What if Pakistan and China declare war against India today?

[Novice09]

Its my Birthday

R u Bangladesh???

 

[El Sidd]

R u Bangladesh???

Are you not?

 

[Kuru]

None

This is Pakistan’s age-old demand. Stop twisting our position. It’s well known.

Then why arent you completing the UN pre-conditions for the plebiscite to take place ? Why are you scared of the plebiscite?

 

[My-Analogous]

The Indian military will go on full alert and will deploy troops, tanks and missiles closer to the Chinese border in Arunachal Pradesh, Aksai Chin and Ladakh region. The vast flat valleys along the mountain ranges in the Ladakh area will allow for armored movement by both sides across the border.

The Chinese Air force in the Tibet region will launch airstrikes against Indian troops along the McMohan line- Arunachal Pradesh/ Zangnan- Aksai Chin area. Also, a contingent of Chinese fleets would deploy to the Greater Indian Ocean to confront the Indian Navy which may attempt to block Chinese oil supplies from entering the Strait of Malacca. China would utilize a large fleet of frigates, destroyers, and submarines due to the vast Indian Ocean.

The Militaries of U.S., Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam and South Korea will go on high alert, to match the posture of the Chinese armies. If Chinese missiles hit Japan or South Korea, expect both countries and the United States to retaliate in kind.



Russia may do the following:

• If it sides with India, its strategic and economic partner, then China will be surrounded from all possible sides, clearly not a desirable position.
• If it sides with Beijing, India will ally with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines and South Korea; with the support of US Military Power.

Russia would stay out of the fight but will undermine China. Russia already has pending border issues with China and is quite aware that if China defeats India, Russia itself could be the future target.

Chinese Navy v/s. Indian Navy

The U.S. military will go on full alert in Japan, South Korea, the Persian Gulf, Guam and Diego Garcia. U.S. spy satellites will be monitoring nuclear silos in China, India, North Korea, possibly Russia and Pakistan. The U.S. will support India in the conflict by blockading the Strait of Malacca with its aircraft carriers, submarines, and destroyers; thereby obstructing China’s oil supplies.

The response of the Chinese will be to send its frigates, destroyers, conventional diesel-electric submarines and nuclear-powered attack submarines to the Indian Ocean where it would be vulnerable to the U.S. and Indian Missile Batteries. Military pressure on China would mount as it combats the U.S. and India in the Indian Ocean and the U.S., Japan, and South Korea in the Pacific – South China & East China Sea region. China will be fighting on two fronts.

Indian Navy’s 2 Carrier Battle Groups will pose a serious offensive threat to the surface fleet of both the Pakistan and Chinese navies. A naval blockade of India is unthinkable since this will bring the entire surface fleet of the PLAN and PN within strike range of shore based bombers and strike aircraft of the Indian Navy and air force. Unlike the US Navy or even the Royal Navy, PLAN lacks the air support firepower (no.of air craft carriers and their ability 2 withstand in the Indian Ocean) needed to protect its fleet from offensive ground based air operations.

India has a very strategic position in the global oil flow. East Asia’s oil pass through India. At the start of any major war, India could throttle China’s oil supplies and merchandise exports. India could also use its ally Iran at the head of Hormuz and South East Asian allies around Malacca to further the blockade.

Chinese Airforce v/s. Indian Airforce

That brings us to the role of Air Forces where PLAAF has a distinct advantage at least on paper. With 3000+ combat aircraft supported by mid-air refuellers the PLAAF is a force to content with. However apart from 250+ SU30MKK’s, 200+ Su-27s and 200+ JF-17’s rest of these aircraft are vintage Chinese variants of MiG 19 and MiG 21s. In the context of Sino-Indian conflict China has primarily 6 airbases to launch strike aircraft from. However, all of these have altitudes in excess of 4000 ft, which means the strike aircraft taking off will be carrying lesser payload. A PLAAF Su-30MKK for example will take off with 6 AA missiles rather than 8.

