Where would the country be today if musharraf had told the usa "no"

[Raja420]

Had musharraf decided to fight against America and told them to fuvk off would the Americans wage war against a nuclear Pakistan? Or would they just sit back and put sanctions on Pakistan?
I wish musharraf had told no to America's war on terror.
So many innocent lives were gone and we were on the wrong side of history. If we had fought atleast we would've held our integrity in the Muslim world.

If general zia ul haq was in power I believe he would've went to war against America. I wish I lived in his time he was a True mujahideen.

 

[jamahir]

There goes your whatever little credibility !
You are only a wikipedia jockey,
use your brain.

What's wrong in what I said ? Does he have no connection with the unfortunately named Black September event ? And I had also edited this in - "Isn't the same irrational who got his "scientists" to research on harvesting jinn power ?". Please read this article from 2018 which also mentions his "worthy" son :

The Air University, a public research university established by the Pakistan Air Force, held a seminar at its Islamabad campus in April this year to discuss jinns and the role of the occult in society. This widely-advertised event was presided over by ‘spiritual cardiologist’ Raja Ziaul Haq, who describes himself on his social media page as a “FUNdamentalist”.

Quite obviously, our society is becoming a place of increased confusion and intellectual chaos. This, of course, is not the first seminar about jinns. Others have been held over the years. Some were held as far back as in the era of General Ziaul Haq, who bizarrely attempted to introduce ‘Islamic science’ and promote theories under which energy harnessed from jinns could be used to fulfil our fuel shortage and resolve other issues.

"FUNdamentalist". Perhaps Zia junior is in touch with our very intellectual @Areesh who once said that he, Areesh, puts the fun in fundamentalism.

Zia's "scientists" are essentially today's Modi's "scientists".

 

[Areesh]

"FUNdamentalist". Perhaps Zia junior is in touch with our very intellectual @Areesh who once said that he, Areesh, puts the fun in fundamentalism.

Zia "scientists" are essentially today's Modi's "scientists".

Go f*ck yourself pervert

 

[Abid123]

Shavit 2 Israeli space launch vehicle already could bring a 800kg payload to orbit, its first launch was in 1988.

You really think the Jericho 3 can't hit every point on earth? Besides, Israel has submarines armed with nuclear cruise missiles that could also hit any point that's up to 1500+ km from the shore line.

Educate yourself before spewing bullshit you have no idea about.

I guess exposing your false claims is equal to "spewing bullshit"? Is not it? The truth is that you cant target USA kid. Jericho 3 has a max range of 6500 km. The truth is that you cant hit them if they nuked you lmao. Those german submarines are only useful for retaliating against regional countries. They would be detected before they could launch them.

USA could nuke Israel tomorrow and you can not retalitle in any form. You can only nuke Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, UK and France. North Korea and USA are out of your reach. You can hit them in your "imagination" if you want too.

 

[Abid123]

You'd get eradicated way before your plan could even hope to work

All nations on planet including your country would be eradicted if a war breaks out with the USA. They would just come in and bomb the hell out of every Israeli air force and navy base. The only nations that can fight the USA both conventionally and nuclear are Russia and China. The rest of the world does not stand a chance.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I guess exposing your false claims is equal to "spewing bullshit"? Is not it? The truth is that you cant target USA kid. Jericho 3 has a max range of 6500 km. The truth is that you cant hit them if they nuked you lmao. Those german submarines are only useful for retaliating against regional countries. They would be detected before they could launch them.

USA could nuke Israel tomorrow and you can not retalitle in any form. You can only nuke Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, UK and France. North Korea and USA are out of your reach. You can hit them in your "imagination" if you want too.

6,500km, right, because Israel released information about its range?

Seems like your brain is underdeveloped, if Israel can bring an 800kg of payload to orbit since 1988, it can bring 800kg or more to any point on earth. Especially as the Jericho 3 was developed in 2008, 20 years after the Shavit 2 launcher.

All nations on planet including your country would be eradicted if a war breaks out with the USA. They would just come in and bomb the hell out of every Israeli air force and navy base. The only nations that can fight the USA both conventionally and nuclear are Russia and China. The rest of the world does not stand a chance.

Am I trying to dispute that? It just seems like there are some delusional war mongering neanderthals that think Pakistan has a chance to stand against the US.

Conventionally no one has a chance to win against the US.

 

[Hydration]

6,500km, right, because Israel released information about its range?

Seems like your brain is underdeveloped, if Israel can bring an 800kg of payload to orbit since 1988, it can bring 800kg or more to any point on earth. Especially as the Jericho 3 was developed in 2008, 20 years after the Shavit 2 launcher.


Am I trying to dispute that? It just seems like there are some delusional war mongering neanderthals that think Pakistan has a chance to stand against the US.

Conventionally no one has a chance to win against the US.

not even nuclear

 

[Beny Karachun]

not even nuclear

There's no winners in such a war, not until the US develops a really good air defense system and deploys tens of thousands of their missiles.

 

[Menace2Society]

Had musharraf decided to fight against America and told them to fuvk off would the Americans wage war against a nuclear Pakistan? Or would they just sit back and put sanctions on Pakistan?
I wish musharraf had told no to America's war on terror.
So many innocent lives were gone and we were on the wrong side of history. If we had fought atleast we would've held our integrity in the Muslim world.

