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Bill Longley

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LOST IDENTITY: WHERE ARE THE SOLDIERS OF TTP?

Operation Rah e Nijat has entered 4th week today so far except in one or two places we have seen TTP fighter melting away and giving no resistance. In Past three weeks 400 plus militants were killed and forces suffered less then forty casualties.

Forces have captured and cleared Laddah, Sararoga, Kot kai and Kunigram, which were important bases of TTP terrorists and their Al Qaeda Allies. Today forces have also entered Makeen, which was where Baitullah Mahsud got killed. Forces have discovered large amount of Russian and Indian Ammunition, Hundreds of hide outs and caves used by them. Pakistani forces have linked each other from three axisis they started their offensive. Now they will be pushing the TTP and Al Qaeda terrorists in the designated killing zone to kill maximum militants.

According to reports resistance is only being given by foreign fighters. Local Taliban have either escaped to Kurram or Aurak zai or are not getting into fight with forces. It is also becoming visible that Majority of Mahsuds ,were supporting TTP due to coercion from hardcore militants and foreign elements especially Uzbeks. Now when nearly all leadership has went underground and their bases are in control of forces these Mahsuds are free from TTP coercion and are not fighting a war which they never wanted to fight.
TTP leadership it self appears to be confuse by the resistance its forces is showing. Hakeem Ullah in a massage to his fighter has said, as reported by associated press
Do not look for excuses to run away from the fighting, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan chief Hakeemullah Mehsud told his fighters on Thursday. “Remember, this is the commandment of God that once fighting starts with the enemy, you cannot leave the battlefield without permission from your commander,” he told the Taliban in a speech, broadcast on Tuesday over a wireless radio network. Those who do run away, he warned, “such people will go to hell.” “We are in jihad and we should not pay heed to the whispers of Satan,” Mehsud said. ap

According to Colonel Ikram Sehgal, Editor of Defense Journal, the hard core Taliban were not more then 1500 to 2000 they had support of nearly 1500 Uzbeks, Chechens and Arabs. It makes total enemy force near to 3000 fighters. The assessment of forces about TTP militants was some where between 15000 to 20000, which was based on intelligence assessment, which counted the civilians coerced in to becoming Taliban as TTP fighters.

Again if we want understanding what force TTP is, we have to realize that it’s a network of 20 to 30 extremist organizations. It’s not like a conventional force with bases in which troops are concentrated. The out fits which make TTP have their own strong areas. In many cases these different out fits have ideological and personal disputes amongst each other. For example Taliban from Swat are very different from those in Waziristan. Taliban of Bajor follows Panjpiri ideology which is amalgam of extreme Deobandi and Salfi ideology. TTP SWA is more criminal then a other Jihadi out fits. Similarly TTP Aurak Zai and Kurram, Al though belongs to Hakeem ullah Mahsud out fit is more sectarian then TTP Mohmand or Bajor or SWAT.
It is not realistic to think that clearing SWA is going to eliminate terrorism in Pakistan. In fact it will have very minute effect. At present there are three areas which have emerged as important militant strong holds amongst them Aurak zai and Kurram Agency have Taliban training infrastructure where as South Punjab especially Bhakkar, DG Khan and Rojhan have ideal conditions for recruitment of extremists.

