What should Russia do if the US builds tens of millions of TOW

[Superboy]

BETTER NOT ASSUME! Detection range: > 10 km (i.e. you can park them outside ATGW range and still detect incoming mortar rounds, at least for mortars of 50mm (range under 1 km), 60mm (range 2-4 km) ), 81/82mm (range 6km) and 120mm (8km using normal projectiles, not rocket assisted rounds))

They are manportable (it weighs 68kg and can be disassembled or assembled by 2 soldiers in 20 minutes)

And can be vehicle mounted as well

Specifications
• Operating frequency: L-Band
• Detection range: > 10 km
• Point of origin accuracy: 75 m at 5 km
• Azimuth coverage: 360°
• Elevation coverage: 0 - 30°
• System weight: 68 kg / 150 lb
• System size: 1.25m / 4 ft diameter by 1.25m / 4 ft high
• Power requirements: 1,200 W,
110/240 VAC 50/60 Hz, 24 VDC

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The latest Kornet has range 10 km, outside the detection range of counter mortar radars. Plus, these radars are only good at detecting mortar rounds. They are essentially useless against ATGMs which fly very low. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone creeps up within 3 km of radars and destroys them using PTRD which have 3 km range

9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PTRD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Penguin]

The latest Kornet has range 10 km, outside the detection range of counter mortar radars. Plus, these radars are only good at detecting mortar rounds. They are essentially useless against ATGMs which fly very low. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone creeps up within 3 km of radars and destroy them using PTRD which have 3 km range

9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PTRD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, well, you would still need to find the target first. And have line of sight. As for the rest of your point: blah blah blah.

Analysis of contemporary armed conflicts, states that areas with desert-plain-minded terrain in the foothills at the location on the commanding heights, and in the broad plains, located between the mountains, the objectives can be observed at a distance of 10-15 km. It is necessary to recognize that the introduction of the advantages of terrain during combat operations is a key criterion for successful warfare. That's why for the above types of terrain there will always be situations in which there will be the ability to detect targets at large distances (more than 5 km). Following this SUE "PCU" considered that the weapons, including anti-tank systems must provide the firing range at very probable distance. It would inflict damage before joining the fire contact the main forces to organize an ambush with no connection to the next battle. In the solution of the puzzles do not have to worsen other properties of the complex: the power of the impact on the target, accuracy, weight and size of the property.
Constructors ATGM "Kornet-EM" coped with this task. By improving the management of the complex, automatic target tracking and engines guided missiles firing range complex PTRU with shaped-charge warhead was brought up to 8 km, and for missiles with high-explosive warhead of up to 10 km. With all this accuracy complex "Kornet-EM" on the largest distance is superior accuracy "Kornet-E" at a distance of 5 km, while maintaining all the dimensions and characteristics of the missile to connect the complex to ensure their comparability.

Kornet-EM: a new step in the development of anti-missile systems | Encyclopedia of safety
I.e. only usefull in a certain kind of terrain (not typical of Ukraine)

KBP Instrument Design Bureau - Automatic launcher on carriers

As for KORNET-EM, it has only been sold to Bahrain. First ordered August 2014 (i.e. not yet in service)
Bahrain orders latest Kornet ATGW - IHS Jane's 360
9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Superboy]

Yeah, well, you would still need to find the target first. And have line of sight. As for the rest of your point: blah blah blah.


Kornet-EM: a new step in the development of anti-missile systems | Encyclopedia of safety
I.e. only usfull in certain terrain (not typical of Ukraine)

KBP Instrument Design Bureau - Automatic launcher on carriers

As for KORNET-EM, it has only been sold to Bahrain.
Bahrain orders latest Kornet ATGW - IHS Jane's 360
9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both sides use octocopter drones for recon. Russia can supply Kornet EM to rebels free of charge. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, radar can be jammed or detected using passive sensor and are vulnerable to high speed anti radiation missiles.

 

[Penguin]

Both sides use octocopter drones for recon. Russia can supply Kornet EM to rebels free of charge. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, radar can be jammed or detected using passive sensor and are vulnerable to high speed anti radiation missiles.