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All IAF airbases bordering China primarily those in Bareilly, Tezpur, Hindon and Bagdodra all at near sea level allowing Indian Su30MKI to takeoff at full payload. IAF has reserved most of the 150+ modern Su30MKI ( a more lethal aircraft than Su30MKK due to superior Radar and electronics) for the Sino border, while 300+ modernized MiG 21, MiG 27’s,MiG 29 and Jaguar’s can take care of the PAF. In addition the IAF has 50+ Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft which have superb ground combat and electronic capabilities and these may be used for the Sino border too.

On top of this the IAF has a force multiplier than neither PAF or PLAAF have, i.e. AWACS. Apart from Israel, IAF is the only asian airforce with Phalcon AWACS mounted in IL-76 platforms. This gives IAF the capability to look 1500 kms deep inside Chinese and Pakistan territories while flying in safe Indian air space. IAF will be aware of every PLAAF and PAF as soon as it takes off, given sufficient time for action. This is a serious issue for both PAF and PLAAF, and taking down the Phalcon’s should figure top in their air battle strategy.

The news media around the world will broadcast the conflict. They will be a global protest to end the war.

The stock markets around the world will tumble very hard. Oil prices skyrocket as the Indian Ocean and the Strait of Malacca, the busiest oil shipping route, is blocked off; Gold prices will skyrocket, the Chinese and American currency will fall hard, and inflation will swell.

The UN Security Council will convene an emergency session within days. Russia will lead the efforts to end the war. The U.S would blame China for the conflict and may threaten weapons supplies to Taiwan and support Taiwan’s declaration of independence.

European NATO members have learned their lessons in World War 1&2 . Thus would not intervene during the war.

As the war drags on, China will use its land and sea-based missiles on Indian cities and troops & against U.S. targets in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific. China will also target U.S installations in Japan and possibly Tokyo. India and U.S. will target Chinese cities as well.

Pakistan will be tempted to join China as Indian towns suffer significant damages. Pakistan will hope this will enable them to take over Kashmir finally.

In the plain desert of western India Pakistan’s 1900+ tanks will be met by India’s 3000+ tanks and its .5 million troop army by units of the Indian army backed by the para military BSF (with estimated 300K troops meant for the Pakistan border only).

With China facing India in Ladakh, the United States in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific, plus other rivalries (Japan, Vietnam South Korea) and neutral Russia; China and Pakistan may be tempted to use nuclear weapons. If they use nuclear weapons, the U.S, Russia, France, and U.K. will respond in Kind. If this scenario occurs, well good luck to humanity.

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India will also get involved in China’s autonomous regions: Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang and Tibet.

India has the powers to foment trouble given a huge domestic Muslim and Buddhist population. India could also use its traditional links with Mongolia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Japan to encircle China in a covert war. Chinese society is precariously balanced especially when it comes to the non-Han minority and given all the economic tensions in the fast growing nation, it is easy to set the cat among the pigeons. In the same way, China could also do it in India, although with a little less success.

All three countries have ballistic missiles and each one can hit every corner of each other with nuclear weapons. So this will probably be the last resort. However, here too the Indian’s posses a potential lethal edge that not many are aware off.

The Indian research arm for ballistic missiles has consistently demonstrated the accuracy of its anti-ballistic missile system, where in 3 trials it has demonstrated critical success. What is even more remarkable that inbound missiles were also hit in exo-atmosphere, a capability known only with the US. Of course what helps the Indian is the Green Pine radar that US and Israel shipped to India in a low key event. If the anti ballistic missile system does work, rendering Chinese and Pakistani ballistic missiles useless it gives India an edge that the attacking neighboring can’t match. Note PLA only has a demonstrated capability to blow satellites which was widely publicized. However, satellites have a known trajectory and it is relatively very simple to blow them up without using sophisticated radars.

