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What if Hitler Never Declared War on America?

You just repeated what I said: UK and France went out of their own way and declared war on Germany. Their "alliance" with Poland was a disingenuous one because after the war Poland was under soviet occupation and not free.

As for USA, they were already attacking German submarines and supplying Germany's enemies which is blatant violation of neutrality.

Soviets were aggressively posturing themselves against Germany and making demands on Hitler only an enemy would (like demanding the Dardanelles straight, Bulgaria and Romania, both German allies). In this position, faced with a looming threat from America, Hitler had no other choice but to attack Soviet Union.

France and UK alliance with Poland is clear. Hitler did not believe them because he annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia. That is Hitler's problem.

USA has the right to do commerce with any country we like. Who does Hitler think he was messing with ?

Given the state of the Soviet army the chances of Stalin attack was zero. The lowly Finland gave the Soviets a bloody nose.

Hitler keeps misjudging. Eventually he fails.
I never understand what is great about him.

Adolf Hitler was a great leader, I admire the way he lifted the German economy.
We in Pakistan need a strong patriotic leader like Hitler
replace pakistanis with germans. you will have a great economy o_Oo_O
 
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France and UK alliance with Poland is clear.
Im glad we agree that France and Britain declared war on Hitler first, and he only retaliated in self defense.
USA has the right to do commerce with any country we like
Lopsided military assistance in the form of men material & intelligence to one side is not commerce, but a blatant violation of neutrality and thus made America a beligerant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_of_Democracy

Now please stop clutching at straws and brush up on your history.
Given the state of the Soviet army the chances of Stalin attack was zero.
False. Khalkin Gol proved otherwise.
The lowly Finland gave the Soviets a bloody nose.
Again, false. Soviets won the winter war. Their high casualties were due to tactics. Any other army would have crumbled in those freezing temperatures.
I never understand what is great about him.
Don't think too hard, it's not good for your health.
 
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Bah...in movies they amp up the sound like you say. It loses all the warmth that vinyl holds. I always check if there is LP recording somewhere for music I dont have in the format already....it all together a nicer sound for me...because in the small crackles, unsmoothness and bursts you can often hear and sense the age/experience of the generation that produced it!
Very true, and now that you mentioned it, that crackle reminded me of the crackling of a campfire, very natural and pleasant.
 
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Im glad we agree that France and Britain declared war on Hitler first, and he only retaliated in self defense.

Hitler declared war on them by attacking Poland. he was warned.

Lopsided military assistance in the form of men material & intelligence to one side is not commerce, but a blatant violation of neutrality and thus made America a beligerant.

USA has the right to conduct commerce with other independent states. there is nothing nazi germany could do about it.

When USSR supplied India in 1971 war Pakistan did not declare war on the USSR.
Only an idiot will declare war on powers outside your belt class.

Again, false. Soviets won the winter war. Their high casualties were due to tactics. Any other army would have crumbled in those freezing temperatures.

Germany had 5000 casualties against Norway. If the Red Army has 350,000 casualties against lowly Finland why would Hitler be scared of the Red Army ? In my opinion Hitler and German high command thought the Red Army was a bunch of incompetents after seeing the Finnish-Soviet war.
 
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Hitler declared war on them by attacking Poland.
Nope, they declared war on him. It's not his fault they made a shitty alliance with Poland that they could not honor.

Only an idiot will declare war on powers outside your belt class.
So Britain and France were idiots for declaring war on Germany? Excellent. I'm glad we agree.

USA has the right to conduct commerce with other independent states.
Again, lopsided military assistance in the form of men, material & intelligence to one side is not commerce, but a blatant violation of neutrality and thus made America a beligerant.

There is a difference between "commerce" and "arsenal of democracy" (as Roosevelt put it).

I hope you get the memo :-)
Red Army has 350,000 casualties against lowly Finland
Red Army still won that war, and Soviet strategy entails using waves of soldier until the enemy is overwhelmed, so they still achieved their objectives.
why would Hitler be scared of the Red Army ?

Thats like saying why do cops shoot people with knives? It's just a knife.
 
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If I were Hitler I leave Britain alone. Bolster the Atlantic wall. Leave USSR alone. Integrate France, Germany, Italy into Holy Roman empire again. Without America and USSR's manpower, Hitler would have been safe.
 
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The moment Hitler invaded Russia he lost. Russia has several times the population of Germany and they too are high tech.
 
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The moment Hitler invaded Russia he lost. Russia has several times the population of Germany and they too are high tech.
That is not correct. The Third Reich had more than 100 mln citizens in 1941. USSR had 140 mln. More population, but surely not in several times. And in 1942 USSR lost western lands where around 70 mln citizens lived. Of course several millions were evacuated, but still - in 1942 Third Reich had more population, than USSR.
 
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Hitler didn't even declared war on Britain and France. It was the other way around. Germany and Soviet union jointly attacked Poland. While Britain and France Declared war on Germany making the invasion of Poland a reason they however didn't declared war on Soviet union which is still an unanswered question.
 
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He declared or not thats another story
Uncle sam was already involved indirectly it was question of when rather than if .

Aviation , rocket and many industries were pushed by germany and were ahead than whole world if its one on one it would have been a different ball game

We were already involved. We were supplying the UK with weapons, ships and what have you.

i thought US declared war on Japan & Germany after the Pearl Harbour attack.

Correct, but we were already giving aid to the Red Coats. If it wasn't for the aid, the Brits would be speaking German by now. Achtung baby!!

The Bush family were close friends of the Nazi regime... America would have been a natural Allie of germany if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in america.

Stop watching videos and reading from conspiracy theory websites it's screwing your mind dude. :-)

Then the whole of Europe would be socialist and we would won the cold war, not USA.

