What if Pakistan cuts off all ties with USA?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Not sure what we need from USA ?


We grow own food

• Wheat , Flour , Potatoe, Tomatoes , Mangoes , Watermelon , melon , vegetables , nuts (almonds , walnut all stuff)

We make own textiles

• All kind of clothes and shoes, best clothes , leather jackets

We make all chemicals and concrete

• We can make best homes and buildings

Water comes from Glacier

• Real glacier water

Electronics

• China (LCD, Fridge, Cars, Fans, Oven, Cell Phones , Stereo )
  
• Japan (LCD, Fridge, Cars, Fans, Oven, Cell Phones , Stereo )

What do we need from US ? nothing
We don't use US banks no branches in Pakistan

If due to Civil war , US shut down (God forbid) it will not impact Pakistan


If we shut down US embassy Pakistan will be still there people will continue to do their work and life will keep moving forward

There should be a LAW if your PRESIDENT does not shows his face in our country after more then 2 years (Diplomatic visit) the EMBASSY is automatically shut down


Fruit & Vegetables , etc if not sold to US we can feed our own people have a big feast and lower local costs !!!

• Lost of customer for food products world wide

What is it that US makes that is not available from China or Japan?

 

[CyberForce786]

Go right ahead. No one's stopping you from targeting militants. In fact, the US has been pestering you to do more for that.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1201551

Hit militants, just don't be stupid enough to hit US troops to.

So what was US doing lately....
They are hitting militants who have support from majority of Afghans and oppositely forcing Pakistan to do the same against Haqqanis....

So its fair to hit militants inside Afghanistan by Pakistan Army because they are the murderers of our children's....
Hitting that Mulla Fazlu Group is like (Saanp bhi mar jaye aur laathi bhi na tootay)....

 

[Spring Onion]

How would it effect Pakistan?? If Pakistan shows the middle finger to USA and telsl it to f*** off along with closing the US embassy in Islamabad?


What would happen? Apart from the peanut aid that US occasionally gives what's the worst thing that could happen?
The relationship with US is more of a headache than something beneficial IMO, add to it the chants of DO MORE from Uncle SAM.

Atleast Pakistan would prove to the world that it is a nation with some Self Respect...


Thoughts ???

fk sel-respect. In geo politics there is no such najam sethi walai chirriya called so called gherat.

Pak-US relation is perfectly interest based for both the nations. US cannot work without Pakistan in region and Pakistan cannot join hands with anyone else other than US in the region. Simple as that

 

[Skaði]

It very easy. Treat everybody as crazy and then whittle them down to those who are "uncrazy" like me.

I tried and there's a core group that I like, you included, who I consider high quality and uncrazy. But even being a member who's been here longer then my account suggests, there's too many new members or members I'm not familiar with, especially when I don't typically concern myself with Pakistani affairs and thus have limited exposure to them.

Then there's @Armstrong who's a mix of both!!

Allow me to welcome you to the forum

No need, we've met before:

https://defence.pk/members/technogaianist.170351/

There are two Norwegian girls here on PDF. I've been a member the longest of the two and the other is my "friend", though I hear I've got some competition from a certain Butt.

Because all the U S assets are in a small space---so---basically---it would lose all of them in the first round---. Pakistan has sufficient standoff weapons to create havoc.

Not really. The US isn't stationing strategic assets in Afghanistan itself, assets that would be used against Pakistan in retaliation for any strike against its forces. Heavy bombers, fighter aircraft, naval ships (obviously) - these are currently outside of Afghan space, so an attack against US troops, a hypothetical one, would cause damage to drones and personal and artillery and vehicles, but wouldn't hit anything the US would use to target Pakistani infrastructure.

If you look at the assets the US has in Afghanistan, it's infantry support equipment, with air-support coming from sea based assets like carriers and amphibs, but within Afghanistan itself, it's mostly these:

A great deal of the air-support assets the US was using in Afghanistan were either stationed at bases outside of the country, flying through air-space bought off, or withdrawn from theater years ago.

