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What Would a Hypothetical U.S.-Pakistan War Look Like?

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Pakistan SF is in para with rest of the world, and general Pakistan has better infantry than US.

with 200M people and if a call to jihad is raised by the COAS millions of men will be mobilized…it takes 8 weeks to train a conscript soldier..and if at least 5 million are called up it is pretty much game over for the US.

How will 200 millions reach to US for fighting?

Other side, US Navy and Airforce can reach anywhere in the world and can destroyed them... They are called " Super power " And there should be a reason, right?

Even they have capabilities to destroy india..
 
This American Jap is obsessed with Pakistani nukes. His articles are often based on envy and hate against Pak nukes.
 
How will 200 millions reach to US for fighting?

Other side, US Navy and Airforce can reach anywhere in the world and can destroyed them... They are called " Super power " And there should be a reason, right?

Even they have capabilities to destroy india..

There is more to war than just capabilties, tactics, logisitics etc etc.. You don't understand none of that. It is logistically impossible for them to fight on the eastern theatre.. It effects their abilities and would achieve little due to none existing incursion and that is due to logistics. They can't just magically teleport out of thin air from one location to another
 
We are a flat country doubt we could have survived it like the Afghans
 
Ground invasion is impossible and the US knows it. Nobody wants to drown in a sea of armed population. Air or naval campaign risks pushing Pakistan just enough to do something extreme like blowing up regional American bases (multiple) or attacking American allies nearby.

Realistic scenario for US would be sustained economic sanctions combined with psy ops. But that too would also have its limits because this can also push Pakistan to extreme measures beyond a certain point.
 
There is more to war than just capabilties, tactics, logisitics etc etc.. You don't understand none of that. It is logistically impossible for them to fight on the eastern theatre.. It effects their abilities and would achieve little due to none existing incursion and that is due to logistics. They can't just magically teleport out of thin air from one location to another

Who said that they will send the force by land?

Regarding logistics support, US has all kind of required support by air and water.

Just think that 24 submarines with 24 tripped nuclear missiles each borad are reaching to near by and safe distance from Pakistani water....

What other options left for any country including Pakistan? Submarines with 200+ nuclear missiles?

No way, no chance.. There is a reason to called them " Super power".

I said that they hit so hard with the power, you will have only one option to left.... Surrender.

Germany and Japan did the same during the war. Finally, you want that peope of your country should be survived..
 
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Who said that they will send the force?

I said that they hit so hard with the power, you will have only one option to left.... Surrender.

Germany and Japan did same during the war. Finally, you want that peope of your country should survive..

This is ain't Japan nor Germany.. They will have to engage conventionally. Pakistan is large by territory you can't hammer it enough.. If you can't engage conventionally there is not much to achieve plus Pakistan can sink their navy at will including carriers
 
This is ain't Japan nor Germany.. They will have to engage conventionally. Pakistan is large by territory you can't hammer it enough.. If you can't engage conventionally there is not much to achieve plus Pakistan can sink their navy at will including carriers

Are you sure? Suggest you - please asked to your defense experts please.
 
Ground invasion is impossible and the US knows it. Nobody wants to drown in a sea of armed population. Air or naval campaign risks pushing Pakistan just enough to do something extreme like blowing up regional American bases (multiple) or attacking American allies nearby.

Realistic scenario for US would be sustained economic sanctions combined with psy ops. But that too would also have its limits because this can also push Pakistan to extreme measures beyond a certain point.
Sea of armed population? Mere thugs and target killers turned streets of Karachi into their play ground some years ago. I did not see people of Karachi put up much of a fight on the streets to discourage target killers. How will they fight an army? Smaller population bases would fare even worse.

Heavily armed troops on one side, groups like BLA and TTP would wreck havoc as well.

Be thankful to Allah Almighty that Pakistan never experienced the nightmare that Iraq had been through. Pakistan had much better Foreign Policy than Iraq among other countries. It is just that some people get carried away in their criticism of past policies.
 
If this scenario was to materialise it would have happened when the US and Allies had over 100000 troops in Afghanistan. Attacking a nuclear armed country is a highly risky undertaking and no sane person could or would make that decision. Our only threat and weakness is within and the traitors amongst our midst who sell out the people for money.
US will simply sanction pakistan
People will buckle under force of lack of imported cheese and brands and viola there u go
 
Sea of armed population? Mere thugs and target killers turned streets of Karachi into their play ground some years ago. I did not see people of Karachi put up much of a fight on the streets to discourage target killers. How will they fight an army? Smaller population bases would fare even worse.

Heavily armed troops on one side, groups like BLA and TTP would wreck havoc as well.

Be thankful to Allah Almighty that Pakistan never experienced the nightmare that Iraq had been through. Pakistan had much better Foreign Policy than Iraq among other countries. It is just that some people get carried away in their criticism of past policies.

There is a difference between thugs & target killers vs an invading force. thugs and target killers don't wear uniforms. Another thing is that these thugs and target killers look like you and me, while the US military will not be so able to hide among the general population.

Now i am not saying that Pakistan will win that war, however the US victory will be extremely costly and the occupation of 220Mil people majority of whom are young and with vast reserves of weapons available, it will not be a walk in the park.

If it was easy to occupy Pakistan, then India would have done it by now.
 
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What Would a Hypothetical U.S.-Pakistan War Look Like?
One word: Hell.

by Kyle Mizokami

In the U.S. television series Homeland, the United States and Pakistan are brought to the brink of war. In real life, the two countries are allies, albeit strained ones at that, and many Americans believe Islamabad often actively works against Washington’s interests. If the relationship turned poisonous, how would the United States prosecute a war against Pakistan?

