When will Pakistan become a 1st world country?

[khail007]

With present system (Khao pyo tay pakrai na dayo); it seems never.

 

[LegitimateIdiot]

You a faggot or something?

i can't be a faggot if i'm against homosexuality

 

[airmarshal]

Never!! Not with current corrupt political establishment.

You cant even dream of First World country when your country runs on borrowed money. For 70 years, education and investment in human resources has not a priority. When you dont have educated and skilled human resource, even if you are rich like Gulf monarchies, you cant be First World.

 

[meistre927]

Pakistan will not be a 1st world country, ever.

1st world = Countries in the capitalist order aligned with the US.

2nd world = Communist countries aligned with the USSR.

3rd world = Non-aligned countries.

We can talk about economy. Here, Pakistan will not be a rich or high income country in another 30 years. Just the way it is. Optimistically, Pakistan can be a medium income country in 30 years, pessimistically, it will lurch from disaster to disaster in the next 30 years.

Secularism and faggotry ≠ progress or advancement.

Indonesia, Benin, Burkina Faso, India, Bangladesh, Kyrgyzstan and many many more countries are secular.

They are also primitive, corrupt, dysfunctional, retrograde, backward.

It may be hard to swallow.

Truth is, the Oriental Chinese and Japanese could only develop because of their high IQ and good work ethic. Same as Europeans.

There is not a single instance of Indonesian and their related races, Kyrgyz or their related races, Indians or their related races and Africans or their related races that generated a developed, scientifically advanced, economically prosperous and equitable society.

None.

Facts.

 

[RealNapster]

2070 to become a developed 1st world country

And by 2070 , what would be the 2010's "first world countries" ?? ONE WORLD FEDERATION ?

 

[meistre927]

No they have not. In fact it can work the opposite way. By adopting a pro development model a country can became strong and able to defy the dominant powers. This can bring angst from the West.

On the contrary you can run a religious hell hole like KSA which of course has no real strength to do anything is is beholden to US, thus is seen as a ally. China has adopted most of what West runs on but has taken it even further. It actually pose a real threat and you know what the situation is.

And I repeat China is one step ahead of the West. It is not just secular but hyper-secular.

* You guy's are aware that most Chinese are athiest?

Top Athiest countries in the world.

1. China.
2. Japan.
3. Czech Republic.
4. France.
5. Australia.




This is something our diplomatic Chinese members take care to broach. But this is the reality. Chinese are most secular (hyper-secular) and irrelegious than any other people on earth.

It can work the other way round too.

China was atheist and Communist when Mao Tse Tung took over. And it was literally a sh*tole then, a lot worse than it is now. Not saying they are not a sh*thole now, just that things were much worse back then.

You have Kyrgyz republic which is atheist and a sh*thole.

You have Indonesia, Benin, Burkina Faso which are sh*tholes, too.

China is THE LEAST impressive of the East Asian countries in its development process.

Name any objective transparent index, it trails its Oriental peers by a wide margin, despite 4 decades of bonhomie with the West.

Apart from China's size, there is nothing impressive about China's very very ordinary achievements. A lot of hype aside, of course.

To put things in perspective, you have a country that is more than the size of the EU and USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand put together, that even after four decades is poorer than Slovenia.

The result of atheism in China, perhaps? Using your line of argumentation?

So the Chinese and Turks sold their souls to the West? No offence the biggest sell outs to the West are the religious monarchies like KSA and the other oily Gulfdoms that so many Pakistani's are enamoured of.

Uncle Sam please, please help !

All three of them sold their souls to the West.

Turkey begs and implores Europe for membership for decades. Sorry application is rejected.

Turkey still comes with a begging bowl in hand to improve its standards of governance and living because it has no other alternative.

If you did not know, Turkey sold its soul to the West by aping European laws and customs, traditions and values. It ditched Arabic based alphabet for Roman based alphabet. Because (1) it is intellectually deficient enough not to invent an alphabet for its own nationality and (2) because Arabic brought no benefit that Roman based alphabet would not.

Turks forcefully banned headgear in public offices but allowed perversions and nudity. Yet, they were always dirt poor and always dirt poor. They are Europe's Mexico, in a way.

Just like Turkey is Europe's Mexico, China is the world's Mexico. It sold out its Confucian culture for the rotten notion of Communism, which as you rightly pointed out, was developed in the West. Copycats in Russia or China or the Orient can only ape their superiors in the West, that is the maximum extent of their intellectual development, as its proven before again and again. Then, it backstabbed its brother in arms the Soviet Union for a warm embrace with the USA. If that were not enough, when the US pushed for sanctions at the UN on Iran and North Korea, China meekly complied. In the last two decades, I can not think of a single major international agenda on which China stood steadfastly against the USA alone. That is because it has sold its soul, its women sell their bodies all over Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Dongguang, Shanghai, Qingdao and you name it and its bureaucrats send their children and family to the West for emigration because China at the core is rotten.

Despite 40 years of opening up, in every measure of objective development and progress, China feels more comfortable comparing with India than with Japan. That sentence tells you everything about the cataclysmic failure that has been PR China.

Saudi kingdom is more of the same. In alliance with the UK it came to power. Changed boss to the US to prop up the petro dollar system. And its occupation of your two holy sites means US can control its Saudi stooges to steer dumb and illiterate Muslim masses' anger and emotion towards any direction it wants.

None of these three countries are independent.

You talk like China has achieved some sort of a miracle when except for size or scale, there has been just nothing extraordinary, nothing whatsoever, that China has achieved. Pathetic for a homogeneous country that is bigger than any other continent in the world, in population, suckling off the American teat for so long.

