What makes a good daughter-in-law

[abdulbarijan]

Yes in equality it is not his responsibility to provide for her. In equality both men and women share expenses- equally or whatever they have agreed upon. And under principles of equality it is his wifes right to have her own house , and she is under no obligation to cook for her husband and take care of his parents. she can act fully rude and inflexible by demanding a seperate house even if her husbands parents are ailing and old. And in that new setup she will also share costs of her house. See the difference between our duaghter in laws and white peoples daughter in laws. Their dils are not bad but they are never as considerate and courteous in taking care of in laws as our women do.
Btw even islamically no woman is under any compulsion to not go out and be financially independent.

Do you not see the contradiction in your own narrative right here? As a matter of general rule, rights and responsibilities occur in a dichotomy. In an equal/egalitarian society, If it’s not his responsibility to provide for her … How does he owe her in terms of a "right” to her own house while there is literally no authority in terms of legal, social or structural to enforce that right?
To put it simply, under a society with equality, there is no such thing as a 'right to a separate accommodation". The woman who herself chose to date or marry a guy who was living in his parent's basement has to face the fruits and consequences of her choices.
In fact westerners usually start dating by the time their 15, how many 15 year olds do you see having a separate accommodation? Do the girlfriends go out and demand that the boyfriend give such, such and such to her? No, the smart ones save till they are 18,19,20 and move out themselves … it’s not a right-responsibility dichotomy for them to begin with, it’s about their choice.

Lastly, you have no arguments left anywhere , you have been beating about the bush for over 5-6 pages. I do not even know what do you want to argue over,? you throw one argument the other person counters it,you nitpick something else , when replied to it you further break it down into so many parts that it loses any sense. This is exactly what verve had been doing too.
Sexism has nothing to do with egalitarian or whatever such societies , it just means biasedness based on gender. If you think that term should only be restricted for western societies , tho that is not the case, then fine we can use another expression in its place and that is callled gender-bias. Now you will pick this expression and nitpick further into it about this and that scenario, which would not mean anything.
1.) I called you sexist because i would see you with loads of complaints about almost everything in almost every thread related to women. .

• “You have no arguments left anywhere” … LOL! … That’s coming from someone who, when called out on his ‘proof’ (examples of 2 threads) decided to tuck his little tail between his legs and run for the hills like there is no tomorrow. Regarding sexism, again, how do say that the societies who have rooted equality in their frameworks, or movements that argue for, and produce scholarly work regarding equality … have nothing to do with the concept?
  
  
• Secondly, are you seriously making the claim, that someone who voices his opinion and actually calls out sexism in threads that are gender related … is sexist? I mean I’m asking because I can’t believe that, after all these posts, that pathetic excuse of a statement is still your argument. If you had your way, the women in the suffrage movement were sexists because they were complaining about sexism, and demanding equal rights. The blacks in the civil rights movement were racists because they were continuously speaking for black rights and advocating for equality by voicing their opinions. News flash, It’s the nature of the opinion that determines if something is sexist/ racist etc. not the fact that your voicing it in concerned forums.
  
  
• As far as my arguments are concerned, go read the entire thread. You come in mid-thread and expect that everyone gives you a detailed history of what everyone argued for, for about 37 pages? As far as breaking down arguments, is it our fault that you can’t keep up?
  
  
• Coming to nitpicking, give an example so I can call you out again.As a general rule, I argue from an observer’s point of view that means you argue from a point of view, where you can challenge members who argue for something based on religious arguments, by religious arguments (which BTW I don’t do often because members here tend to be young, and cross boundaries that are not supposed to be crossed). Similarly, you can argue on the basis of arguments, other than religion e.g. in this case equality/ economics, using the same framework. Lastly, when your mentioning people or arguing against them in public, have the decency to quote or tag them.

@Verve -- here's a gift for ya

you throw one argument the other person counters it,you nitpick something else , when replied to it you further break it down into so many parts that it loses any sense. This is exactly what verve had been doing too.