In a week, it will be clear to everyone that it makes little sense for China to attack India (other than in isolated border skirmishes). The two countries are separated by enormous natural obstacles, don’t have the ability to move a lot of troops and supplies abroad, but have a lot of weapons useful for defense, including active anti-ballistic defense programs. In other words, offensive operations won’t accomplish much.

Given the enormous damage caused to the economy with every day of a freshly declared war, China will either call it off quickly or clarify that it did not intend to start a full-scale war. In the meantime, cyber-warfare will intensify.

Consequences – With Nuclear weapons

• India’s Nuclear weapons will destroy Pakistan
• A third of China mainly in the west devastated
• New Delhi, Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo destroyed
• Total casualty: 300 million dead.

Consequences – Without Nuclear Weapons

• China’s economy will suffer; revolt will start in Tibet and Hong Kong leading to its breakdown like USSR.
• The PLAN Naval strength will be significantly diminished and so would be China’s claims in South China and the East China Sea.
• India’s economy will suffer worse than China, especially in North East India.
• The United States will be victorious. No China to challenge them economically or militarily in the long run.
• Taiwan will declare independence knowing that Beijing won’t respond.
• Finally, they will be a global economic depression.

Fortunately, all parties are fully aware of the consequences and will avoid war at any cost.



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One Question, Why US will support India when she knows that If China and India both suffers then they need at least 100 years to develop to current level and What India do without US to China and Pakistan both?

 

[El Sidd]

One Question, Why US will support India when she knows that If China and India both suffers then they need at least 100 years to develop to current level and What India do without US to China and Pakistan both?

Because indians think so

 

[lit_soldier]

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Its my Birthday

Wah Happy birthday in advance.

 

[El Sidd]

Wah Happy birthday in advance.

Thanks

 

[xyxmt]

If Pakistan and China declare war against India without any reason or provocation from the Indian side, the world will rightfully see Pakistan and China as the aggressors. That much is true even if India attacks Pakistan without provocation or cause.

without any reason?? without provocation??
I think you dont read/watch Indian news media, weekly chest thumping and threatening statements from your politicians and generals are enough for a country to declare pre-emptive war on you....good thing going for you is that no one in the world believes a word your politicians say

 

[Jaanbaz]

There is literally nothing negative happening in this synopsis to India.

US will betray India like it did Pakistan in 1971, as war with China is too costly and doomed to failure.

Russia will support with China, and both of them will side with Pakistan according to current geopolitics.

China will take pieces of India, Pakistan will take Kashmir, Khalistan will become independent, and India will split into mini-states by itself.

War cannot go nuclear due to the nuclear capability of all three.

Give this Nigerian a student visa already. The

There will never be any Khalistan. Indian Police is probably enough for the Khalistani ''freedom fighters''. Also stop supporting these Sikh terrorist, they treated Punjabi Muslims as slaves, destroyed mosques and massacred villages of Muslims during their short lived reign of terror they like to call empire.

 

[Corona]

That’s quite a big risk you are taking. Take a lesson from 1971 Pakistan, West are backstabbers.

Russians and Chinese are much more loyal allies.

There is one solution: Make peace with Pakistan and China, resolve Kashmir through UN plebiscite, grant equal human and religious rights to Indian Muslims, back off from your alliance with a Israel.

India will have no problems.

1971 was quite an interesting scenario. Pakistan's fight was not with India originally, but it did conduct those preemptive airstrikes in Indian territory and immediately became the aggressor in international eyes. I would say the rest of the world was caught in the middle of not wanting a war but wanting a solution to the Bangladeshi crisis. Besides, the US did try it's best to pressure India without being directly involved. Another point, China was allies with Pakistan at that time if I'm not mistaken. What makes you think they'll help you now if they didn't then?