Some analysts think to make operation successful forces must kill or capture TTP top leadership includeing Hakeem Ullah Mahsud, Qari Hussain and Wali Ur Rehman Mahsud. By killing or capturing them, will provide conditions similar to the conditions which Pakistan failed to exploit fully when Baitullah Mahsud was killed in August this year.
Some analysts are saying that Hakeem ullah Mahsud is not in SWA. He escaped to Aurak Zai where his in-laws live. If that’s true then Aurak Zai should be next Target.
One more thing which has become clear is that US presence in Afghanistan is the biggest reason for militancy in the region. TTP was no where prior to American occupation of Afghanistan. Without understanding then devising strategy Americans played in the hands of India and Northern Alliance. It caused Pashtun un-rest through out Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Tribals in FATA and NWFP were bound to help their brothers who were prosecuted in Afghanistan. US and NATO failed to understand basic fact that without addressing Pashtun grievances US and world community’s efforts were meaningless.
Now when Barak Obama is in white house, US leadership is trying to take steps in positive direction. Recognizing Hamid Karzai as Legitimately elected President of Afghanistan and efforts for Negotiations with Afghan Taliban are steps in right direction.
In Afghanistan when US is taking right directions, Pakistan has become victim of American Policy effects. Now when Pakistan is on fire, without apology to Pakistani nation, US is admitting that it’s responsible for mess it created.
Clearly, Al Qaeda left Afghanistan. And we let them out, she told Greta Van Susteren of FOX News. You know, we should have taken them out when we had the chance back in 2001 and 2002 and they escaped. And they escaped into Pakistan.
Asked if the US was also responsible for Al Qaeda’s presence in Fata, Secretary Clinton acknowledged that if the US had done a better job in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda would not have slipped into Pakistan.
If we had done a better job going into Afghanistan and capture the people who had attacked us or killed them you know, we would be in a different position,’ she said.

On other hand Afghan Taliban has also rejected offer by US for negotiations. Mullah Brader Akhund in interview with CNN in clear words said
"This war will come to an end when all invaders leave our country,"
If Obama administration is really interested in eliminating disability in the region then it should give time table for troop pull out from Afghanistan. Analysts say that US and NATO presence in the region is the biggest source of disability in the region. So far Pakistan has given lots of sacrifices for American ego. We have fought Extremists in Bajor, Malakand and SWA and defeated them. But our success is not getting effects because Pashtuns are Pashtuns and after religion they follow their thousands of year old code of conduct Pashtun wali. They are simple but traditional. Talibanization is only possible in Pashtun tribal areas and they cannot force it in settled areas and they know it.
By disturbing Pashtun tribal culture an amalgam of Religious fanatics, Nationalists and criminal elements has come out as Tehrik Taliban Pakistan. If US and NATO Leaves Afghanistan Pashtun nationalists and Religious extremists will settle down and criminal element will be easily neutralized.
Any one who has research on Taliban knows Taliban has local agenda. They fought only in Afghanistan. Their movement under went many Phases. During first Phase they were reactionary force against Land and Drug lords. Then they became Pashtun nationalists who claimed Islam to be their ideological base but followed PashtunWali more then Islam. Then Al Qaeda was introduced by courtesy of Barhanuddin Rabbani of Northern Alliance who became ally of Taliban due to money and superior ideology but still Taliban remained in Limits of Afghanistan.
The real enemy of world peace was and is Al Qaeda and Takfiri ideology. But according to Hillary Clinton it managed to escape from Afghanistan. It came to Pakistan but due to Pakistani military operations is now running to Somalia and Yeman . It means the aim of war in Afghanistan has been achieved. US and NATO should leave Afghanistan and head for Somalia and Yemen or afford the region to destabilize further and sow more seeds of hatred in hearts of the people dwelling here.
The paper analysts who are more Islam phobic or Pakistan phobic are trying their best to mislead their people. I have always advocated to Strategic Culture theory in understanding regional problems.
Understand the culture then act and you will win hearts and minds along with ground. Stop pursuing your so called strategic interests which are making people suffer in other parts of the world. God has Blessed America and west be thank full to his kindness don’t be a curse for other fellows who see you as elder brother and when you fail to act like one they become reactionary.

LOST IDENTITY: WHERE ARE THE SOLDIERS OF TTP?
 
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All initial estimates went wrong , infact TTP have less then 1000 loyal mehsud fighters and few handred uzbik and Tajik .

US want to involve us in their war , in which they suceed.

Pakistan citizen will suffer from this operation , TTP will start now gurrilla war all over Pakistan.

Khuda Pahar Nikla Chua
 
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I think Yes US of A is the biggest cause of destability in the region
But TTP is a realistic threat. TTP terrorists escaped area before June when operation Rah e Nijat was Launched
I think they have Two important bases left
1. Kurram
2. Aurakzai

we have to neutralize them
and if US leaves I think Religous fanatics and Nationalists will settle down and the criminal elements will be easily neutralized

Killing of ethnic pashtuns by the hand of occupation forces will keep on createing trubles for us in Pakistan
 
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There is no short term solution for terrorism , it is long term process and need lot of resources .