Have you seen B-1B in Afghanistan lately?

The Scandinavians will melt in Pakistan's warm weather !

You forget Armstrong, we bring the snow with us.

Here's an actual photo of the Norwegian Army:

I believe he's saying, "bring it, b*tch"

 

[M.SAAD]

Hi,

Allow me to welcome you to the forum---. It won't be simple as that---.

The distance is very short between the u s bases in afg and pakistan---so if paf took the initiative---it would succeed.

Because all the U S assets are in a small space---so---basically---it would lose all of them in the first round---. Pakistan has sufficient standoff weapons to create havoc.

Now the rataliation by the U S is not going to so simple----pakistan's nuc strike----what if they target the oilfields and other infra structure in the gulf----.

You guys talk BIG but have no clue what the consequences will be on your economy.

You are all talk-----Let me give you my first hand experience---when the reactor melted in Japan---and the news brought fear of radiation and radiation material tot he west coast----california was in a mild shock----.

The car sales business almost came to an abrupt stop for one day----. The car sales business is the pulse of the U S economy----if the business is booming---U S is doing good---if it is not---there are issues.

So---there may not be a retaliatory strike by the U S---it might have to lick its wounds and fight for another day---.

Because the world will come to an end as we know of it---and if that is what you have been taught in your military class----tell them and american car salesman told you otherwise---.

So---basically---pakistan may get away scott free----.

Now that I have written this piece---would there be a knock on my door---or would I be pulled aside on the street while driving!!!!

So you actually think we can strike the US base in Afghanistan?



Don't you think they have latest radars or surveillance system installed there which would detect Pak F-16's and and their anti aircraft system would blow Pak planes into pieces in the air alone ???

You know quite well that you can export one thing to this world and no one wants that.

As if we want anymore Kulbhushan yadav's from your side ..

 

[zeeshan Saadiq Khan]

I am at loss to understand that if Pakistan is a mere David pitted against the mighty Indian goliath then why are they always trying to sabotage the arms purchases of Pakistan and transfer of military hard Ware to her.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Armstrong please tell me not all Pakistani's are as stupid as this. I seriously hope this individual is joking, because the consequences of attacking NATO and the US directly is catastrophic at best.

I can already see the Tomahawks flattening Islamabad:

The Pakistani Navy sunk in port:

And JF-17s and F-16s grounded because they never got off the ground before being blown to pieces by the USAF and USN:

We're not, Love.

But let me tell you something. In case of any NATO misadventure, Your pretty Europe won't remain so pretty after we're done with it.

But lets not talk this way. After all, Uncle Sam and us are allies.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I am at loss to understand that if Pakistan is a mere David pitted against the mighty Indian goliath then why are they always trying to sabotage the arms purchases of Pakistan and transfer of military hard Ware to her.

The F 16s were stopped by USA because of Your Help to Afghan Taliban
and haqqani network ; India did not do anything

But let me tell you something. In case of any NATO misadventure, Your pretty Europe won't remain so pretty after we're done with it.

SO NATO will allow you to Nuke Europe

So---basically---pakistan may get away scott free----.

Are you Serious

Forget about Nuclear attacks; just attack Bagram Base in Afghanistan with F 16s -- and see the result

 

[Skaði]

But let me tell you something. In case of any NATO misadventure, Your pretty Europe won't remain so pretty after we're done with it.

Are you going to nuke Europe. May or may not come as a surprise to you, but...

Europe's prepared. You're missiles aren't our concern, Russia ones are. Nor are your missiles particularly sophisticated compared to the threats ours face from regional threats or train against.

But we have ABM defenses in place, being put in place and constantly evolving to meet emerging threats. SM-3, THAAD, Aegis Ashore, Aster 30, Patriot for low-level defense, there's a lot here and a lot more coming.

SO NATO will allow you to Nuke Europe

We've plenty of assets to deal with such problems. Bravado aside.

...

*I'm deleting my first post. I misread the tone of the member I quoted. Apologies to @M.SAAD .

And you seem to be underestimating my powers !

