What is possibility of Modi triggering 3rd war with Pakistan?

[Echo_419]

That's why you need to improve your internal stability. So that outsiders can't meddle in your internal affairs.

That's the best thing you can ever do for your own national security.

To Mainstream
How about destabilizing Neighbors

 

[Kompromat]

What about Pakistan? Why are you not answering it?

Kashmir belongs to the Kashmiri people be it the Indian controlled Kashmir or the Pakistani controlled Kashmir. I for one wish to see the Kashmiri families united and have their God given right to self determination. If they want a 'United Republic of Kashmir' ,comprising of the ICK and PCK, i will be the first one to support it.

 

[third eye]

Kashmir belongs to the Kashmir people not Indians.

There is no difference between the two.

 

[rafiqali]

India and Pakistan are already locked in a secret but not so secret war.



People need a cause to fight, take the cause away and you have peace. Kashmir is full stop for us, what Indians choose to believe is not our concern.

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@Chinese-Dragon

Only way to create peace between India and Pakistan is that both countries learn and start to live like 'good enemies'.

Which is why Kashmir is a dagger we will always hold to your heart.

Not only to remind you that you could not, and never will get full satisfaction in partition, so that you remain bitter, fixated and reactive rather than a truly free nation - but there is also a deeper reason.

As long as Kashmir remains, the raison de etre of primacy of Army in Pakistan will remain. This has ensured that your civil institutions have slowly but surely withered. Bangladesh was the first consequence of following an Army directed policy. And surely there is more to come on the same road.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Kashmir belongs to the Kashmiri people be it the Indian controlled Kashmir or the Pakistani controlled Kashmir. I for one wish to see the Kashmiri families united and have their God given right to self determination. If they want a 'United Republic of Kashmir' , i will be the first one to support it.

Back to Defense?
Or Khalistan, Seven Sisters, Junagadh, Hyderabad - make up your mind.

 

[janon]

I have studied the Chankyan doctrine myself and i can tell you for a fact that it can be applied to India too, a federation of 80 states. Pakistan is bound together by a singular religion with all Muslim countries around it, while India is fragmented by design , geographically surrounded by enemy states. Be careful what you wish for.

And yet for all that, it is Pakistan that got split into two just 25 years after independence. India has only added more territory. If that should have busted the myth that islam can be a unifying factor and a nation builder, then the present day conflicts in your own country and many muslim countries should awaken you to the reality.

The idea of a nation-state is far more unifying than the idea of any religion. Which is why India holds together as a nation state and has not split into 80 states like Pakistanis keep threatening. That is why all the nation states of Europe and Americas hold together, because national identiy trumps religious one.

India is diverse by design, not fragmented by design. Schoolchildren are taught to sing "Anekta main ekta, yeh hind ki visheshta." - "Unity in diversity, that is India's speciality". Diverse does not mean fragmented, except in the minds of people who think that only people of one religion or one skin color or one language can live together as one. Almost every Indianpatriotic song has a tribute to that idea of unity in diversity.

I can assure you, most Indians on this forum cannot even understand each other's native language, and most of their religious practices (even if they are from the same religion) will be so widely divergent, that the difference between Sunnis and shias seems trivial. And yet you can see how every one of them is passionately defending the idea of India the nation state, as opposed to India a religious entity.

And that is why India the nation state will not disintegrate, despite Pakistanis naively predicting it and proclaiming that it is "fragmented by design". Diverse? Yes. Fragmented? LOL.

 

[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut Dont you think we have wasted 15 pages of bandwidth on discussing a hypothetical question raised by a random guy?

You want to kill my fun..... is there anything more amusing than seeing, Indians and Pakistanis fight each other and that too for free ?

 

[POPS]

Pakistan has changed its threat perception since 2009. Internal threats are now officially classified as TEIR-1, India as TEIR-2.

Pakistan Army's new green book also addressed that aspect, defining the internal instability as a TEIR-1 threat. Recently during the '10th China-Pakistan defense and security consultations' General Khalid Shamim Wayen communicated the threat perception from internal instability, subversive activities being carried out by foreign entities in Pakistan and China. The purpose was to develop a 'mutual understanding' on the new threats facing Pakistan and its friends.

So yes, we are working on it.

well brother to rectify or deal with Tyre 1 you have to take a few steps and that are

1. Abolish fedual and patwari sytem

2.get your economy back on track

3. try to raise standards of education and health and employment

4. try to reign in rouge elemnts and punish them so thers take advice

5.make your people love and respect state and its institutions than opressing them

onli then you after few decades will be able to tackel Tyre 1 we are here since the time of recorded history and we will be here come when you want your welcome

 

[doppelganger]

Which is why Kashmir is a dagger we will always hold to your heart.

Not only to remind you that you could not, and never will get full satisfaction in partition, so that you remain bitter, fixated and reactive rather than a truly free nation - but there is also a deeper reason.

As long as Kashmir remains, the raison de etre of primacy of Army in Pakistan will remain. This has ensured that your civil institutions have slowly but surely withered. Bangladesh was the first consequence of following an Army directed policy. And surely there is more to come on the same road.