In order to proceed, let’s sketch out two war scenarios. In one, we’ll assume that the United States is pursuing an air-only campaign, in order to punish the country or strip it of some vital capability—nuclear weapons being a prime example. In the second scenario, the United States seeks to topple the country’s government entirely, including the occupation of the capital, Islamabad.

A prolonged U.S. air campaign would be a difficult proposition. Unlike past campaigns against Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, and Afghanistan, Washington would find regional allies who could provide air bases a difficult proposition. Pakistan enjoys warm relations with most of the Sunni states, particularly the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, both of whom have air bases capable of hosting U.S. tactical aircraft, as well as Saudi Arabia and Oman.

A U.S. air campaign directed against Pakistan would largely consist of bomber, carrier, and cruise missiles strikes. Strategic bombers, including the B-1, B-2, and B-52 would conduct strikes from the continental United States and the American base on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. Only these aircraft have the range to strike targets in Pakistan from friendly bases. Depending on the level of international support, long-range bombers could also launch from the United Kingdom, including RAF Fairford, improving sortie rates.

The U.S. Navy would play a major role. U.S. forces would neutralize the relatively weak Pakistani Navy. While the Pakistani Navy operates about one hundred ships, it has only a handful of surface combatants of frigate size or larger, and just five aging diesel-electric submarines. Once these are neutralized the U.S. Navy could bring its aircraft carriers closer to the coastline, conducting airstrikes against military targets. Surface warships and nuclear-powered attack submarines would contribute by launching swarms of Tomahawk land-attack cruise missiles against highly defended targets.

An air campaign against Pakistan would be slower and more fraught with difficulty than past campaigns. Pakistan’s Air Force has nearly four hundred fighters, including American F-16 Fighting Falcons, and would need to be quickly destroyed. U.S. Navy and Air Force aircraft could see their first significant air to air combat since the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

An all-out invasion of Pakistan would be much more difficult, bordering on impractical. An invasion would require securing the city of Karachi, a coastal city of 14 million, then a march upcountry of approximately 700 miles. Securing Karachi alone would be an immense effort dwarfing efforts to secure Baghdad in the late 2000s, one that required more than 100,000 U.S. troops and the cooperation of local militias.

The Pakistani Army consists of nearly 800,000 active-duty personnel, with significant reserves totaling more than a half-million. Much if not most of this force is arrayed against the border with India, but the U.S. invasion route would actually pass through many of Pakistan’s forward-deployed forces. While U.S. forces would be qualitatively superior, it would be a grinding fight that could be interrupted at any time by Pakistani nuclear weapons.

Of course, there is one regional power that can provide everything the U.S. needs, including local air bases and a large army, navy, and air force, already positioned in the theater with well-sketched battle plans: India. India could help with an air campaign, providing runways for U.S. fighter bombers to operate from, or even contribute its own airpower. Indian ground forces have a far shorter route to Islamabad and overmatch Pakistani forces on the ground.

The question is whether or not India would join a U.S.-led coalition against Pakistan. India has seldom cooperated with the United States in military operations, declining to send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, among others. India’s cooperation would largely depend on the circumstance, the most likely being the U.S. joining an Indian-led coalition against Pakistan.

Another power that could join such a conflict is China. China and Pakistan enjoy warm relations, and the rhetoric between the two countries suggests a relationship nearing that of a mutual defense pact. But it isn’t, and it’s not clear that China would risk direct conflict with the United States if Pakistan in some way overreached. China might, on the assumption that a U.S. puppet state in neighboring Pakistan would diminish China’s power and influence abroad. It’s worth remembering that the last time Chinese forces fought Americans was after the U.S.-led United Nations forces advanced into a state neighboring Beijing.

A U.S. war with Pakistan would be extremely difficult to wage and fraught with difficulty. It would also be forced to proceed under the assumption that some Pakistani nuclear weapons would survive a sustained effort to destroy them, to be used against U.S. forces or targets in some way later in the campaign. This is the sort of uncertainty that can veto military action and makes a war between Washington and Islamabad an absolute conflict of last resort.

Source: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-would-hypothetical-us-pakistan-war-look-141072
A lot of İndians will get to drink some 1st class chai.
 
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@LeGenD this a pointless thread. We all know if US tries anything like this India would directly face our nukes so as not to tip the balance to Far East. As for a ground invasion Baluchistan is a weakness but Sindh and Punjab good luck.

The US is the reason why Pakistan has done what it has in Afghan and other areas. I don’t blame them for this either. As for civilians armed we have enough arms within our nation to fight, and this is reason why I don’t believe in family planning bull shit. You have low population the replacement is negative during large scale conflict.
 
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It is easy if India provides ground forces to USA

NO, it is almost impossible.

By land, it is not possible... but does anyone wants a situation like Iraq WAR or a situation like Afghanistan?

WAR Victory does not mean only to occupied land. They will block everything and destroy power houses, water supply and make living life hell.

The US was not able to win in Afghanistan by land, Surely they will not be able to fight on the land... But they are capable to make your life hell.
 
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It is easy if India provides ground forces to USA

it will still not be that easy. Do you know when was the last time US fought a well trained and well equipped professional military? No it wasn't Iraq as majority of their military consisted of conscripts. It wasn't Vietnam, it wasn't even Korea. It was back in WW2. Also US has never invaded a country as large as Pakistan both in terms of size and population. Just the sheer amount of troops that will be required for such an expedition is unfathomable.

So personally i reckon in worst case scenario all US will do it fire missiles and air war, there will never be any boots on the ground even if they have bases in India. Instead the chances are they will send Indians in as foot soldiers with US air cover.
 
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