PA need to win heart of local tribes for long term sucess, simple solution is we should say good bye to USA.
 
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DEAR ISMAIL KHNA: Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Hakimullah Mehsud has urged his fighters to stand fast against the military offensive in South Waziristan, warning them in an intercepted message obtained on Thursday that cowards will go to hell.

“Remember this is the commandment of God that once fighting starts with the enemy, you cannot leave the battlefield without permission from your commander, and don’t look for excuses to run away from the fighting,” Hakimullah told his followers in a speech on Tuesday broadcast over a wireless radio network. Of those, who do run away, he warned, “Such people will go to hell.”

The intelligence officials shared a recording of the speech with The Associated Press, to show that the militant leader is concerned about desertions in the ranks. “We are in Jihad and we should not pay heed to the whispers of Satan. We should sacrifice our lives for Islam so that we can feel pride on the day of judgment,” Hakimullah said.

Irfan Burki & Daud Khattak add from Wana and Peshawar: Twenty-eight militants and five soldiers, an officer among them, were killed as security forces continued battling their way into the Taliban strongholds of Ladha and Makeen on the 20th day of the operation Rah-e-Nijat in South Waziristan on Thursday.

Five more militants were arrested while two soldiers suffered injuries in clashes with the insurgents, claimed the military officials, who said the troops were consolidating their positions in areas vacated by the militants.

Taliban, on the other hand, said their withdrawal from their former strongholds was tactical and that they were planning to launch scattered attacks on security forces. Talking to a local journalist by telephone from an undisclosed location, Taliban spokesman Azam Tariq admitted they had vacated some areas but under a strategy. He claimed that they had started attacking security forces from Wednesday and their men had carried out some attacks in different areas of Ladha and Makeen.

Both sides were issuing conflicting claims about gains in the fighting. Earlier, the Taliban had admitted the death of only 11 of their men since October 17, while the death tally among the Taliban by the Army troops since that period has surpassed 400.

The political administration officials said the troops had advanced some 30 kilometres from the Wana direction so far. They had captured some strategically important areas of Ladha Tehsil, which will facilitate their advance on the town.

According to officials, security forces have got control of Garde Serai mountain after consolidating positions in Ladha and the freshly captured Ladha Fort, which was abandoned by the Frontier Corps (FC) after immense pressure from the militants more than a year ago.

Sources said the FC fort was mostly destroyed by the militants, but its capture would leave considerable psychological effects on the advancing troops and the retreating militants. A clash was reported in Shamerai village near the Ladha bridge. Officials said seven militants were killed and some others sustained injuries in the firefight. They said the rest of militants fled the scene.

The troops also captured Sheen Sar and the Hanrai Tangi area in their advance from Jandola towards Srarogha. From the Razmak side, the troops have seized the control of Panj Plorai and Ashkar Kot to reach the Taliban stronghold of Makeen.

A statement from the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said a blast near Srarogha killed five soldiers, including one officer. Two more soldiers suffered injuries. The explosion occurred as the troops were busy in a clearance operation and consolidating their positions on the Jandola-Srarogha axis.

The troops have captured the areas of Shashak and Bangalkhel on the Shakai-Kaniguram axis. Seven militants were killed in retaliatory fire from security forces in Mangora and Ghundai Ghar. The troops secured the road from Asman Manza to Gadawai, said the official statement.

Security forces conducted a house-to-house search in Spin Kamar, Wucha Kauan, Algad and Lugar Manza on the Razmak-Makeen axis. Five militants were killed in a clash in the Lita Sar area on the same axis. Arms and ammunition were also recovered during the search.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=25399
 
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Hope that the PDF wipes them out sooner than later and that Pakistan and the rest of the world is freed from these savages. God bless the fallen soldiers.
 
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This shows that there is no 'stratergy' between the TTP rats , their 'spokesman' was saying that they had fled ( leaving behind their weapons :D ) as part of a 'strategic withdrawl' and here the head r a t is asking the others not to flee.