 

[Lagay Raho]

ye sara par kar to damag ki dahi ban gayi hy - apka stamina bohat hy bhai @abdulbarijan

 

[Verve]

@Verve -- here's a gift for ya

It's a futile 'versus' debate

 

[Ocean]

Do you not see the contradiction in your own narrative right here? As a matter of general rule, rights and responsibilities occur in a dichotomy. In an equal/egalitarian society, If it’s not his responsibility to provide for her … How does he owe her in terms of a "right” to her own house while there is literally no authority in terms of legal, social or structural to enforce that right?
To put it simply, under a society with equality, there is no such thing as a 'right to a separate accommodation". The woman who herself chose to date or marry a guy who was living in his parent's basement has to face the fruits and consequences of her choices.
In fact westerners usually start dating by the time their 15, how many 15 year olds do you see having a separate accommodation? Do the girlfriends go out and demand that the boyfriend give such, such and such to her? No, the smart ones save till they are 18,19,20 and move out themselves … it’s not a right-responsibility dichotomy for them to begin with, it’s about their choice.

• “You have no arguments left anywhere” … LOL! … That’s coming from someone who, when called out on his ‘proof’ (examples of 2 threads) decided to tuck his little tail between his legs and run for the hills like there is no tomorrow. Regarding sexism, again, how do say that the societies who have rooted equality in their frameworks, or movements that argue for, and produce scholarly work regarding equality … have nothing to do with the concept?
  
  
• Secondly, are you seriously making the claim, that someone who voices his opinion and actually calls out sexism in threads that are gender related … is sexist? I mean I’m asking because I can’t believe that, after all these posts, that pathetic excuse of a statement is still your argument. If you had your way, the women in the suffrage movement were sexists because they were complaining about sexism, and demanding equal rights. The blacks in the civil rights movement were racists because they were continuously speaking for black rights and advocating for equality by voicing their opinions. News flash, It’s the nature of the opinion that determines if something is sexist/ racist etc. not the fact that your voicing it in concerned forums.
  
• As far as my arguments are concerned, go read the entire thread. You come in mid-thread and expect that everyone gives you a detailed history of what everyone argued for, for about 37 pages? As far as breaking down arguments, is it our fault that you can’t keep up?
  
  
• Coming to nitpicking, give an example so I can call you out again.As a general rule, I argue from an observer’s point of view that means you argue from a point of view, where you can challenge members who argue for something based on religious arguments, by religious arguments (which BTW I don’t do often because members here tend to be young, and cross boundaries that are not supposed to be crossed). Similarly, you can argue on the basis of arguments, other than religion e.g. in this case equality/ economics, using the same framework. Lastly, when your mentioning people or arguing against them in public, have the decency to quote or tag them.

@Verve -- here's a gift for ya

If brains with good comprehensions skills grew on trees,i owould have gifted you one ,sprinkled with some good manners and common sense.

Enjoy your day.

 

[abdulbarijan]

If brains with good comprehensions skills grew on trees,i owould have gifted you one ,sprinkled with some good manners and common sense.

Enjoy your day.

• Don't talk about comprehension skills, when you yourself need to have to be explained simple concepts, a few times before you ... oh thats right ... you don't get them even then.
  
  
• Don't talk about manners when you yourself are the one who started this by hurling insults towards me.
  
  
• Don't talk about common sense when your reasoning to label me a sexist was "I found you complaining alot on threads related to women"
  
  
• As far as if "brains grew on trees", I'm pretty sure you'd still be the same, because you'd need one to get one.
  
  
• Lastly, for someone who thinks arguments are just a win-lose thing for me .... you sure love to reply with big speeches (without much matter and thought I might add) for someone who said that you'd rather not spend an iota of time on me and my arguments. Projection much ...
  
  Anyways, Eid Mubarak and have a nice day yourself ...

 

[Ocean]

• Don't talk about comprehension skills, when you yourself need to have to be explained simple concepts, a few times before you ... oh thats right ... you don't get them even then.
  
  
• Don't talk about manners when you yourself are the one who started this by hurling insults towards me.
  
  
• Don't talk about common sense when your reasoning to label me a sexist was "I found you complaining alot on threads related to women"
  
  
• As far as if "brains grew on trees", I'm pretty sure you'd still be the same, because you'd need one to get one.
  
  
• Lastly, for someone who thinks arguments are just a win-lose thing for me .... you sure love to reply with big speeches (without much matter and thought I might add) for someone who said that you'd rather not spend an iota of time on me and my arguments. Projection much ...
  
  Anyways, Eid Mubarak and have a nice day yourself ...

Eid mubarak