Couldawouldashoulda.

No, you don't shoot HARM at a mortar locating radar (you use it to take out air defences). And the forces opposing government forces of the Ukraine do not have these (with the exception of the Russian, and they aren't involved are they? Which also precludes them from delivering a top of the line system tot a non-recognized government, let alone for free....).

As for octocopter...

Are you done now?

 

[Superboy]

Rebels have better radars. Detection range 40 km

New SNAR-10M1 1RL232-2M battlefield surveillance radar unveiled at Oboronexpo 2014 in Russia 1408145Â -Â Army Recognition

Couldawouldashoulda.

No, you don't shoot HARM at a mortar locating radar (you use it to take out air defences). And the forces opposing government forces of the Ukraine do not have these (with the exception of the Russian, and they aren't involved are they? Which also precludes them from delivering a top of the line system tot a non-recognized government, let alone for free....).

As for octocopter...

Are you done now?

The US gives for free. Rebels are ethnic Russians, so why shouldn't Russia give for free?

 

[Skull and Bones]

Both sides use octocopter drones for recon. Russia can supply Kornet EM to rebels free of charge. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, radar can be jammed or detected using passive sensor and are vulnerable to high speed anti radiation missiles.

Passive radars can detect the presence of radio wave emitter, but very inefficient to detect the position of radar.

 

[Penguin]

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Rebels have better radars. Detection range 40 km

New SNAR-10M1 1RL232-2M battlefield surveillance radar unveiled at Oboronexpo 2014 in Russia 1408145Â -Â Army Recognition




The US gives for free. Rebels are ethnic Russians, so why shouldn't Russia give for free?

Who said that An/tpq-48a is the only mortar locating radar in Ukrainian service?

So what, if a modernized Stanitsiya Nazemnoi Artilleriy Radiolokatsionnaya 10 with 40km range exists. The original SNART-10 / 1RL-127 ("BIG FRED") Ground surveillance radar had a range of just 16km, only the modernized version has 40km. Who says 'rebels' have the new, modernized SNAR-10M1 (unveiled only in August 2014), or even old, Soviet era SNAR-10 introduced in 1982? The question is not 'why shouldn't Russia give?' , rather it is 'has Russia actually given?'! Given it was standard Warsaw pact gear, no doubt Ukraine still operates some ARK, SNAR-10. Zoopark.

orbat.com/site/almanac/2004/Ukraine2004.pdf
ipernity: SNAR-10 Ukraine October 2004 - by Cold War Warriors

 

[Superboy]

Who said that An/tpq-48a is the only mortar locating radar in Ukrainian service?
So what, if a modernized SNAR10 with 40km range exists. The original SNART-10 / 1RL-127 ("BIG FRED") Ground surveillance radar had a range of just 16km, only the modernized version has 40km. Who says 'rebels' have SNAR-10M1 (unveiled in 2014), or even SNAR-10? The question is not 'why shouldn't Russia give?' , rather it is 'has Russia actually given?'!

Rebels got BTR-82A and T-72B3 back in August and these are 2014 weapons. Says who Russia doesn't give new weapons to rebels?

 

[Schutz]

Superboy why are you so deluded in every post, if you think that anyone has weapons better than Americans in almost any regard then you are truly deluded, the biggest military budget by a huge margin generally means that no one is coming close to your tech,
A war involving the US and its equipment is not like in Syria when you see some FSA with a kornet shooting at a stationary BMP-1 1km away, a kornet has its uses when fighting 3rd world armies but nothing modern. In a desert type of battle you can probably take out a few tanks then thats about it, people using ATGM are usually struck back 20 times harder within a minute.

 

[Superboy]

Superboy why are you so deluded in every post, if you think that anyone has weapons better than Americans in almost any regard then you are truly deluded, the biggest military budget by a huge margin generally means that no one is coming close to your tech,
A war involving the US and its equipment is not like in Syria when you see some FSA with a kornet shooting at a stationary BMP-1 1km away, a kornet has its uses when fighting 3rd world armies but nothing modern. In a desert type of battle you can probably take out a few tanks then thats about it, people using ATGM are usually struck back 20 times harder within a minute.

