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When the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban Unite

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Today, they may be on opposite sides of an emerging Afghanistan-Pakistan proxy battle. But come next year, the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban could formally join forces-a jihadist juggernaut with alarming implications for regional stability.

Some analysts warn that if Afghanistan and Pakistan continue to provide sanctuaries to their respective proxies after international troops withdraw from Afghanistan, intensified cross-border attacks could elicit increasingly strong retaliations from the Afghan and Pakistani militaries-and conceivably cause a proxy battle to escalate into full-blown war between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

This Taliban-as-proxy debate may be compelling --but is it convincing? Not really. And that's because the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban are destined to be partners, not rival proxies.

Consider that the two Talibans-which share a desire for Islamic rule under hardline interpretations of Sharia law-are already cooperating operationally in Afghanistan. The TTP recruits, trains, and dispatches fighters to the country from Pakistan's tribal belt. Both Talibansclaimed responsibility for a deadly attack on a CIA base in Afghanistan in 2009.

Such cooperation is long-standing. Many current TTP commanderswere fighting in Afghanistan in the 1990s, and came to Pakistan only after the Taliban regime they helped bring to power in Kabul was overthrown. In 2001, Sufi Mohammad-later a Swat-based TTP leader and father-in-law of Mullah Fazlullah-led fighters into Afghanistan to battle U.S. troops. Baitullah Mehsud, who preceded Hakimullah Mehsud as TTP leader, worked with Afghan fighters as a low-level Haqqani Network commander before helping found the TTP in 2007. In fact, the TTP's original reason for declaring war on Islamabad was the latter's support for the U.S.-led intervention in Afghanistan (the current rationale-the need to overthrow an un-Islamic, pro-democratic, illegitimate Pakistani government-came later).

Another reason to be skeptical about proxy talk is that proxy-patron relationships aren't as strong as often assumed on either side of the Durand Line. Afghan efforts to forge a partnership with the TTP remain fledgling. And the relationship between Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban isn't as cozy as it may seem. Afghan Taliban detainees quoted in a revealing 2012 report prepared by ISAF interrogators show little love for Pakistan: Low-level and high-level detainees alike describe Pakistan as "untrustworthy," "manipulative," "controlling," and "demeaning." They also complain of Pakistan's "willingness to immediately arrest any Taliban personnel deemed uncooperative," and contend that Pakistan has little interest in an end to the war in Afghanistan. This latter allegation, if true, suggests that Pakistan's security establishment could be behind the recent spate of killings of Afghan Taliban leaders (some of whom, to reiterate, were exploring talks with Kabul) on its soil.

The Afghan Taliban's mistrust of its Pakistani patron makes sense; after all, they've previously taken up arms against each other. When he was a Haqqani Network commander, Baitullah Mehsud fought the Pakistani military (no other major branch of the Afghan Taliban is known to have targeted the Pakistani state with force).

In the ISAF report, Taliban detainees express unhappiness about the tight control Pakistan's intelligence agency exerts over them, but conclude that they have little choice but to accept it so long as they require a sanctuary in Pakistan.

Yet this calculus could soon change. With most if not all international troops to be out of Afghanistan by year's end, the resulting security vacuum could give the Afghan Taliban opportunities to re-establish havens there. This suggests that Pakistan-based sanctuaries-a chief source of Pakistan's leverage over the Afghan Taliban-may no longer be necessary, prompting the Afghan Taliban to renounce its relationship with Pakistan and to form a terrifying tag team with the TTP.

Yes, the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban have their differences. Yet at the end of the day, they share the same hardline ideology and use the same violent means to pursue the same destabilizing goals. This suggests that their interests are better served by cooperating than by getting caught up in proxy battles. With Pakistan and Afghanistan either unwilling or unable to tame these two groups, and with international troops leaving Afghanistan, an Afghan-Pakistani Taliban syndicate would make for a formidable and ferocious force in a region already flush with violent fundamentalism.

