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[Tejas Spokesman]

Anything to further Indian propaganda. I can also selectively quote Western sources, but it won’t prove anything.

Fact: India invaded Pakistan.

Fact: Pakistan successfully repulsed Indian invasion.

Pakistan’s objectives were achieved.

Fact: Pakistan invaded India to gain Kashmir.

Fact: India successfully repelled Pakistan attempts to gain Kashmir.

 

[Lincoln]

Not all.
As per neutral assesment we had lower losses in almost all categories.
Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

• According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[29]–

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

• Former New York Times reporter Arif Jamal wrote in his book Shadow War[13] —

This time, India's victory was nearly total: India accepted cease-fire only after it had occupied 740 square miles, though Pakistan had made marginal gains of 210 square miles of territory. Despite the obvious strength of the Indian wins, both countries claim to have been victorious.

• Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[130] –

The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

• In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[131] Gertjan Dijkink writes –

The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory hadexternal pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

• An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[132] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,

In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

• In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[11] –

India won the war. It held on to the Vale of Kashmir, the prize Pakistan vainly sought. It gained 1,840 km2(710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2(210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2(190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

• Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[133]

Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

• "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[12] –

India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.

• An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[134] –

A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

• English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[135] –

The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

• Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[136] –

Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

• According to the Office of the Historianwithin the U.S Department of State:[137]

Conflict resumed again in early 1965, when Pakistani and Indian forces clashed over disputed territory along the border between the two nations. Hostilities intensified that August when the Pakistani army attempted to take Kashmir by force. The attempt to seize the state was unsuccessful, and the second India-Pakistan War reached a stalemate.

All this for us? Thanks! You didn't have to do this though, you just could have provided the Wikipedia link, it's all there.

-> I have said it again and I will say it again, it's not logical that if there is a clear victor, the agreement will not be advantageous and dictated by the victor, it's simply not logical and it's never been the case in the entire History. Tashkent Declaration alone shows that the war had no victor.

-> Further more, what lacks here is the reliability of this so called 'neutral assessment' by people who weren't there, who speculated based on other numerical 'neutral assessments' such as how much ammunition India had or how much territory India had seized and how much territory Pakistan had seized. If you go to the Wikipedia, you can find the Indian claims for how much aircrafts they destroyed, area they seized, and soldiers they lost and soldiers they killed, now compare it with the so called 'neutral assessments', there is such large variation. What lacks more and what the 'source rich' content of Wikipedia fails to provide is the methodology for assessing and making these claims by these so called 'neutral people'.

But lets forget that, two can play this game.

“The first Indian regiment that found itself face to face with Pakistanis didn’t get clobbered,” said a report in Washington DC, America. “They just turned and ran, leaving all of their equipment, artillery supplies and even extra clothing and supplies behind”.

I have been a journalist now for twenty years, ‘reported American Broadcasting Corporation’s Roy Maloni, “and want to go on record that I have never seen a more confident and victorious group of soldiers than those fighting for Pakistan, right now.

“India is claiming all-out victory. I have not been able to find any trace of it. All I can see are troops, tanks and other war material rolling in a steady towards the front … These Muslims of Pakistan are natural fighters and they ask for no quarter and they give none. In any war, such as the one going on between India and Pakistan right now, the propaganda claims on either side are likely to be startling. But if I have to take bet today, my money would be on the Pakistan side. “

The London Daily Mirror reported, “There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India’s attacking forces came to a dead stop. “During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistani troops.”

“India”, said the London Daily Times “is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces.” In Times reporter Louis Karrer wrote, “Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death“.

Sunday Times London, Sep 19, 1965: “Indian pilots are inferior to Pakistani pilots and Indian officers’ leadership has been generally deplorable. India is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one three to one in size of armed forces.”

Everett G. Martin, General Editor, Newsweek, Sep 20, 1965: “One point particularly noted by military observers is that the Indians in their first advances, the Indians did not use air power effectively to support their troops. In contrast, the Pakistanis, with sophisticated timing, swooped in on Ambala airfield and destroyed some 25 Indian planes just after they had landed and were sitting on the ground out of fuel and powerless to escape (NOTE: PAF has not claimed any IAF aircraft during its attacks on Ambala due to non-availability of concrete evidence of damage in night bombing.)

“By the end of the week, in fact, it was clear that the Pakistanis were more than holding their own. “

Indonesian Herald, Sep 11, 1965: “India’s barbarity is mounting in fury as the Indian army and Air Force, severely mauled, are showing signs of demoralisation. The huge losses suffered by the Indian Armed Forces during the last 12 days of fighting could not be kept from the Indian public and in retaliation, the Indian armed forces are indulging in the most barbaric methods.”

AFP Correspondent, Reporting on Sep 9, 1965: “Pakistani forces thrusting six miles deep into Indian territory the south-east of Lahore have checked the Indian offensive launched on Sep 6 against the capital of West Pakistan.

Pakistani infantry supported by armour and guns were today entrenched six miles east of the Indian border, and well beyond Indian town of Khem Karan, the capture of which last week forced Indian tanks and men to make a hasty retreat.

From Khem Karan, an evergreen village now deserted by its 15,000 people, a 40-mile road leads directly to Amritsar, holy capital of India’s restive Sikhs. And a Pakistani offensive along that road could threaten the rear of Indian forces still facing Lahore from East Punjab.

