what is solution for political crisis between administration and judiciary

[ziaulislam]

i dont support any party..this thread is not about politics but about how to finish current stand off between PMLN and judiciary

first this isnt going anywhere, we are kind a stuck here..per Gallop polls, by polls, even though PTI is all time high its still not famous enough to get votes in sindh or punjab....PMLN will still win in Punjab and form govt again..

how long can this crisis continue between judiciary and parliament..?

every Pakistani knows that if we do very tight (imran khan style) accountability than obliviously every one will end up in jail, this cannot be done as people dont want this level of accountability..?

so whats the solution...?

PMLN thinks the solution is in legislation to limit judiciary power(Talal chaudary)..but what if judiciary throw out such rules, bureaucracy has refused orders, what if police refuse orders..what will happen..so who is going to implement orders..will we become a bigger laughing stock in country like Afghanistan where governor refuses to go down?

will army be asked? but what if army say this is not our job(which is right), people are going to support their leaders, so will judiciary be forcefully taken down by police on orders of parliament?

will nehal hashmi warning make judicary back off ? afterall they should be worried about their salary as well..

or will the rare event happen and people of Pakistan/civil society support judiciary?

 

[ziaulislam]

 

[Tameem]

i dont support any party..this thread is not about politics but about how to finish current stand off between PMLN and judiciary

first this isnt going anywhere, we are kind a stuck here..per Gallop polls, by polls, even though PTI is all time high its still not famous enough to get votes in sindh or punjab....PMLN will still win in Punjab and form govt again..

how long can this crisis continue between judiciary and parliament..?

every Pakistani knows that if we do very tight (imran khan style) accountability than obliviously every one will end up in jail, this cannot be done as people dont want this level of accountability..?

so whats the solution...?

PMLN thinks the solution is in legislation to limit judiciary power(Talal chaudary)..but what if judiciary throw out such rules, bureaucracy has refused orders, what if police refuse orders..what will happen..so who is going to implement orders..will we become a bigger laughing stock in country like Afghanistan where governor refuses to go down?

will army be asked? but what if army say this is not our job(which is right), people are going to support their leaders, so will judiciary be forcefully taken down by police on orders of parliament?

will nehal hashmi warning make judicary back off ? afterall they should be worried about their salary as well..

or will the rare event happen and people of Pakistan/civil society support judiciary?

For an honest debate, first you need correct the basics, either you intentionally ignore or hiding criminally.
This is not the fight between PMLN with Judiciary but with Establishment the Military Establishment to be precise.
If one doesn't acknowledge this fact, there is no need to dwells further on this argument.

 

[ziaulislam]

For an honest debate, first you need correct the basics, either you intentionally ignore or hiding criminally.
This is not the fight between PMLN with Judiciary but with Establishment the Military Establishment to be precise.
If one doesn't acknowledge this fact, there is no need to dwells further on this argument.

sir, no conspiracy theories
will only talk about facts, its a fact that PMLN and all political parties(even PTI) has been involved in corruption, PMLN refuse to accept judiciary decisions so we are stuck

do you intend to say that all such allegations are false against PMLN and that its a push from establishment?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Nawaz Sharif will attempt to cause in fighting within the judiciary imo. I think he did the same thing with the army in 1999. I don't know the details though.

 

[Tameem]

sir, no conspiracy theories
will only talk about facts, its a fact that PMLN and all political parties(even PTI) has been involved in corruption, PMLN refuse to accept judiciary decisions so we are stuck

do you intend to say that all such allegations are false against PMLN and that its a push from establishment?

You want selective discussion on Judiciary vs PMLN. A visible confrontation to disguise from the real problem lies elsewhere. What i stated is the crux of the matter else all optics.

 

[ziaulislam]

You want selective discussion on Judiciary vs PMLN. A visible confrontation to disguise from the real problem lies elsewhere. What i stated is the crux of the matter else all optics.

can you explain, who the establishment is..in medicine i call this "displacement disorder" blaming everyone else...
you think that a hidden hand is forcing judiciary to lie about PMLN, isnt this exactly what PML N is saying

i would have understood your point if Mr Nawaz sharif and maryam nawaz were clearly people of middle class but having properties of billion of dollars it doesnt make sense to me, i mean my father is grade 22 officer, he cannot afford a corrola how come maryam nawaz afford a BMW that is registered as a honda

 

[Tameem]

can you explain, who the establishment is..in medicine i call this "displacement disorder" blaming everyone else...
you think that a hidden hand is forcing judiciary to lie about PMLN, isnt this exactly what PML N is saying

i would have understood your point if Mr Nawaz sharif and maryam nawaz were clearly people of middle class but having properties of billion of dollars it doesnt make sense to me, i mean my father is grade 22 officer, he cannot afford a corrola how come maryam nawaz afford a BMW that is registered as a honda

Again, you are turning towards optics; Corruption, which by yourself admits does by everyone from a street cobbler to a security colonel. This is not the issue for ordinary public which are more wise and see things beyond mirrors. Establishment with IK&Co drumming it past 8 years from all rooftops and see where they ending up finally....Lodhran.