 

[M.SAAD]

Not unless we learn to think beyond the Religion and stop mixing Religion with Politics.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

it is intellectually deficient enough not to invent an alphabet for its own nationality

What about Germany? What about France? Did they develop their own alphabet? Are they also intellectually deficient?

All alphabets are derived from Levant - or more precisely Phoenician script is the mother of these alphabets. Are you aware of this?

Despite 40 years of opening up, in every measure of objective development and progress, China feels more comfortable comparing with India than with Japan. That sentence tells you everything about the cataclysmic failure that has been PR China.

You can't compare China with Japan. The latter was far ahead of China in 1950. However you can compare China with India as both are about same size and were at about the same level in 1950. Compare the two now to see how well China has done.

Same as Europeans.

If progress is writ in our genes where was Europe in 2000BCE? Or in1000BCE? Or in 500BCE? Or in 1000AD? Don't let the present or recent present fog your thinking?

And if Japanese orKoreans or Chinese have high IQ was it on vacation prior to 1900?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

What about Germany? What about France? Did they develop their own alphabet? Are they also intellectually deficient?

Meistre is talking nonsense. Our alphabet changed many times. I can proof this.

Old Turkish:

Translation:
When the blue sky above and the brown earth below were created, between them a human being was created. Over the human beings, my ancestors Bumin Kagan and Istemi Kagan ruled. They ruled people by Turkish laws, they led them and succeeded.

Then we used the Arabic alphabet and today we are using the Latin alphabet. I don't understand his criticism. Where is the problem? An alphabet is just a tool you are using to communicate on the paper.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Meistre is talking nonsense. Our alphabet changed many times. I can proof this.

Old Turkish:

Translation:
When the blue sky above and the brown earth below were created, between them a human being was created. Over the human beings, my ancestors Bumin Kagan and Istemi Kagan ruled. They ruled people by Turkish laws, they led them and succeeded.

Then we used the Arabic alphabet and today we are using the Latin alphabet. I don't understand his criticism. Where is the problem? An alphabet is just a tool you are using to communicate on the paper.

Most modern alphabets are derived from Phonecian which we all know covered present day Lebanon, Syria and Palestine.

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

 

[meistre927]

What about Germany? What about France? Did they develop their own alphabet? Are they also intellectually deficient?

They are all part of the same Western civilization. Europe. Europa. Roman Empire. Etc.

Turks do not belong in Europe. Simple as that.

All alphabets are derived from Levant - or more precisely Phoenician script is the mother of these alphabets. Are you aware of this?

No, they are not.

You can't compare China with Japan. The latter was far ahead of China in 1950. However you can compare China with India as both are about same size and were at about the same level in 1950. Compare the two now to see how well China has done.

We absolutely can.

History did not begin in 1950.

They are both Confucian societies, Oriental societies. With same values, same culture, same or similar racial backgrounds. India is comparable to Pakistan.

So let us ask: Compare where Pakistan was with respect to India in 1980 and where it is now.

And compare where China was in 1980 and where it still is compared to all Oriental countries. Including Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong. Every one of them head and shoulders above China the sh*thole.

If progress is writ in our genes where was Europe in 2000BCE? Or in1000BCE? Or in 500BCE? Or in 1000AD? Don't let the present or recent present fog your thinking?

Europe was on planet Earth in 2000 BCE as much as it is today.

And if Japanese orKoreans or Chinese have high IQ was it on vacation prior to 1900?

Chinese or Japanese or Korean history did not begin in 1900 either. They are much older nations. Maybe that is one reason China was never fully colonized by the West and Japan avoided European colonization. Somethings that can not be said of your country due to its inferior civilizational characteristics.

Much to do with IQ.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Unlike India, Pakistan is realistic. Pakistan acknowledges its shortcoming which encourages the next step to work on the shortcomings. Better than delusional India thinking they are great while frail with toilet issues, rape capital, minority intolerance, genocidal PM with communal party at large, huge poverty and hate propaganda.

In this one rant you have kind of proved the fundamental factor that is keeping Pakistan down and out. It is people like you whose first instinct is to compare to India rather than address the topic which is Pakistan here. For Indians Pakistan is a tiny little side issue - they focus on their economy and development. You guys only worry about somehow saving face in every argument, even at the cost of losing dignity!

 

[Finer]

In this one rant you have kind of proved the fundamental factor that is keeping Pakistan down and out. It is people like you whose first instinct is to compare to India rather than address the topic which is Pakistan here. For Indians Pakistan is a tiny little side issue - they focus on their economy and development. You guys only worry about somehow saving face in every argument, even at the cost of losing dignity!

No offense, but reality shows that it is India that uses Pakistan as benchmark for the success and given the real problems i have earlier continue to fall on deaf ears suggests India as nation prefers to live in the delusional world.

Look at China. It is far more accomplished nation, yet very realistic and modest, and realize it has long way to go.

 

[Articulate]

No offense, but reality shows that it is India that uses Pakistan as benchmark for the success and given the real problems i have earlier continue to fall on deaf ears suggests India as nation prefers to live in the delusional world.

Look at China. It is far more accomplished nation, yet very realistic and modest, and realize it has long way to go.

Not really.
Pakistan is only used in 'feel good' articles.

For the real articles and any serious debate in India, China is used as THE benchmark.

 

[Finer]

Not really.
Pakistan is only used in 'feel good' articles.

For the real articles and any serious debate in India, China is used as THE benchmark.

Good save. That being said, some Indians in the delusion world still think they are world-class, far better than China despite lacking basic necessity in India like toilet for starter.