Do wear that suit while clubbing? Nice! Goes well with the helmet.

So, if I dress as a stormtrooper and you like that, wanna go clubbing? Or how about an Ewok?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Not sure what we need from USA ?


We grow own food

• Wheat , Flour , Potatoe, Tomatoes , Mangoes , Watermelon , melon , vegetables , nuts (almonds , walnut all stuff)

We make own textiles

• All kind of clothes and shoes, best clothes , leather jackets

We make all chemicals and concrete

• We can make best homes and buildings

Water comes from Glacier

• Real glacier water

Electronics

• China (LCD, Fridge, Cars, Fans, Oven, Cell Phones , Stereo )
  
• Japan (LCD, Fridge, Cars, Fans, Oven, Cell Phones , Stereo )

What do we need from US ? nothing
We don't use US banks no branches in Pakistan

If due to Civil war , US shut down (God forbid) it will not impact Pakistan


If we shut down US embassy Pakistan will be still there people will continue to do their work and life will keep moving forward

There should be a LAW if your PRESIDENT does not shows his face in our country after more then 2 years (Diplomatic visit) the EMBASSY is automatically shut down


Fruit & Vegetables , etc if not sold to US we can feed our own people have a big feast and lower local costs !!!

• Lost of customer for food products world wide

What is it that US makes that is not available from China or Japan?

IMF / WB / ADB Loans will stop

All International Banking transactions will Stop ( Like it happened to IRAN )

Your forex reserves are just 21 Billion

Iran had nearly 100 Billion YET it gave up its Nuclear program JUST to survive

Once Trade and economic sanctions are imposed ; and a Naval Blockade is put in place
Pakistani economy will collapse in One month

 

[CyberForce786]

Let me apologize if I have upset you.

You don't just do things because you 'want'. There are great issue at stake, as many others here have pointed out.

No need to apologize bro....

Something is always at stake, even the US has lots of thing at stake in Afghanistan....
And Afghanistan is right next to us....
Blocking of NATO supply line is not very old story....
Daring steps or challenging decisions are mandatory things to survive....

 

[That Guy]

no impact

Massive impact, currently the US is Pakistan's second largest trade partner (in favor of Pakistan), and Pakistan's military heavily relies upon US systems, replacing them all would cost Pakistan tens of billions.

Cutting off ties with the US, the sole global superpower, would be disastrous.

Keep in mind, Pakistan kept decent relations with the USSR, even as they were indirectly at war with each other during the Soviet-Afghan war.

[Edit]: Pakistan-US relations shouldn't be solely defined by aid and Afghanistan, that is why the McCain bill delinks Afghanistan and Pakistan, even as it puts restrictions on Pakistan because of HQN.

Both sides realize that relations are far bigger and more important than one single nation's concerns. Even as relations deteriorate, relations must and will remain intact.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There are plenty of customers that want food products , our own market needs food at lower prices

Food products are needed by all countries of world

It is just one country , there are other folks who need food products world wide
if no customer is found , donate free food and vegetables to Pakistani families on Thursday !!!

Call it Feast Day every week donate free basket of food to local Pakistanis

 

[Armstrong]

Do wear that suit while clubbing? Nice! Goes well with the helmet.

So, if I dress as a stormtrooper and you like that, wanna go clubbing? Or how about an Ewok?

I dunno I'm a bit scared of you !

I asked Freyja to give you a peck on the cheek from me and she said that when she tried you growled at her !

Besides I can't really go clubbing with you....the moves you pull off....I don't wanna play second fiddle to a Norge Beauty....I am...always have been...and always will be the life of every party !

 

[CyberForce786]

IMF / WB / ADB Loans will stop

All International Banking transactions will Stop ( Like it happened to IRAN )

Your forex reserves are just 21 Billion

Iran had nearly 100 Billion YET it gave up its Nuclear program JUST to survive

Once Trade sanctions are imposed ; and a Naval Blockade is put in place
Pakistani economy will collapse in One month

We face this evergreen sanction topi drama before and survived....

Nothing new....