About your solutions,

• I'm all for being friends with Pakistan and China once we put our differences aside.
• I'm all for solving the Kashmir issue and giving those poor Kashmiris some respite from all the wars. But peace cannot come by simply giving away territory, India will never do that. If we can find a solution on equal terms where everybody comes out as winners, it'll have my support.
• Muslims have equal civil and religious rights as do all citizens in India, it was cemented in the constitution.
• What has Israel got to do with any of this? Israel is not involved with India-Pakistan disputes nor are they involved in Kashmir. We will not break our alliance with Israel simply cause you have a grudge against them.

without any reason?? without provocation??
I think you dont read/watch Indian news media, weekly chest thumping and threatening statements from your politicians and generals are enough for a country to declare pre-emptive war on you....good thing going for you is that no one in the world believes a word your politicians say

Every country threatens, argues and comments in politics. That's pretty much the core of politics, talking about stuff. Nobody is stupid enough to take the verbal tirade of Indian or Pakistani politicians seriously. Or are you seriously gonna declare war cause somebody hurt your feelings on TV?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Indian arrogance will be its undoing.

Both Pakistan and China are ready for peace and downscaling on borders, but war hysteria gives Modi votes and reason to kill Indian Muslims.

Israel is important because it’s an illegal settler state build on Palestinian land lacking international support except from US.

Hypocrite India was against British Raj and Sourh African Apartheid, but doing just as much oppression in Kashmir.

Kashmir destiny is for Kashmiris to decide as per UN.

 

[Corona]

Indian arrogance will be its undoing.

Both Pakistan and China are ready for peace and downscaling on borders, but war hysteria gives Modi votes and reason to kill Indian Muslims.

Israel is important because it’s an illegal settler state build on Palestinian land lacking international support except from US.

Hypocrite India was against British Raj and Sourh African Apartheid, but doing just as much oppression in Kashmir.

Kashmir destiny is for Kashmiris to decide as per UN.

Is this in response to my post? I'll assume so.

You think our enmity started when Modi was voted in? Was India, China and Pakistan in a love triangle before that? Believe me, nobody in India or Pakistan needs someone else to tell them to hate each other, and in China's case, they don't really have a vote. If you really want peace, all three of has to work together. Together.

Israel is an entirely different matter and while a solution benefiting Palestine and Israel is needed, we can't solve other's problems without sorting out ours first.
And if you really want peace between India and Pakistan, true peace and not just what we have now, we can't put conditions and threats on it.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We don't hate India. Give Kashmiris freedom to choose their destiny, respect Indian Muslim religious rights, get out of Afghanistan. Besides this we don't give **** about India.

Any ally of Israel is an enemy of the Muslims of the world. Respect your Muslim minority and your secular/democratic guise with which you kept them part of India.

 

[Novice09]

We don't hate India. Give Kashmiris freedom to choose their destiny, respect Indian Muslim religious rights, get out of Afghanistan. Besides this we don't give **** about India.

Any ally of Israel is an enemy of the Muslims of the world. Respect your Muslim minority and your secular/democratic guise with which you kept them part of India.

Rights to muslims, Rights to muslims, Rights to muslims...

Your record is stuck at it and you are not ready to listen or look at facts...

what is the growth rate of minorities in Pakistan... in India MUSLIMS have the highest population growth rate since independence...

We Hindus are ASKING to build a temple on the pious land of Ayodhya where our God was born and his temple was destroyed by Muslim invaders... if India would have been a muslim majority country, they would have demolished the structure as they did during Mugal era... India is secular because of our forefathers who choose to be so...

Now take the example of Muslim nations carved out of India in 1947... most of the religious places have been destroyed... minorities were killed or forced to convert and their population declined... even in Kashmir Valley 200+ temples have been destroyed by them...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Stop killing Muslims over beef, love, hijab, beard and start respecting Muslims. I agree with the UN on this issue. India needs to shape up or Pakistan and other Muslim countries will start increasing the pressure.

Believe me, we can hurt and cripple India very quickly. Wait for our elections.