The villiage idots bit off more than what they atacked GHQ , Peshawar and Rawalpindi and now the gats of hell await them and

the media clowns from these areas who have sympahies for these idiots better be carfull , you are being watched and monitored closely.

Zindabad Pakistan
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Hope that the PDF wipes them out sooner than later and that Pakistan and the rest of the world is freed from these savages. God bless the fallen soldiers.

Dont come here with your psuedo-praise for our efforts , I find it offensive

YOUR country is backing these bastards with money and materal through your presence in afghansitan. You may be able to fool some gullible Pakistanis but there are those of us who know very well who are enemies of Pakistan and we intend to take the fight to ALL , one by one , GOD willing!
 
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YOUR country is backing these bastards with money and materal through your presence in afghansitan. You may be able to fool some gullible Pakistanis but there are those of us who know very well who are enemies of Pakistan and we intend to take the fight to ALL , one by one , GOD willing!

There is no proof regarding Indian involvement. And how can India support some people who are against India ideologically. It's the low grade conspiracy theories which are doing much more harm.:crazy:

Lastly, thumbs up to PDF.:tup:
 
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Dont come here with your psuedo-praise for our efforts , I find it offensive

YOUR country is backing these bastards with money and materal through your presence in afghansitan. You may be able to fool some gullible Pakistanis but there are those of us who know very well who are enemies of Pakistan and we intend to take the fight to ALL , one by one , GOD willing!

Botswana is backing the Taliban ????? :blink:

Oh you meant India? Well if India is backing the Taliban then do ask your authorities to furnish evidence asap please. I am certain that Indian voters and the BJP will love to see evidence of Congress assisting or supporting the Taliban cos come next elections they (Congress) will be voted out sooner than an egg from an ostrich's rear end. As for the rest of your brainwashed comments, keep it for your kitchen. I have always expressed my support for the PDF against the Taliban and so have many other Indian posters here. So take a chill pill and stop spewing your hatred out here. Whether you accept it or not , my money is on the PDF when it comes to the battle against the Taliban. Offcourse if it ever comes to a battle between the IDF and the PDF then my bets will definately change. Till then place some ice on your forehead and do what I am doing. Pray for your soldiers to wipe out the Taliban swine without any further loses to the PDF :cheers:
 
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indians do sweet talk on this forum but just visit bharat rakshak and see their real intentions. Truly two faced

Indian involvement in the unreset has been reported by commanders in the filed and by senior officals. Indian nationals have been arrested from Lahore and even from the battle zone.

Indians are as usual doing the 'baghal mein churi muan mein ram ram' , just give it up , your plan has been busted and we'll be buting more than just your plans and desing against Pakistan ! INSHA ALLAH!
 
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There is no proof regarding Indian involvement. And how can India support some people who are against India ideologically. It's the low grade conspiracy theories which are doing much more harm.:crazy:

against india ideologically?

these guys are trying to destroy pakistan, i think they are perfectly in tune with india "ideologically"
 
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indians do sweet talk on this forum but just visit bharat rakshak and see their real intentions. Truly two faced

Indian involvement in the unreset has been reported by commanders in the filed and by senior officals. Indian nationals have been arrested from Lahore and even from the battle zone.

Indians are as usual doing the 'baghal mein churi muan mein ram ram' , just give it up , your plan has been busted and we'll be buting more than just your plans and desing against Pakistan ! INSHA ALLAH!

Poor guy. You really need help or else you will blow out a blood vessel in your head. Which "commanders" have been feeding you all those stories ? Or are they dreams which you have been having at night? Read up my earlier post about the ice on the forehead. It really does help sometimes when you hyper ventilate. Btw..what does "desing" mean? :coffee:
 
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against india ideologically?

these guys are trying to destroy pakistan, i think they are perfectly in tune with india "ideologically"

Is it Indian ideology to "destroy Pakistan"? I really do not know much about Indian ideology since I have been based in Africa most of my life. Would definately surprise me if that is Indian ideology though. As a matter of curiosity , is it also Pakistani ideology to "destroy India"? I am not being sarcastic and maybe derailing this thread but since the issue did arise and considering that 2 Indian posters here have expressed their support for PDF, will you kindly answer that .
 
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