I never looked at it quite like this bro. Thank you for pointing that out.

Its brilliant really. And its uniquely Indian.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Pakistan has changed its threat perception since 2009. Internal threats are now officially classified as TEIR-1, India as TEIR-2.

Pakistan Army's new green book also addressed that aspect, defining the internal instability as a TEIR-1 threat. Recently during the '10th China-Pakistan defense and security consultations' General Khalid Shamim Wayen communicated the threat perception from internal instability, subversive activities being carried out by foreign entities in Pakistan and China. The purpose was to develop a 'mutual understanding' on the new threats facing Pakistan and its friends.

So yes, we are working on it.

The way I see it, the Pakistan-India border is really volatile.

I mean China has a lot of diplomatic disputes nowadays (mostly maritime) but none of them involve mass killings of soldiers on both sides, or even beheadings, like what seems to happen a lot on the Kashmir border. In fact there is no cross-border bloodshed at all.

In the worst case scenario, we might get into a naval skirmish with some SE Asian nation. Since they are all maritime disputes, they are inherently limited to naval skirmishes, and not to full-scale war. Our only real chance of a full-scale land-war is with India, since that's our only land-border dispute, and even then it's locked off by the Himalayas.

So one serious troublemaker can easily stir up a lot of trouble and bloodshed on the Pakistan-India border with a simple false-flag attack. Groups/organizations, countries, even powerful individuals looking to make a quick buck on the stock markets.

Or even one guy with an itchy trigger finger. It's better for the whole region if this knife-edge situation can be reduced significantly.

 

[Kompromat]

Back to Defense?
Or Khalistan, Seven Sisters, Junagadh, Hyderabad - make up your mind.

Gas the rest, i'll provide free coal.

 

[rafiqali]

I never looked at it quite like this bro. Thank you for pointing that out.

Its brilliant really. And its uniquely Indian.

Arthshashtra, my friend...its far better than Machiavelli.

 

[janon]

Anyway on topic, only the most foolish people in India would want to go to war with Pakistan. In fact Pakistan army itself must be hoping for a small war with India, to unite their own country. It is in India's best interest to watch from the sidelines as Pakistan battles with Pakistan, while harping on about "freeing" India's Kashmir - a state that lives in more peace than any part of Pakistan.

Pakistanis have only one thing to unite them - no, not islam. The hatred of India, and the desire to hurt India. So why would India want to feed that feeling and help them unite? The only way that Pakistan army can bring all the insurgencies under control, is to go to war with India and have the talibs fight alongside them, rather than against them. Otherwise, their writ in their own country is under threat, and they are completely at a loss about how to deal with the monsters they created.

 

[Kompromat]

The way I see it, the Pakistan-India border is really volatile.

I mean China has a lot of diplomatic disputes nowadays (mostly maritime) but none of them involve mass killings of soldiers on both sides, or even beheadings, like what seems to happen a lot on the Kashmir border. In fact there is no cross-border bloodshed at all.

In the worst case scenario, we might get into a naval skirmish with some SE Asian nation. Since they are all maritime disputes, they are inherently limited to naval skirmishes, and not to full-scale war. Our only real chance of a full-scale land-war is with India, since that's our only land-border dispute, and even then it's locked off by the Himalayas.

So one serious troublemaker can easily stir up a lot of trouble and bloodshed on the Pakistan/India border with a simple false-flag attack. Groups/organizations, countries, even powerful individuals looking to make a quick buck on the stock markets.

Or even one guy with an itchy trigger finger. It's better for the whole region if this knife-edge situation can be reduced significantly.

I understand your concern and i totally agree with you here. However we don't get to pick who comes into power in India, its up to Indian citizens to decide. Should their decision end up in mr Modi starting a war, the consequences will be staggering. Its up to the informed citizens of India [A Nation with some very bright people] to decide what direction they want to lead their nation into.

 

[doppelganger]

The way I see it, the Pakistan-India border is really volatile.

I mean China has a lot of diplomatic disputes nowadays (mostly maritime) but none of them involve mass killings of soldiers on both sides, or even beheadings, like what seems to happen a lot on the Kashmir border. In fact there is no cross-border bloodshed at all.

In the worst case scenario, we might get into a naval skirmish with some SE Asian nation. Since they are all maritime disputes, they are inherently limited to naval skirmishes, and not to full-scale war. Our only real chance of a full-scale land-war is with India, since that's our only land-border dispute, and even then it's locked off by the Himalayas.

So one serious troublemaker can easily stir up a lot of trouble and bloodshed on the Pakistan-India border with a simple false-flag attack. Groups/organizations, countries, even powerful individuals looking to make a quick buck on the stock markets.

Or even one guy with an itchy trigger finger. It's better for the whole region if this knife-edge situation can be reduced significantly.

Do you see our border situation as any less (or more) dangerous than that existing between the two Koreas?

There too you guys are actively involved. Coincidence maybe?