As I visited Khem Karan today with the first party of newsmen shown into India by Pakistani officers, evidence of the Indians’ hasty withdrawal lay everywhere in the flat dust blown fields. Intact mortars and American made ammunition, much of which was still crated, for 81 and 120 mm mortars, shells for 90 mm tank guns, rifle cartridges in hundred, stacks of fuel in barrel, had been left behind.

India had sent against Lahore one armoured brigade and two infantry divisions. The initial thrust on Sep 6 carried the Indians two and a half miles deep into Pakistan from Khem Karan and the Pakistanis say they were outnumbered six to one.

The Pakistanis pushed the Indians back at the cost of bitter fighting. One Pakistani armoured unit ran into an Indian armoured regiment, the Ninth Royal Deccan Horse… and no shots were spared. I saw two Indian Sherman tanks on the road to Khem Karan blown clean through, one in the rear and one in the front, each by a single Pakistani shell with the dead crew still inside. Indian dead lay unburied in the fields. An Indian border post was riddled with bullets and shells. This is real war, even though Pakistani infantry are now resting at forward posts, with Indians on the defensive and the main action in the air.

Indian British made Canberra’s, Soviet made MiG-21s and French made Mystere and Ouragons constantly swoop, strafe and bomb from a safe altitude, for Pakistani anti-aircraft units are very much on the alert. On the road from Lahore charred trucks lay twisted wrecks, one of them still aflame. It is war run by cool professionals, with every gun and tank well protected by camouflage nets, every trench where it should be, perfect discipline and very high morale.

Almost every Pakistani officer says, “We are not interested in territorial gains, but we are very keen to give the Indians a hard lesson and we won’t stop short of that”.

Let's forget all of this even. Chuck Yeager, a United States Air Force officer, the first to break the sound barrier in a level flight; according to him Pakistan won the 1965 war.

 

[my2cents]

You are clearly misinformed about the conditions of Tashkent declaration. As per the Tashkent declaration were to pull back to PRE CONFLICT LINES, which is pre-August, not back to 1949 line of control. Furthermore, as per the Tashkent declaration; the nations would not interfere in each other's internal affairs. Therefore, India went back on it's agreement in 1971, the more you know.

It is my belief that the Army deemed it okay to send 90,000 soldiers to the then East Pakistan keeping in sight the agreement.

Although 1971 War was, well, a war, I wouldn't call it a 'Real War' because it didn't head on test the resilience of Pakistan like the 1965 War did, and India got its answer from that! One side had 90,000 soldiers while the other had a many times larger army, easier logistic routes, ammunition, multiple resources in their homeland at disposal. It was virtually impossible for Pakistan to wage a war against India from East Pakistan as most of Pakistan's tanks, aircrafts, air bases, stashes and so on were located in West Pakistan. And if you ask me, I think the Independence of Bangladesh was a blessing in disguise, good riddance : )

It is mistaken assumption that the declarations are set in stone. Kashmir being the flash point, we would not take your word for it. Disarming your eastern flank was our main aim in 1971. We did not think east pakistan would become an independent country. But that's what they wanted and we had to acquiesce and the world opinion favored us.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

We Indians wish Pakistan more "victories " like 1965 in future against India.

sure

0:50 onwards

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And if you ask me, I think the Independence of Bangladesh was a blessing in disguise, good riddance : )

It did not make much sense to begin with.

Fact: Pakistan invaded India to gain Kashmir.

Fact: India successfully repelled Pakistan attempts to gain Kashmir.

Alternative facts, Indian pseudo-history strikes again.

Pakistan avoided entering 1962 Indo-China war (the perfect chance to gain Kashmir,) why would we attack 3 years later with less advantages?

1965 war was used by Mujib (lanatullah) to brainwash Bengalis against Kashmiris and Pakistanis, where he publicly stated, "Why should Bengalis fight for them with India?"

Pakistan's military was not prepared for a full scale war, and irregulars also did some of the fighting defending the country, especially in Punjab and Sindh. The same happened in 1971. The whole of Pakistan entered the war to defend and repulse the invaders.

 

[LASER1]

The decision to escalate war along the entire western front saved us Kashmir.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

In 65' my city of Bahawalpur was raided by Indian fighters dropping bombs. Most of their bombings were useless as they were dropping bombs on the fields of the farmers. They had no coordination or idea what they were doing. They did drop a huge bomb in the bazaar of Bahawalpur. This would have caused a lot of damage to the city. A few days before the bharti bombing raid, a tree was dug out and removed from the bazaar. There was a big hole that was dug out. When the bhartis dropped the bomb in our bazaar, they dropped it into the hole of that tree. With the blessings of Allah swt that bomb did not explode even after being dropped into that dug out hole and was later recovered by Pakistan Army. If that bomb had exploded, a lot of people of Bahawalpur and a major part of the city would have been destroyed.

This was narrated to me, by my mother who as a school girl went along with her classmates in school to go see the bomb in the dug out hole in the bazaar.

Bhartis were retards and had no idea what they were doing in 65'. They were purposely trying to bomb civilian populations in retribution, because their armored and infantry divisions were getting their asses kicked.

 

[Trango Towers]

Did you enjoy your tea at Akhnoor club?
Sour grapes.

Wtf????. Now i know you are indian