You are delusional. You still think the US is the same superpower as it was in the 1980s. Not anymore pal. Not anymore.

 

[Penguin]

Rebels got BTR-82A and T-72B3 back in August and these are 2014 weapons. Says who Russia doesn't give new weapons to rebels?

The BTR-82A is an upgraded version of the BTR-80A. In April 2010, Russian defence industry has started to market the BTR-82 and BTR-82A as a modernization program for existing BTR-80 operators. Country users: Russia, Kazakhstan
BTR-82A armoured infantry fighting vehicle technical data sheet specifications description pictures - Army Recognition - Army Recognition

BTR-80A (GAZ-59034) - In production and service since 1994
BTR-80 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

T-72B3 modernization dates from 2012. Russia first obtained in 2013 270 T-72B3 with additional 143 units delivered as of October 2014. The T-72B3 is a development of the standard Russian-made T-72B series currently in service in the Russian army. Russia first accepted the T-72B in 1985 and mass-produced it since 1988.

The point is not whether Russia gives new weapons, but rather whether is gives the specifics radars you mentioned. And it don't seem that way:

In November, Armament Research Services published a detailed report on arms used by both sides of conflict, documenting a number of "flag items". Among vehicles they documented presence of T-72B Model 1989 and T-72B3 tanks, armoured vehicles of models BTR-82AM, MT-LB 6MA, MT-LBVM, and MT-LBVMK, and an Orlan-10 drone and 1RL239 radar vehicle. Among the ammunition, they documented 9K38 Igla (date of manufacture 2014), ASVK rifle (2012), RPG-18 rocket launchers (2011), 95Ya6 rocket boosters (2009) MRO-A (2008), 9K135 Kornet anti-tank weapons (2007), PPZR Grom (2007), MON-50 (2002), RPO-A (2002), PKP (2001), OG-7 (2001), and VSS rifles (1987). These weapons, mostly manufactured in Russia, were seen in the zone of conflict used by pro-Russian separatists, but never "were in the Ukrainian government inventory prior to the outbreak of hostilities". The report also points to an interesting case of the PPZR Grom MANPADs that are produced in Poland and were never exported to Ukraine. They were however exported to Georgia in 2007 and subsequently captured by Russian army during the Russian-Georgian War 2008.[229]

2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ARK-1 (artilleriskiy radiolokatsionnyi kompleks) - mobile H-band artillery locating radar 1RL-239 with a detection range of 15 km (howitzers) to 40 km (tactical missiles). Usually found in the division's recce battery.

 

[Superboy]

The BTR-82A is an upgraded version of the BTR-80A. In April 2010, Russian defence industry has started to market the BTR-82 and BTR-82A as a modernization program for existing BTR-80 operators. Country users: Russia, Kazakhstan
BTR-82A armoured infantry fighting vehicle technical data sheet specifications description pictures - Army Recognition - Army Recognition

BTR-80A (GAZ-59034) - In production and service since 1994
BTR-80 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

T-72B3 modernization dates from 2012. Russia first obtained in 2013 270 T-72B3 with additional 143 units delivered as of October 2014. The T-72B3 is a development of the standard Russian-made T-72B series currently in service in the Russian army. Russia first accepted the T-72B in 1985 and mass-produced it since 1988.

The point is not whether Russia gives new weapons, but rather whether is gives the specifics radars you mentioned. And it don't seem that way:

2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ARK-1 (artilleriskiy radiolokatsionnyi kompleks) - mobile H-band artillery locating radar 1RL-239 with a detection range of 15 km (howitzers) to 40 km (tactical missiles). Usually found in the division's recce battery.

Both BTR-82A and T-72B3 became operational in 2014. These are new weapons.

 

[Penguin]

Both BTR-82A and T-72B3 became operational in 2014. These are new weapons.

You are misinformed.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Well much noisance about nothing . I wonder well you detect the mortars or atgm now what you want to do with them .
And don't forget that these things are mobile.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Well much noisance about nothing . I wonder well you detect the mortars or atgm now what you want to do with them .
And don't forget that these things are mobile.