When the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban Unite
 
Add to the mix Al Qaeda and all the chechens, tajiks and uzbeks. Pakistan is f'ed along with Afg.
 
o_OTTP is already divided and being worn down

Afghan Taliban may be independent but desperately needs to remain on Pakistans good side both them and the Haqqannis have clear objectives and are up shit creek without a paddle without Pakistan


Before the recent negotiations the extent of division amongst the TTP was visible with many commanders and local groups demanding negotiations with the government forcing the anti negotiation current leaders to consent

Get the yanks out of Afghanistan remove the Ttp leadership and direct the cannon fodder towards India
 
o_OTTP is already divided and being worn down

Afghan Taliban may be independent but desperately needs to remain on Pakistans good side both them and the Haqqannis have clear objectives and are up shit creek without a paddle without Pakistan


Before the recent negotiations the extent of division amongst the TTP was visible with many commanders and local groups demanding negotiations with the government forcing the anti negotiation current leaders to consent

Get the yanks out of Afghanistan remove the Ttp leadership and direct the cannon fodder towards India

Nice plan

Butr weren't the major TTP kills almost always credited to the Americans and their drones?

You can direct them against India once you hand over Pakistan to the TTP because that's what they want, and what makes you so sure of victory against a combined TTP/ AT when the whole of NATO came up short against them or so the Pakistani's keep implying?
 
AT has never had intentions against Pakistan, having seen off the combined forces of USA and NATO they intend to take and hold Afghanistan dealing with ANA and northern alliance warlords on the way

AT and Pakistan may not always see eye to eye but Pakistan dosent want collapse of Afghan government just for AT to take care of anti pak war lords and elements including maybe hitting indian targets or economic interests

why or how would AT stop its aim of taking holding all or some of Afghanistan to start a futile war with Pakistan

All or at least 90percent of Ttp killed have been due to Pak intiated or provided intelligence, this meant USA wasted or spent the money, did the work and pak government could sit back and deny blaming the yanks thus misdirecting public or TTP ire

if negotiations don't work, ttp will be hit hard but main aim will be against those anti pak elements with aim to divide the TTP and bring local groups back under control this has already happened in some cases

their will be back lash and collateral damage but nothing can be done

the groups will naturally gravitate to the fight as it were whether it be in Kashmir or Syria
 
I don't think so... things will be different after US withdrawal
 
Add to the mix Al Qaeda and all the chechens, tajiks and uzbeks. Pakistan is f'ed along with Afg.
let not forget that the violence will spill over to India as well, lets hope things never come to that.....:(
 
so both good n bad Taliban r gonna be buddies if they already r not...
 
let not forget that the violence will spill over to India as well, lets hope things never come to that.....:(

It wont since we don't have the fodder .

They will form a semi state constituting of pak and afghan border areas and will fight till they achieve the emirate .
 
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let not forget that the violence will spill over to India as well, lets hope things never come to that.....:(

and Iran and China also - the chinese are worried too.

It wont since we don't have the fodder .

They will form a semi state with constituting of pak and afghan and will fight till they achieve the emirate .

Kashmir will see some action - before it happens, we better make to fences doubly strong.
 
the entire region should come and untie to make sure that this never happens. otherwise the threat is going to spread like a virus and plunge the entire region into choas....

Yes that should be done ASAP, what we are right now doing is just piling up the pressure on Pakistan, while Pakistan itself is a victim too.

Its not serving a purpose because of the ego clash and the terrorists are using the opportunity of the infighting between us to strengthen themselves.
 
Get the yanks out of Afghanistan remove the Ttp leadership and direct the cannon fodder towards India

That does seem like the plan... but sometimes things don't go according to plan. If after the AT win in Afghanistan, and they decide to openly embrace TTP instead of doing it covertly as they are doing now, this Jihadist juggernaut movement might overwhelm Pakistan before moving towards India on the Kashmir front.
 
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