The Issue, my dear Zia here is "Authority". PMLN asking of it to exercise independently what its given in the Pakistani Constitution and denied by the ME continously for past 70 years to civilians. This cannot be more simple from that.

 

[Zibago]

Nawaz Sharif will attempt to cause in fighting within the judiciary imo. I think he did the same thing with the army in 1999. I don't know the details though.

The end of sharifs is near elections or not their forgery was exposed brutally they have nothing going on in their favour they should pray Ahed Cheema keeps his mouth shut about burning of records and Multan metro

 

[WaLeEdK2]

The end of sharifs is near elections or not their forgery was exposed brutally they have nothing going on in their favour they should pray Ahed Cheema keeps his mouth shut about burning of records and Multan metro

the show is only starting abid boxer is gonna start talking too soon.

 

[PakSword]

i dont support any party..this thread is not about politics but about how to finish current stand off between PMLN and judiciary

first this isnt going anywhere, we are kind a stuck here..per Gallop polls, by polls, even though PTI is all time high its still not famous enough to get votes in sindh or punjab....PMLN will still win in Punjab and form govt again..

how long can this crisis continue between judiciary and parliament..?

every Pakistani knows that if we do very tight (imran khan style) accountability than obliviously every one will end up in jail, this cannot be done as people dont want this level of accountability..?

so whats the solution...?

PMLN thinks the solution is in legislation to limit judiciary power(Talal chaudary)..but what if judiciary throw out such rules, bureaucracy has refused orders, what if police refuse orders..what will happen..so who is going to implement orders..will we become a bigger laughing stock in country like Afghanistan where governor refuses to go down?

will army be asked? but what if army say this is not our job(which is right), people are going to support their leaders, so will judiciary be forcefully taken down by police on orders of parliament?

will nehal hashmi warning make judicary back off ? afterall they should be worried about their salary as well..

or will the rare event happen and people of Pakistan/civil society support judiciary?

Add an option "send shareefs to jail where they truly belong" and then i will vote

 

[Zibago]

Again, you are turning towards optics; Corruption, which by yourself admits does by everyone from a street cobbler to a security colonel. This is not the issue for ordinary public which are more wise and see things beyond mirrors. Establishment with IK&Co drumming it past 8 years from all rooftops and see where they ending up finally....in Lodhran.

The Issue, my dear Zia here is "Authority". PMLN asking of it to exercise independently what its given in the Pakistani Constitution and denied by the ME continously for past 70 years to civilians. This cannot be more simple from that.

You have no proof of that ME(which always supported Nawaz btw except for during Musharaf rule) this scandal was exposed not by Pakistanis or by army
Be it USA or Pakistan or any other country when court resists corrupt regimes its paid dishonest touts lash out against the courts

the show is only starting abid boxer is gonna start talking too soon.

They conveniently ignored the statement of Redly where he said dates were changed they have no idea about how much in pain they are going to be

 

[Tameem]

You have no proof of that ME(which always supported Nawaz btw except for during Musharaf rule) this scandal was exposed not by Pakistanis or by army
Be it USA or Pakistan or any other country when court resists corrupt regimes its paid dishonest touts lash out against the courts

I think, you just close your eyes from Post Number 2 on this thread and moves on towards 3rd directly.
Even Ordinary folks on the streets knows that this is all not on Corruption but on Authority.
Just one sincere advice; Do Oppose, its your right but by hating Nawaz Sharif & PMLN you does Dis-service to only yourself no one else.

 

[ziaulislam]

I think, you just close your eyes from Post Number 2 on this thread and moves on towards 3rd directly.
Even Ordinary folks on the streets knows that this is all not on Corruption but on Authority.
Just one sincere advice; Do Oppose, its your right but by hating Nawaz Sharif & PMLN you does Dis-service to only yourself no one else.

reasons dont matter we have a crisis and solution is not simple because our public loves nawaz..i personally think talal sahab idea is right and we require to strip judiciary powers

Add an option "send shareefs to jail where they truly belong" and then i will vote

people will not allow it

Again, you are turning towards optics; Corruption, which by yourself admits does by everyone from a street cobbler to a security colonel. This is not the issue for ordinary public which are more wise and see things beyond mirrors. Establishment with IK&Co drumming it past 8 years from all rooftops and see where they ending up finally....Lodhran.

The Issue, my dear Zia here is "Authority". PMLN asking of it to exercise independently what its given in the Pakistani Constitution and denied by the ME continously for past 70 years to civilians. This cannot be more simple from that.

no body has taken authority from PMLN, isnt it still ruling pakistan
question is corruption cases by NAB

problem is 1973 constitution, it should give immunity to all politicians and our problem will be solved..because honestly why would someone become poltican if corruption is not allowed

the "why" here doesnt matter? isnt this what nawaz was saying when PPPP was at receiving end

 

[Tameem]

reasons dont matter we have a crisis and solution is not simple because our public loves nawaz..i personally think talal sahab idea is right and we require to strip judiciary powers

Me, Personally thinks Establishment Job is very important in every developed country there are powers above all political chess board, who get things around from behind, i admit. What we ordinary PMLN voter just wants is a "Balance" like all developed democracies.

people will not allow it

No, I as a sane PMLN supporter welcomes it...believes me, I know how helpful it will be for the longer run.