This is a massive double speak. On one hand you try to portray to the world that we are secular and look we don't have these things in our text books, which is incorrect, and on the other hand your security forces kill and carry out massive human right abuses against your minorities.
Who are you guys trying to fool.
This is not double speak. We are secular does not mean that we will allow Indians to start secessionist movements in India. Because we are democratic does not mean we will allow Indians to undermine the entity that is India.
Human right violations occur time and again because we are dealing with movements that are violent in nature mostly. Violence is used to quell insurgencies. Many a times it is politically expedient for the group that was acted against to cry human right violations. A perfect example is Kashmir. While there have been excesses undoubtedly, the scale which Pakistani's and some kashmiri's imply is simply untrue.
The other times, even the security forces are humans - and they do get tired - they act out. In many cases when evidence allows, people who do these crimes are arrested.
You statement is like saying - 'You say America is the richest country in the world, yet you have people begging on the streets.'
Or
'Indians say they are getting richer, but you have x million people who dont even have toilets'
This is about the solid and undeniable trendlines. Which direction the country is moving to.
I have said repeatedly, we are moving towards a more and and more inclusive society. This is something that most Indians see.
And probably the biggest factor contributing to this is sound education. If bigotry is taught in education, no nation will grow tolerant.
Again and again you are telling me, please read NCERT and other official text books, these are not spreading hatred. Yet your own reports clearly mention that they do. Still you blatantly disagree. What a sham.
You
deliberately chose to disregard what i posted in context of the NCERT report.
Let me say it again and hopefully for the last time.
A report by NCERT on the regional books indicates that the biggest national education body was concerned about even what is written in regional books. You had to find a report 14 years old to try and prove your point.
And this is when the national text books of NCERT and ICSE are already checked, double checked and then some more and links have been given for you to read.
You deliberately chose to ignore these points and not go in specifics and instead point out - 'look your books have it too!'
And then there are some apologist so-called Pakistanis join you in trashing their own because of their so-called high moral values. They can't face the world because they don't know their own history and they don't know how to defend it - how would they know how to defend it, when they have no idea what it is.
I am a Pakistani and you can lump it.
Those are not 'so called' high moral values. Those are actual high values. When you teach your children to be communal, guess what? They will grow into being more communal than you.
This is not about trashing their own. There are some mistakes of your policy makers and they want to correct it. Course correction in a nation is very important.
And this is the story of Pakistan. After 70's each decade has only brought more and more communalism and religious intolerance to Pakistan as your books have become more Muslim Oriented.
I gave you an example from what you posted yourself. After the 1857 revolt, you said Indian books dont mention that Muslims suffered. I pointed out that we dont even mention any community like that in many instances of such suffering. It is always 'some Indian communities' or 'Indians' suffered. As pointed out by another member, why should the 1857 revolt be treated as akin to a Muslim jehad against British rule. Why do you have to point out that Muslims suffered? So that kids who are muslims carry some victim mentality and develop some level of hate to other communities?
Why do you have to prove that it was Muslims and ignore others. What message does this give to children?
Why is it a problem in Pakistan, if you teach them each community's contribution without skipping over anything? If at all you have to skip over, then you should skip over the wrong doings of any community on another.
But instead you have books teaching how Hindus and Sikhs killed Muslims in partition but not the other way round.
The fact that you look at everything from a a religious glass and teach your children that, will only lead to a further degradation in Pakistani societal values.
I dont have any issues with you being a Pakistani. Why would i
have to lump it?
I for one have always used the word Indian and never Hindu unless needed. Even Muslims in India, I have referred to as Indian Muslims. And I have seen here that most Pakistanis also use the word Indian and not Hindu unless a particular community needs to be referred as such.
While you maybe an exception. All you need to do is take a look at the many Pakistani's who do call Indians as Hindu's. My personal view and as agreed to by another Pakistani member is that they do it to justify what they have been taught at school - India is Hindu and other communities in India are just used as 'garnishing' by Hindus to fake to the world that India is secular.
I however have seen most of the Indians here talk incessantly about Islamic terrorism and Muslim terrorism and try and make it synonymous with Pakistan.
That is solely due to Pakistan's own leaders and the policies they chose. Nothing to do with us.
Pakistan's own leaders tried to become the ring leaders in global jehad by putting their own kids in the fire. Pakistan has long nurtured these strategic assets. And world see's that most terrorists have some kind of connection to Pakistan. Lets leave it at that.
With time, as now Pakistan has changed those policies, such perceptions will change. It'll take some time.
Much of what you have said does make ample sense and I appreciate it. A lot of work has to go in before realising the intent. And I sincerely hope that it can come true.
Thankyou. I do hope you realize my intent is not to be derogatory or win some points over you. This is simply an exchange of opinions wherein we both benefit.