If general zia ul haq was in power I believe he would've went to war against America. I wish I lived in his time he was a True mujahideen.

Pakistan lost its reputation with the west for Afghanistan and suffered terrorism by Afghan based militants. Afghans knew what they were doing, they were always going to target Pakistan even when they were being invaded. Their prophet OBL promised them Pakistan AQ strategy had always been to plunge a nation into chaos to gain influence.

So by rejecting to be part of the WOT would not have yielded any benefit whatsoever apart from Afghans not taking out their frustrations on Pakistan but the sanctions and complete cut off from the west would have resulted in heavier financial losses by losing trade with euros and yanks. You would have gone bankrupt by 2010.

Would this all have been worth it for the Afghans who made stupid decisions such as backing OBL and AQ?

Pakistan should have fully committed to the WOT, immediately started fortifying the border with a wall and heavy troop deployment. Comb FATA, KPK and Baluchistan for Taliban sympathizers and Afghans. Refugees gathered from across the country and moved into camps near the border. Border completely sealed for the foreseeable.

US and Pak forces should have synchronized for joint campaigns in Khost, Paktia and Kunar with PA boots on ground, to root out any anti Pakistan militants. Should have been transparent and effective.

This would have saved thousands of Pakistani lives,our reputation and cultural damage caused by Afghan extremism.

 

[Raja420]

But what is your age, my man ? You spoke at length about Musharraf and the WOT in the OP but don't know his famous raid on Lal Masjid of later ? @RescueRanger, is this member really Pakistani ?

Haan waye Hindua hun gal kar.

I know about the raid on Lal Masjid you asked me to attack the Lal Masjid and I told you why would I attack the Masjid. Don't put your dirty Hindu words in my mouth.

As for the ttp I didn't know them by name but I know there are terrorist groups who have enmity with our army. This is all of musharrafs doing imho. If he didn't side with the crusaders on wot none of this happens. Our own people wouldn't have gone against the army. Musharraf created this mess which will take decades maybe centuries for things to cool down between the two parties. It's a tactic used since mankind was created divide and conquer. America succeeded in creating enemies for Pakistan within our borders. I don't agree with the terrorists ways but the situation could've been avoided.

For example if muslims attack Canada and the USA sides with the muslims the Christians of America would revolt against their army and side with their Christian brothers. Pakistan is my country I know what goes on in my land I don't need to explain to a hindu like you whether I'm Pakistani or not.

 

[Raja420]

BTW I'm 31. It pi

Shavit 2 Israeli space launch vehicle already could bring a 800kg payload to orbit, its first launch was in 1988.

You really think the Jericho 3 can't hit every point on earth? Besides, Israel has submarines armed with nuclear cruise missiles that could also hit any point that's up to 1500+ km from the shore line.

Educate yourself before spewing bullshit you have no idea about.


You'd get eradicated way before your plan could even hope to work

No we wouldn't. was Vietnam eradicated? and if America took extreme measures two countries would've been eradicated along with Pakistan, Israel and India. America wouldn't dare to attack Pakistan knowing their daddy Israel was gonna get destroyed in the process.
Our people would've fought bravely and let's say if we were going to get eradicated atleast we would've died like men.

 

[Raja420]

Whether Pakistan is nuclear or not doesn't matter. It doesn't have the capability to hit the US today, let alone back then.

Pakistan had the capability to hit Israel though plus we would be on the defensive main objective would've been to defend the motherland. I believe our people would've put up a good fight and would've given the USA a bloody nose which they would've remembered for centuries.

An uneducated Hindutvadi nutjob from India calls me "an Islamist masquerading as a Communist" and you an uneducated nutjob overseas Pakistani who doesn't even know about Lal Masjid and TTP call me Hindu. Oh how I am hated by nutjobs from everywhere.

Biggest nutjob here is you. Pretend to be a Muslim infront of Muslims and then change your religion to hindutva infront of your Hindu masters.
How many times a day do you polish your Hindu masters boots everyday?
A person like you is called a hypocrite.

 

[MultaniGuy]

They also threatened to totally destory North Korea years ago. What happened? North Korea regularly test fires ballistic missiles while USA screams stop like a little bitch?

Then our country would never develop.
Our country would be the craphole like North Korea. A pariah state.

I think Pervez Musharraf was being smart. I mean is it smart to stand up to a superpower like that?

I would've chosen to be a martyr than a slave. Just my opinion.

So let our country be sanctioned or be bombed back to the stone age like Iraq?

No way mate. Musharraf made the right choice. Otherwise our country would never develop.

Or be a pariah state like North Korea.

 

[LeGenD]

This thread is a true representation of quality in debating. Members in this thread are so polite and nice to each other.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

USA spent $3 trillion to civilise pashtuns but ended up abandoning them. Every afghani kid grows up thinking about becoming terrorist one day. I'd say good luck to Pak army fighting them.

Without Musharraf saying yes to USA we would have become like Afghanistan. Now we are half way there so he got us some time.

 

[Raja420]

Then our country would never develop.
Our country would be the craphole like North Korea. A pariah state.

I think Pervez Musharraf was being smart. I mean is it smart to stand up to a superpower like that?

Only superpower is Allah.
If Vietnam gave a bloody nose to America imagine what Pakistan would've done to them.