Yeah and you wouldn't be posting here my friend. You'd be in the Gulags sent by Stalin or whoever his successor is for using a computer. o_O

Adolf Hitler was a great leader, I admire the way he lifted the German economy.
We in Pakistan need a strong patriotic leader like Hitler

And there you go! A Pakistani Neo Nazi!

Given the state of the Soviet army the chances of Stalin attack was zero. The lowly Finland gave the Soviets a bloody nose.

Correct! The officer corps of the Red Army was purged by Stalin.

The moment Hitler invaded Russia he lost. Russia has several times the population of Germany and they too are high tech.

Oh God you are back. I thought that was a lifetime ban!!!
 
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Stop watching videos and reading from conspiracy theory websites it's screwing your mind dude

Here is an article from The Gaurdian Newspaper:
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president


Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington

Sat 25 Sep 2004 18.59 EDTFirst published on Sat 25 Sep 2004 18.59 EDT

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Here is an article from the Washington Times:
Bush bank tied to Nazi funding
By
ASSOCIATED PRESS

President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by the Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) Mr. Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence that Mr. Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Prescott Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Here is an article from Associated Press:

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler
By | Associated Press


President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Continue Reading Below


Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Here is an article from the Huffington Post:
Appeasement Of The Nazis: A History Of The Bush Family
08/31/2006 12:36 PM ET
|
Updated May 25, 2011

"Union Banking Corporation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Union Banking Corporation (UBC) was a banking corporation in the US which was seized, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, during World War II in October 1942. The corporation, of which Prescott Bush, served as Director, and Vice President, was primarily controlled by the Harriman family and was alleged to be a Nazi organization.

Adolf Hitler's financiers, the CLN family, formed UBC to manage investments in America. The US congressional report described Union Bank as an "interlocking trust" with the German Steel Trust. UBC was also involved in raising funds for Germany and illegally transferring aviation fuel technology to the Luftwaffe.

The company was established in August 1924 with George Herbert Walker as president. His son-in-law Prescott Bush, the grandfather of current US President George W. Bush, was on the board of directors from 1934 to 1943 with E. Roland Harriman, H. J. Kouwenhoven, Johann G. Groeninger, Harold D. Pennington, Cornelis Lievense, Ray Morris, and E. S. James.

Prescott Bush and Roland Harriman, both also served as Vice Presidents at investment firm W.A. Harriman & Co, both along with another employee, Knight Woolley, ex-Yale-class-of-1917 from Yale and members of the same exclusive Skull and Bones fraternity. George Walker was employed by Roland's brother W. Averell Harriman to run the business, which had been given him by railroad baron father E.H. Harriman.

A July 31, 1941 New York Herald Tribune front page article about the bank was headlined "Thyssen Has $3,000,000 Cash in New York Vaults"; (Fritz Thyssen was a German steel magnate and one of Hitler's most important Financial backers). This prompted the congressional investigation in which UBC was taken over by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in the fall of 1942. It should also be noted that the younger Bush received his commission as a US Naval pilot before his 19th birthday, having completed a 10 month training course, making him the youngest ever pilot in the navy's history. Moreover, this was before any newspaper articles anent Prescott Bush and the Harriman-Thyssen connection.


Are these all conspiracy sources?? How old are you?
 
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Here is an article from The Gaurdian Newspaper:
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president


Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington

Sat 25 Sep 2004 18.59 EDTFirst published on Sat 25 Sep 2004 18.59 EDT

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Here is an article from the Washington Times:
Bush bank tied to Nazi funding
By
ASSOCIATED PRESS

President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by the Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) Mr. Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence that Mr. Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Prescott Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Here is an article from Associated Press:

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler
By | Associated Press


President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Continue Reading Below


Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Here is an article from the Huffington Post:
Appeasement Of The Nazis: A History Of The Bush Family
08/31/2006 12:36 PM ET
|
Updated May 25, 2011

"Union Banking Corporation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Union Banking Corporation (UBC) was a banking corporation in the US which was seized, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, during World War II in October 1942. The corporation, of which Prescott Bush, served as Director, and Vice President, was primarily controlled by the Harriman family and was alleged to be a Nazi organization.

Adolf Hitler's financiers, the CLN family, formed UBC to manage investments in America. The US congressional report described Union Bank as an "interlocking trust" with the German Steel Trust. UBC was also involved in raising funds for Germany and illegally transferring aviation fuel technology to the Luftwaffe.

The company was established in August 1924 with George Herbert Walker as president. His son-in-law Prescott Bush, the grandfather of current US President George W. Bush, was on the board of directors from 1934 to 1943 with E. Roland Harriman, H. J. Kouwenhoven, Johann G. Groeninger, Harold D. Pennington, Cornelis Lievense, Ray Morris, and E. S. James.

Prescott Bush and Roland Harriman, both also served as Vice Presidents at investment firm W.A. Harriman & Co, both along with another employee, Knight Woolley, ex-Yale-class-of-1917 from Yale and members of the same exclusive Skull and Bones fraternity. George Walker was employed by Roland's brother W. Averell Harriman to run the business, which had been given him by railroad baron father E.H. Harriman.

A July 31, 1941 New York Herald Tribune front page article about the bank was headlined "Thyssen Has $3,000,000 Cash in New York Vaults"; (Fritz Thyssen was a German steel magnate and one of Hitler's most important Financial backers). This prompted the congressional investigation in which UBC was taken over by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in the fall of 1942. It should also be noted that the younger Bush received his commission as a US Naval pilot before his 19th birthday, having completed a 10 month training course, making him the youngest ever pilot in the navy's history. Moreover, this was before any newspaper articles anent Prescott Bush and the Harriman-Thyssen connection.


Are these all conspiracy sources?? How old are you?

Even if everything you say is true it means nothing
 
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