy farm se mangwao toh Tk. 78/ltr.
You have tea with powdered milk or......oh and wait for it!....condensed milk
Bangladesh hardship factor is sky high....i get to "embezzle" a lot for "poor" Bangladesh

IMHO...Murshirabad does pass ...but was nowhere close to "Delhi" and Lahore.
It never captured the "mindshare" of the local populace...for it to actually "thrive"

 

[DarkPrince]

Don't even remind me of milk.....the pathetic state of Dairy industry in Bangladesh!
Packaged Aarong milk costs Tk.58/litre ~ Rs. 45....absurd
Iska toh paneer bhi nahi bana sakte!!

Dairy farm se mangwao toh Tk. 78/ltr.
You have tea with powdered milk or......oh and wait for it!....condensed milk
Bangladesh hardship factor is sky high....i get to "embezzle" a lot for "poor" Bangladesh

IMHO...Murshirabad does pass ...but was nowhere close to "Delhi" and Lahore.
It never captured the "mindshare" of the local populace...for it to actually "thrive"

look at the population and corruption in this country. people are not dying out of hunger thats a big thing

 

[khair_ctg]

Bhai @Vinod2070 aapki case le rahe the ...mai nahi!

I was merely stating a datum...and nothing else.
It is completely based on what I see around me. Ami Bandarban chara mota moti 150+ towns and viallages visit korechi in the past 2 years.

I didn't claim anything else. I personally know only some words in Urdu and cant read it.
However having said all that, Urdu flourished in Delhi and Lahore....& not on the eastern fringes

according to you, Lahore is also a 'western fringe' that is not associated with the formal Urdu or 'book Urdu'. i have talked to Lahoris and most of them have a heavy Punjabi accent and use Punjabi words. do i need to tell you what Indian Hyderabadi Urdu accent is like or the Urdu from Old Dhaka? because the western fringes have not had the identical formal traditions of Lucknow or Aligarh, and so Urdu "did not flourish as much" in Punjab and Sindh, what is stopping you from advising Punjabi Muslims that they should dump any Urdu and switch their language to something like the Indian Punjabis'? and remember that here i am only accounting for Bengali Muslim traditions, not that of the former migrants from Lucknow and Allahabad (and lot of other places) who also make up Bangladesh. besides other places, Murshidabad, Dhaka (Jahangirnagar), Calcutta and Azimabad have traditionally had tremendous amount of Urdu practiced and works published in Urdu, besides in Farsi.

 

[INDIC]

some of that is political half knowledge and out of illteracy. but then you are talking to a Bengali Muslim himself. i'd suggest you learn what you don't know about a neigbouring Muslim society. you should realize how inappropriate your statements are, as if you are trying to make someone dislike or like a language, or trying to dictate what language is his and what is not

It wasn't some of them but most of the Bengali Muslim traditionally never accepted Urdu language.

 

[khair_ctg]

It wasn't some of them but most of the Bengali Muslim traditionally never accepted Urdu language.

ALL educated Bengali Muslims traditionally endeared, patronized and depended on Urdu. all i need to attest that are books on history and looking at many people and families i personally know or get info of, and both back up this reality that you are in denial of. i don't need to consult clueless political savages on this forum. and people know exactly why you want to establish the myth. even if i take that the majority of Bengali Muslims at a latter point during British rule were uneducated and not versed in Urdu, it would still be very wrong to say they did not accept it. but the trend as you might know has been Urdu has suffered tremendously in East Pak/Bangladesh which forms a very adverse epoch in the history of the land. and Sanskrit-heavy Bengali has been making wild inroads not only in formal mediums but also some local dialects

 

[LaBong]

ALL educated Bengali Muslims traditionally endeared, patronized and depended on Urdu.

That is untruth as far as it goes. Urdu has never been a language which have had a foothold among Bengali Muslims! There have been Urdu speakers in Bengal, more in western part than eastern, but they are migrants from North India and my wild guess is you and many others in this forum fall under that category.

Before Bengali became the language of court as well as ligua franca, Persian was used by Nabwabs of Murshidabad as official language and then English when Bengal was colonized by Britons. Both educated Muslims and educated Hindus used to learn Persian and then English as a second language which would help them to secure a job. There have never been a single instance of Urdu getting used as court language or lingua franca. Please peddle the snake oil of yours to people who are not Bengali or have little idea of history of Bengal.